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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #180 - June 02, 2010, 02:32 AM

    I have a hard time believing the Israeli soldiers would open fire if they were not threatened in any way.
    What could they possibly have to gain from simply flying in and killing a few civilian activists?

    Bukhari 62:142 - Narrated Anas bin Malik:
       The Prophet used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #181 - June 02, 2010, 06:10 AM

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10206802.stm

    "Speaking on their return to Germany, Greece and Turkey on Tuesday, the activists said that commandos had administered electric shocks and beaten passengers during the assault. Israel says its troops acted in self-defence."

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #182 - June 02, 2010, 09:05 AM

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    Anyway, in my more cynical moments I have been known to say that the Nazis shouldn't have started on the Jews, but having started in some ways it's a pity they didn't finish because it would have saved a hell of a lot of shit.

     

     Huh?

    How can you say such an awful thing? Shame on you. 
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #183 - June 02, 2010, 09:37 AM

    I have a well developed sense of cynicism. Wink

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #184 - June 02, 2010, 09:56 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ31KTf3YAk


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY2hkfTgEI

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #185 - June 02, 2010, 10:07 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9p5QT91QYs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td8WsdsY0FY

    Israeli Govt Must realize  that it can not sustain it self people fighting with civil disobedience And it is vital the Religious Islamic Yahoos from Palestine or  from outside Must learn civil disobedience is a far mor powerful weapon than Allah and Allah hoo akbaar shouting

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #186 - June 02, 2010, 10:08 AM

    there is a saying "tell me who are your friends and I tell who you are"

    Jonathan Pollard got caught spying against his country for an ally. been a Jew he acted upon that. money wasn't involved. in this case association plays a roll to identify the motive.
    USA has the justification not to trust the Jews with sensitive information. likely they would do the same.

    when restaurant get blown off by a suicide bomber, what are the chances that it was commited by other than a muslim? I mean we don't want to fall into "guilt be derived solely from association" fallacy.

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #187 - June 02, 2010, 10:22 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AABftkO32S0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUXxLerFsY

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #188 - June 02, 2010, 10:27 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_eSVyRm0IU


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCnYpReTDEk


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJgdzlqXIRQ

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #189 - June 02, 2010, 10:36 AM

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    JERUSALEM: In an unusual step, Israel, which is facing global criticism for attacking an aid flotilla, has said violent incidents in countries like India and Pakistan in the past one month which claimed 500 lives have been "ignored" while it is being condemned for its "unmistakably defensive actions".

    Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman "reminded" the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon that in the past month alone 500 people were killed in various incidents in Thailand, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and India, a Foreign Ministry statement said.

    "While the international community remained silent and passive, and generally ignored the occurences, Israel is being condemned for unmistakably defensive actions," a Foreign Ministry statement quoted Lieberman as saying.


    He is understood to have told Ban that the incident related to Gaza aid flotilla was about the "basic right of Israeli soldiers to defend themselves against an attack by a gang of thugs and terror supporters who had prepared clubs, metal crowbars and knives in advance of confrontation."

    Lieberman expressed "regret" at the behaviour of the international community.

    "All of Israel's proposals to the Turkish government to transfer the humanitarian aid in an orderly manner were rejected by flottila's organisers," Lieberman was quoted as saying.

    He also accused activists participating in the mission of intentionally trying to breach Israel's sovereignty and creating "provocation that would cause bloodshed".

    In an emergency session yesterday, the UN Security Council called for an investigation into Israel's deadly commando raid on ships taking humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip on Monday, condemning the act that resulted in the loss of at least nine lives.

    "... the Security Council resolution is unacceptable and contributes nothing to the promotion of peace and stability in the Middle East," Lieberman said.

    Issues are different Mr. Foreign Minister.  Muslim Robots killing people in in countries like India and Pakistan in the past one month  is ISLAM BASED Brutal acts.,   I hope you are not saying IDF actions are based upon Judaism preachings and the actions of peace activists are Islam based actions.

    Don't Drag Islam in to the STUPIDITY of IDF jumping on to boats...  You can not stop Non-religious civil disobedience in this time and age of mass communication..

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #190 - June 02, 2010, 10:38 AM

    Ok, next question. What if it turns out that the boarding was legal under international law? This isn't a rhetorical question. From what I can gather it's a distinct possibility.


    It would still be the wrong way to handle the situation. They should not have forcibly boarded the ships - especially not at night - maximising fear and confusion.

    Are you telling me you think this was the best way to do this?

