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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #330 - June 04, 2010, 11:08 AM

    Quote
    Clues undermine 'Mavi Marma' innocence
    By JPOST.COM STAFF 04/06/2010

    IDF finds gun-sights, coded plans; commandos were dragged below deck.

    There is evidence pointing to the fact that firearms were thrown overboard by passengers of the Mavi Marmara. Investigators found gun-sights and cartridge-magazines not fitting IDF weapons in a search of the ship, Israel Radio quoted IDF sources reporting Friday morning.

    Coded messages apparently referring to scenarios of soldier-kidnapping and of soldier fatalities were also found on board the ship.

    Some of those aboard the ship recorded messages saying they intended to become shahids (martyrs in the cause of war against the infidels).

    A Reuters report apparently confirms some of the claims of a kidnapping scenario encountered by soldiers in the raid on the Mavi Marmara.

    Andre Abu Khalil, a Lebanese cameraman for Al-Jazeera TV, who was aboard the Mavi Marmara told Reuters some 20 Turkish men tried to prevent the boarding commandos from reaching the wheelhouse and commandeering the ship.

    Using slingshots, metal pipes and bats they initially succeeded in wounding and overpowering four Israeli soldiers and dragging them below decks.

    After about a 10-minute standoff the Israelis opened fire, the man said.

    A mini-hostage-negotiation took place aboard the ship, according to the cameraman. One activist used a megaphone to tell the commandos the four captive soldiers were well and would be released if they provided medical help for wounded passengers. An Israeli Arab MK was said to have mediated in the negotiation, presumably Haneen Zoabi, and the soldiers agreed. The wounded were brought up on deck to be airlifted off the ship.

    http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=177479
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #331 - June 04, 2010, 11:13 AM

    it may look as irrelevant but I believe you will find the connection.

    Quote
    Hamas raids, closes NGO offices
    By KHALED ABU TOAMEH 04/06/2010    

    Outrage in Gaza after group confiscates files, equipment.
      
    Hamas’s security forces on Monday and Tuesday raided the offices of several non-governmental organizations in the Gaza Strip and confiscated equipment and furniture, drawing sharp condemnations from human rights groups.

    The sources said the raids were carried out by agents belonging to Hamas’s Internal Security apparatus without court permission.

    Hamas spokesmen in the Gaza Strip on Thursday refused to comment on the raids.

    After conducting a thorough search of the offices of the organizations, the Hamas security agents confiscated files, documents, computers, fax machines and other equipment.

    The agents also informed the managers and workers of the organizations of the Hamas government’s decision to close them down indefinitely.

    The Gaza-based Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights expressed outrage over the raids and called on the Hamas government to open an investigation.

    Quote
    “Al-Mezan condemns these assaults against NGOs and views them with much concern,”

     the center said.
    Quote
    “Al-Mezan calls on the Gaza government to initiate an investigation into these acts, ensure full respect of the law, and protect the right of NGOs to work freely.”


    According to affidavits given to Al-Mezan by workers at the NGOs, on Monday morning Hamas security agents stormed the NGOs offices in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah.

    The NGOs raid on Monday were: Sharik Youth Institution, Bonat Al-Mustaqbal (Future Builders) Society, the South Society for Women’s Health, and the Women and Children Society.

    The security agents searched the offices and made a list of the equipment and other belongings.

    Later in the day, Hamas policemen returned to the offices of the same NGOs and called the directors by telephone. They confiscated most of the equipment and other items, including computers, faxes, cameras, documents and reports, in addition to the keys to their doors. The security agents informed the directors that their organizations were closed. They did not provide any reasons behind this decision.

    The following day [Tuesday], Hamas security men stormed the offices of another two NGOs, the Palestinian Mini Parliament and the National Reconciliation Committee. They confiscated the keys to their doors and ordered them closed.

    Quote
    “Al-Mezan views these assaults on NGOs and the way they were carried out without any respect for the law with great concern,”

     the center said in a statement.
    Quote
    “Al-Mezan condemns them and questions their timing, which comes amid the outcry against the Israeli crime against the Freedom Flotilla.”


    It said such assaults on NGOs
    Quote
    “violate constitutional rights under Article 26 of the amended Palestinian Basic Law, which provides Palestinians the right to participate in public life, particularly by forming syndicates, unions, institutions, clubs and popular institutions.”


    The UN’s special coordinator for the Middle East peace process, Robert Serry, expressed deep concern over the raids and closure of the NGO offices.

    Quote
    “This targeting of NGOs, including UN partner organizations, is unacceptable, violating accepted norms of a free society and harming the Palestinian people,”

     he said.
    Quote
    “The de facto [Hamas] authorities must cease such repressive steps and allow the re-opening of these civil society institutions without delay.”


    http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=177444
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #332 - June 04, 2010, 12:04 PM

    http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Deported-Activists-Arrive-in-Turkey-95504044.html
    Quote


    Hundreds of activists deported from Israel after a failed attempt to breach the blockade on the Gaza strip have returned to Turkey. The activists received a warm reception on their pre-dawn arrival.  Around 1,000 people gathered at Istanbul's Ataturk airport to greet more than 500 returning activists.  Thousands more celebrated and demonstrated against Israel in the heart of Istanbul.