    The Israelis cannot possibly have been unaware of the tension and panic that would create - especially amongst pro-Palestinian campaigners/activists who are already deeply suspicious and distrustful of anything the Israelis do.

    The Israelis (and I mean the commanders/politicians) have the greater responsibility for what happened. They are supposed to be the responsible state.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #191 - June 02, 2010, 10:56 AM

    It would still be the wrong way to handle the situation. They should not have forcibly boarded the ships - especially not at night - maximising fear and confusion.

    Yes but everyone on board all of those ships knew perfectly well that they would be boarded at some point anyway. Whether it was done forty miles offshore or four miles offshore may or may not make a difference in terms of legal technicalities, but it makes no difference in any other way.

    You can't seriously think that anyone thought the ships would be permitted to go all the way into Gaza without ever being boarded. That was never going to be on the cards. Even if it had to wait until the ships were within three miles of the Israeli coast they still would have been boarded at some point. If a ship is in your territorial waters and you want to search it you have the right to do this, and if violent resistance if offered you have the right to deal with that.


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    Are you telling me you think this was the best way to do this?

    If you are determined to inspect a ship that is going to pass through your territorial waters, and if there are people on board who are prepared to fight you, then things are going to get nasty sooner or later.

    About the only other thing that I can think of would be to send masses of riot troops onboard all at once so there was no real chance of resistance, but even if they did that it would still be played for max popcorn by the media. There may still have been deaths and almost certainly still would have been injuries. It would still be "Evil Nazi Aggressors Invade Peace Ship" or whatever. "Riot Police Deployed Against Humanitarian Volunteers". Hell, make up your own headline.

    They went onboard at night because they thought everyone would be asleep. In other words, they timed it for when they thought it would cause the least trouble, not the most. Still a huge fuckup but there's no guarantee that doing it in the middle of the day would have been better.


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    The Israelis cannot possibly have been unaware of the tension and panic that would create - especially amongst pro-Palestinian campaigners/activists who are already deeply suspicious and distrustful of anything the Israelis do.

    And every person on board those ships cannot possibly have been unaware of the tension their presence would create, especially amongst IDF personnel who are directly responsible for security and have legitimate concerns about possible arms smuggling and are already deeply suspicious and distrustful of anything the Hamas supporters do.

    It's a big fuck up all round.

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #192 - June 02, 2010, 11:07 AM

    And this?

    The Israelis (and I mean the commanders/politicians) have the greater responsibility for what happened. They are supposed to be the responsible state.

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #193 - June 02, 2010, 11:11 AM

    Yes. That comes down to an error of judgment on their part. They thought they had chosen a good option and it blew up.

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #194 - June 02, 2010, 11:18 AM

    The main mistake seems to have been not sending enough troops initially. That led to the few that hit the deck being overpowered and that led directly to the ones following feeling it was necessary to do something drastic. But then they didn't expect serious resistance, which is why they were sent in only carrying paintball guns and a revolver.

    So, I can already tell you what will happen next time. The boardings will be delayed until there is no question of them being in Israel's jurisdiction, and they will be done with massive numbers. This will, of course, be played for maximum media popcorn and we'll have to see how it goes.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #195 - June 02, 2010, 11:36 AM


    Quote Paloma « Reply #142 on: Today at 01:25:55 »
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    If the pro-Palestinian activists only sincere and honest desire was to bring humanitarian aid to the beleaguered civilian population in the Gaza Strip , they could have sailed to the Israeli port of Ashdod and have unloaded their cargo there. The Israelis had promised to bring the civilian, humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip after having checked it. If the activists did not trust the Israelis, which they assuredly did not, the Egyptians had made the same offer. The activists could unload all the goods in El Arish on the Sinai's coast, and the Egyptians would then bring it to the Palestinians.



    Hassan, why do you think the activist did not accept the Egyptian offer ?

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #196 - June 02, 2010, 11:48 AM

    12 Malaysians among 124 Gaza-aid activists released by Israel (Update 2)  says news

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/6/2/nation/20100602104328&sec=nation



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    PETALING JAYA: The 12 Malaysians who were on board aid ship Mavi Marmara, which was attacked and detained by Israeli forces Monday morning, have been released and are now in Jordan. They include Astro Awani journalist Ashwad Ismail and cameraman Samsulkamal Abdul Latip.

    Malaysian Ambassador to Jordan Datuk Abdul Malek Abdul Aziz said the 12 arrived at 6.30am local time Wednesday


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    Ashwad, 26, relating his experience live from Jordan, said they were exhausted and dehydrated after 28 hours in detention at Beersheba prison.

    He said Israeli naval forces, comprising 19 naval boats, eight naval ships and three Apache helicopters attacked the ship at 4.40am on Monday.

    "We were fully prepared as we had received reports that Israeli forces had expanded their claim on territorial waters from 64km to 108km (off the coast of Gaza).

    "They started to circle us at 11pm. They began advancing at 2am and attacked us from all angles at 4.30am. They attacked us incessantly. Alhamdullillah, our cameraman, Shamsul and I were safe from the assault," he said, adding that the Israelis had used live ammunition.

    Contrary to Israeli defence forces claims in the international media that aid activists had used sharp weapons, Ashwad said they had merely sprayed water from fire hoses to ward off their attackers.

    "I did not see any sharp weapons in the form of knives, parang, sword and so on being used. Volunteers merely used water to stop the commandos from boarding the ship.

    Well this Allah "Alhamdullillah" is a problem my man.. you start there  and start spraying water .. throwing chairs at those IDF guys .. You have a problem in your hand., You are going there as peace activist NOT FIGHT SOLDIERS who have  guns you fool..

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #197 - June 02, 2010, 11:53 AM

    Quote Paloma « Reply #142 on: Today at 01:25:55 »

    Hassan, why do you think the activist did not accept the Egyptian offer ?

     well there is a motive behind that., IT IS NOT JUST TO DISTRIBUTE AID  but to confront Israel and prove the world Palestine Gaza  strip is NOT independent nation.. If it is purely international Aid from peace activists., it doesn't need some 500 people from Turkey along with my men from Allaho hoo Aknbaaar Hamas. Unfortunately these leftists characters  from west fell in to this mess. The approach from these peace activists if it was strictly Aid to poor folks, it should have been different..

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #198 - June 02, 2010, 11:55 AM

    The Israelis (and I mean the commanders/politicians) have the greater responsibility for what happened. They are supposed to be the responsible state.

    What about the responsibility of the organizers for the whole fuck-up?

    But again this is not about appointing the blame at all. It's about a fact that nine lives were sacrificed on a PR stunt altar.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #199 - June 02, 2010, 12:05 PM

    Israel deports aid convoy activists says news

    http://www.herald.ie/breaking-news/world-news/israel-deports-aid-convoy-activists-2204434.html


    Palestinians ride boats amid an Israeli navy vessel patrol as a flotilla of aid ships heads for Gaza (AP)

    Quote
    Israel has begun deporting the bulk of nearly 700 international activists detained during its deadly raid on an aid flotilla bound for Gaza.

    The raid, which ended with Israeli soldiers killing nine activists, has strained diplomatic ties, sending Israeli relations with Turkey in particular to a new low. At least four of the nine killed were Turkish and the ship Israel attacked was Turkish.

    Israel ordered families of its diplomats out of Turkey after Turkish ministers branded the raid a "massacre".

    Egypt eased its blockade of Gaza after the raid and some humanitarian aid has been delivered, including blankets, tents and 13 power generators donated by Russia and Oman. Gaza has been under an Israeli and Egyptian blockade since 2007. Egypt's opening of the border was believed to be temporary, although the government did not say how long it would last.

    Israeli officials said they are aiming to deport all the foreign activists by the end of the day, but there is a possibility some could be held in custody on suspicion of violence against Israeli troops.


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    Some 400 activists, most of them Turkish citizens, were taken to Israel's international airport for flights home by noon on Wednesday.

    An additional 124 activists from a dozen Muslim nations without diplomatic relations with Israel were have also been deported to Jordan. About 100 foreigners remain in a prison in southern Israel.


    Several of the activists deported to Jordan told reporters they were deprived of food, water, sleep and access to toilets in Israeli detention.

    Israel claims some of the passengers on the aid convoy attacked commandos with knives, iron rods, sticks and with two pistols wrested from soldiers. Video released by the Israeli military showed commandos attacked by angry activists with metal rods and firebombs during the raid. One soldier was thrown off one deck onto another below.

    The flotilla was meant to draw attention to the Israeli and Egyptian blockade of Gaza, imposed after Hamas militants violently seized power in June 2007. Israel said the blockade is needed to prevent Hamas, which has fired thousands of rockets into the Jewish state, from building up its arsenal. Critics said the closure has failed to hurt Hamas but has damaged Gaza's already weak economy.

    Turkey has called for an international commission to investigate the deaths on the Gaza aid ship flotilla.