    The activists were greeted like heroes, and many could not wait to tell their stories to the waiting army of journalists.

    "Twelve or 13 boats attacked us, along with four or five  helicopters," one man said. " They just opened up fire on us.  I heard the captain saying on the VHF radio we are unarmed."

      Off course there is AllahooooooooooAkbaaaar shouting in the video of that link along with Israeli Prime minister speaking ..


    USA: Mourning the Loss of American Furkan Dogan, Killed on Flotilla says the link at   http://globalvoicesonline.org/2010/06/04/usa-mourning-the-loss-of-american-furkan-dogan-killed-on-flotilla/

    So Israel Soldiers  Killed an American kid..



    Quote
    Eight of the people killed were Turkish nationals, the other a nineteen-year-old Turkish-American dual citizen named Furkan Dogan.  Dogan, who is stated to have resided mostly in Turkey, was shot a total of five times, four in the head at close range.

    Jim Buie, an American blogger who resides in Kayseri, Turkey, the same town in which Dogan is from, writes this of his background:

        
    Quote
    Furkan Dogan, the 19-year-old Turkish-American citizen killed by Israeli soldier(s) aboard the flotilla is from Kayseri. It's so difficult to imagine a “terrorist,” the label Israelis put on the activists who joined the flotilla and allegedly attacked the solders — someone sympathetic to Al Qaeda — emerging from this environment. Moderation, prudence and conformity are bywords in the culture here. Kayseri, the hometown of Turkish President Abdullah Gul, has been enormously friendly and welcoming to me, my wife, and son in the eight months we've been here…

        …This young man obviously was a respected member of the community. He was studying at a private high school in Kayseri, similar to the one I teach at, and hoped to become a doctor. He was a neighbor of a student of mine.


    American blogger PoliticalMonkey2010 advocates for the United States to end that relationship:

        
    Quote
    Five bullets?  Five bullets for an unarmed person?  Were these bullets paid for by the USA?  Were these bullets funded by your tax dollars?  Did these bullets have inscribed on them “to our special friends, love the USA”?  Bullets used on American citizens.

        Let me be clear, all of the loss of life on this flotilla is horrific.  No one's life is any greater than another, each of those people who died were somebody’s family and friend. I am focusing on Furkan because he was an American, I am an American, I don’t care where he lived.  He was an American.

        It is time to end our “special relationship” with Israel.  The only thing our relationship with this country does is cost us, it costs American lives, American money, American influence.  If this were a business deal, one would look at it and say, cut it loose, you can’t afford it it any more.  America cannot afford a friend like Israel.

    yes I too agree with that MONKEY.,  America should end relationship with Jews and Muslims., It should build walls around it..

    Any way I more interested in this 19 year old young man I wonder   in Turkey where he spent most of his life., whether he had American Values or ISLAMIC VALUES.. and what did he do on the boat to get shot by IDF SOLDIERS??

    If I was on the boat., we know we were going with AID showing the world The peace group., So some soldiers come on to the board., I would not fight soldiers.

    I would take out my pant and short  stay naked and let the soldiers do whatever they want., off course I  will record every picture and every word of those soldiers to let the world know what they did on that boat..

    Some uneducated foolish TURKEY was in charge that mission whose brain weighs less than chicken brain...   So people die..

    Any way 19 year old young man American Furkan Dogan died on that boat .. May his soul rest in peace., I would like to know more about him and others who lost their lives in this STUPID TRAGEDY..

    and I would Blame this IDIOT, the in-chrge of that mission  going in this mission utterly unprepared..


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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #333 - June 04, 2010, 12:19 PM

    Well Second Aid Ship   Headed Toward Gaza., let us see what happens there..

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/03/second-aid-ship-reportedly-headed-gaza/
    Quote
    A group of pro-Palestinian activists, including a Nobel Peace laureate from Northern Ireland, are aboard an aid ship heading for the Gaza Strip, and they expect to arrive there late Friday or early Saturday despite Israel's insistence that it will not allow any vessel to breach its blockade, according to multiple reports.

    The MV Rachel Corrie, a 1,200-ton converted merchant ship purchased by pro-Palestinian activists, set off Monday from Malta, Reuters reports. The vessel is named after an American woman killed in the Gaza Strip in 2003.

    Meanwhile, Iran pushed for sanctions against Israel and asked that nations sever diplomatic ties with the Jewish state, calling for an international flotilla of hundreds of ships to descend upon Israel's shores.

    "We need to dispatch hundreds of humanitarian vessels to Gaza under the flag of as many countries as possible," Iran's U.N. ambassador, Mohammad Khazaee, said in a statement to the Organization of the Islamic Conference.