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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #200 - June 02, 2010, 12:10 PM

    What about the responsibility of the organizers for the whole fuck-up?

    But again this is not about appointing the blame at all. It's about a fact that nine lives were sacrificed on a PR stunt altar.


    It would not surprise me if they were rubbing their hands in glee at the successful outcome PR wise.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded

    I wonder if the woman in the video had her wish to become a martyr fulfilled.

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #201 - June 02, 2010, 12:13 PM

    My fair lady Hanin Zoabi, Gaza aid activist  aboard Flotilla  and and a currently serving  member of the Knesset representing the Balad party   says Israeli ships fired before boarding

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1sH_RE4CY0


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      http://www.prisonplanet.com/israeli-knesset-member-israel-wanted-high-number-of-fatalities.html

    A member of the Israeli Knesset, the legislative branch of the Israeli government, who was on board the Marmara ship when it was ambushed by IDF troops, has told reporters that the intention of the raid was to kill as many on board as they could in order to ward off others from attempting to reach Gaza by sea.

    Hanin Zoabi, who currently serves as a member of the Knesset representing the Balad party, made the following comments at a press gathering today:

    “It was clear from the size of the force that boarded the ship that the purpose was not only to stop this sail, but to cause the largest possible number of fatalities in order to stop such initiatives in the future.”

    Zoabi added that the international flotilla to Gaza did not have any intention to cause violence:

    “Our goal was to break the siege. We had no plans for a confrontation. Israel carried out a provocative military operation. Israel is used to doing as it pleases with the Palestinians. The main problem is not the ship, but the siege.”


    Quote
    Zoabi, a Palestinian Arab citizen of Israel, also told the media that she did not hear any warning from the Israeli commandos before they boarded the ship, an account that conflicts with statements from several Israeli government officials.

    “They were dinghies and choppers. At 4:30 am the forces landed quickly. I did not hear any warning from the ships, because noise was coming from the ships and the choppers. Within 10 minutes there were already three bodies. The entire operation took about an hour.” Zoabi said.


    Zoabi described gunshots coming from the Israeli boats toward her direction. While she also claimed that from her vantage point there was no resistance from the activists once the commandoes boarded, video footage has revealed that the troops were attacked with poles. However, the evidence suggests that this was after the fact that they had been fired upon, and sustained fatalities, despite raising a white flag.
    Quote
    “A clear message was being sent to us, for us to know that our lives were in danger. We convened that we were not interested in a confrontation. What we saw was five bodies. There were only civilians and there were no weapons. There was a sense that I may not come out of it alive. Israel spoke of a provocation, but there was no provocation.” Zoabi said.


    Zoabi’s party published a statement saying, “Those who should be questioned are Barak and Netanyahu, who gave the order for an armed takeover in the middle of the sea. Behind this crime are criminals who should be interrogated.”


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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #202 - June 02, 2010, 12:15 PM

    Quote Paloma « Reply #142 on: Today at 01:25:55 »

    Hassan, why do you think the activist did not accept the Egyptian offer ?


    I've never claimed the activists intention was simply humanitarian. They clearly wanted to confront Israel over the blockade.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #203 - June 02, 2010, 12:20 PM

    A german newssite reports, that at least three of the for killed Turkeys where islamists who seeked martyrdom and wanted to be killed.

    http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Mankell-prangert-Israel-an-article901343.html

    UG

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #204 - June 02, 2010, 12:21 PM

    Quote
    A member of the Israeli Knesset, the legislative branch of the Israeli government, who was on board the Marmara ship when it was ambushed by IDF troops, has told reporters that the intention of the raid was to kill as many on board as they could in order to ward off others from attempting to reach Gaza by sea.

    Hanin Zoabi, who currently serves as a member of the Knesset representing the Balad party, made the following comments at a press gathering today:

    “It was clear from the size of the force that boarded the ship that the purpose was not only to stop this sail, but to cause the largest possible number of fatalities in order to stop such initiatives in the future.”

    That has got to be bullshit. If they wanted to kill as many as possible there would have been a lot more bodies. I wouldn't believe a thing she says after that.

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #205 - June 02, 2010, 12:23 PM

    Quote
    I've never claimed the activists intention was simply humanitarian. They clearly wanted to confront Israel over the blockade.

    Confrontation in high seas 100 miles from shore with soldiers is a problem dear Hassan., Confronting Israeli leadership is different from confronting soldiers.

    You don't have fire power, you don't have physical force and you are going as peace activists, So If the soldiers are boarding  the ship shut up and put hands up go wherever they take you. NO ONE FROM THE SHIP SHOULD HAVE LIFTED  A HAND, FINGER  or throw water, chairs .. stones and what not at them..

    These guys who are peace activists are FOOLS., the goal was not those goods but going to GAZA strip to highlight the problem.  Now they lost everything along with not meeting people of Gaza. So they lost the plan and the cause just because few angry idiots acted upon the provocation(if it was there) of IDF..  Now Muslim leadership is acting like fucking HEADLESS CHICKENS and enraging  Muslim crowds with foolish statements in Muslim lands with Allah hoo Akbaaarr chants and strikes and what not..

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #206 - June 02, 2010, 12:28 PM

    What about the responsibility of the organizers for the whole fuck-up?

    But again this is not about appointing the blame at all. It's about a fact that nine lives were sacrificed on a PR stunt altar.


    Again I am not claiming the activists were not being irresponsible.

    I'm saying the state of Israel behaved irresponsibly and unless you consider the state of Israel to be no better than a bunch of irresponsible activists then they must carry the greater share of the blame.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #207 - June 02, 2010, 12:30 PM


    Quote
    Quote
    A member of the Israeli Knesset, the legislative branch of the Israeli government, who was on board the Marmara ship when it was ambushed by IDF troops, has told reporters that the intention of the raid was to kill as many on board as they could in order to ward off others from attempting to reach Gaza by sea.

    Hanin Zoabi, who currently serves as a member of the Knesset representing the Balad party, made the following comments at a press gathering today:

    “It was clear from the size of the force that boarded the ship that the purpose was not only to stop this sail, but to cause the largest possible number of fatalities in order to stop such initiatives in the future.”



    That has got to be bullshit. If they wanted to kill as many as possible there would have been a lot more bodies. I wouldn't believe a thing she says after that.


    Yeah and that is why they went in with paintball guns.

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #208 - June 02, 2010, 12:36 PM

    That has got to be bullshit. If they wanted to kill as many as possible there would have been a lot more bodies. I wouldn't believe a thing she says after that.

    osmanthus you are BAD... but let me give you better BULLSHIT  from this man




    he is MK Ganaim and a member of Knesset  hes says

    Quote
    Knesset Member Masud Ganaim (United Arab List-Ta'al) believes "  should be established and it should include Israel." In an interview to Nazareth-based paper Kul al-Arab, Ganaim presented his opinion of the situation at the end of his first year in Knesset.

     
    "I believe there is an urgent need to return to the Islamic caliphate. I believe this is the most fitting solution to the state of weakness, deterioration and erosion the Arabs and Muslims are suffering from," Ganaim said when asked if, as a devout Muslim, he believes an Islamic regime should be established in "Palestine or the Arab and Islamic homeland."

     
    He said, "We are not necessarily talking about Israel here, but I believe an Islamic caliphate would be in the interest of the Jews themselves, since their golden era was under this caliphate."

     
    In the interview, which was published over the weekend, the Knesset member said, "We believe the Nakba stemmed from the weakening and the collapse of the Islamic body, and we must therefore strengthen the Islamic body."

     
    Of the fate of the State of Israel in such a situation, Ganaim said it would be included in the greater Islamic state. "We are not against the Jews, but against the Zionist movement and its racist ideology. We have no objection to the Jews managing their own matters themselves."

     
    When asked about a possible conflict with Iran, Ganaim clarified that he backs the Iran-Hezbollah-Syria axis. "I am against any aggression and any alliance that does not serve the Arab interest. I support the righteous party. The Iran-Hezbollah-Syria axis represents the line of resistance and intractability, and naturally, I support this axis."

     
    He added, "Hezbollah is the security valve of the residents of Lebanon. Hassan Nasrallah has properly combined the political and religious plan."

    yes that is what we need an  Islamic Caliphate..

    and that is a better bullshit from a member of Israeli parliament

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #209 - June 02, 2010, 12:41 PM

    Again I am not claiming the activists were not being irresponsible.

    I'm saying the state of Israel behaved irresponsibly and unless you consider the state of Israel to be no better than a bunch of irresponsible activists then they must carry the greater share of the blame.

    No..no.no I disagree with you dear Hassan., the moment you say they are  irresponsible activists then there is a probelm to start with. Then the soldiers in high seas(NOT Israel) will act worse than activists.  These soldiers  15 or20 members and the peace activist outnumber them on ship.   So they can not go as irresponsible activists and act irresponsibly

    here the peace activists are at HIGHER MORAL GROUNDS than soldiers..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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