    All of the nine activists killed in Monday's raid died from gunshot wounds -- some from close range -- according to initial forensic examinations done in Turkey after the bodies were returned, NTV television reported, citing unidentified medical sources.


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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #334 - June 04, 2010, 12:26 PM

    Gaza flotilla attack: Israeli ambassador to Madrid tries to play down deaths

    Quote
    Israeli ambassador in Madrid provoked outrage this morning by suggesting Spaniards should worry more about the number of people dying on the roads every weekend and less about the nine people killed in his country's raid on the Gaza flotilla.

    Quote
    "Yes, nine people have died. But 155 died in a terrorist attack in India last week. Who cares about that? Have you heard anything about it? Twenty-three Spaniards died on the roads this weekend," Raphael Schutz told El Periódico newspaper.

    An embassy spokesman, Lior Haiat, said comments had been taken out of context and the ambassador had been referring to Spanish media coverage. "Of course we care about any deaths," said Haiat, who claimed the flotilla carried 100 Turkish mercenaries. "Even when they are mercenaries and terrorists."

    In an interview published in Spanish, Schutz compared the Gaza flotilla activists to the radical Islamist train bombers who killed 191 people on Madrid commuter trains in 2004.

    Quote
    "We are talking about people on board [the flotilla] who are connected to al-Qaida," he said when El Periódico's interviewer pointed out that the Madrid attacks had been carried out by al-Qaida-inspired terrorists. "Fifty of the people who left Turkey are known for their connections with Hamas, with al-Qaida. Are these people pacifists?". They hide behind a few Europeans."

     


    Well that is how it goes., each one blaming others..

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #335 - June 04, 2010, 12:31 PM

     Flotilla Passenger Speaks  from London.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2010/jun/03/british-survivor-gaza-aid-floatilla

     Sarah Colborne's account The director of campaigns and operations at the Palestine Solidarity Campaign

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #336 - June 04, 2010, 02:23 PM

    That smoking ygalg  posts this link in ffi
    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?p=112393#p112393

    in which it says

    Quote
    Hamas raids, closes NGO offices   By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Hamas’s security forces on Monday and Tuesday raided the offices of several non-governmental organizations in the Gaza Strip and confiscated equipment and furniture, drawing sharp condemnations from human rights groups.

    The sources said the raids were carried out by agents belonging to Hamas’s Internal Security apparatus without court permission.

    Hamas spokesmen in the Gaza Strip on Thursday refused to comment on the raids.

    After conducting a thorough search of the offices of the organizations, the Hamas security agents confiscated files, documents, computers, fax machines and other equipment.

    The agents also informed the managers and workers of the organizations of the Hamas government’s decision to close them down indefinitely.

    The Gaza-based Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights expressed outrage over the raids and called on the Hamas government to open an investigation.

    “Al-Mezan condemns these assaults against NGOs and views them with much concern,” the center said. “Al-Mezan calls on the Gaza government to initiate aninvestigation into these acts, ensure full respect of the law, and protect the right of NGOs to work freely.”

    According to affidavits given to Al-Mezan by workers at the NGOs, on Monday morning Hamas security agents stormed the NGOs offices in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah.

    The NGOs raid on Monday were: Sharik Youth Institution, Bonat Al-Mustaqbal (Future Builders) Society, the South Society for Women’s Health, and the Women and Children Society.

    The security agents searched the offices and made a list of the equipment and other belongings.

     that I guess comes from this News clip



    Well Hamas do what it does best., and that is get the political power and beat, kill any Muslim guys who oppose them., That is not  anew thing., Now My question to you ygalg is., That picture above ., Is that from Hamas raid on NGOs??


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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #337 - June 04, 2010, 02:28 PM

    I just wanted to double check that news is right..

    UN official condemns Hamas attacks on Gaza NGO's
    Quote
    A high-ranking United Nations official criticised Thursday attacks by the Islamist Hamas movement on Non- Governmental Organization (NGO) institutions in the Gaza Strip, calling them 'unacceptable.'

    'I am deeply concerned at reports from Gaza that Hamas has broken into a number of NGO offices in Gaza City and Rafah in recent days and closed them down, confiscating their materials and equipment in the process,' Robert Serry, UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, said in a statement.

    'This targeting of NGOs, including UN partner organizations, is unacceptable, violating accepted norms of a free society and harming the Palestinian people,' he said.

    Serry called on Hamas, which administers the Gaza Strip, to 'cease such repressive steps and allow the re-opening of these civil society institutions without delay.'

    The institutions targeted include women's and child welfare organizations, and organizations dealing with cultural projects.

    Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip in June 2007 after routing security personnel loyal to the Palestinian Authority and President Mahmoud Abbas' secular Fatah party.

    Since then the organization has been trying to impose stricter adherence to Islam in the salient.

     and that comes from  this link http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1560529.php/UN-official-condemns-Hamas-attacks-on-Gaza-NGO-s 

    I guess UN and Robert Serry, and all other guys are supporting JUICE.. JUICE are everywhere,  Rascals are every where,  controls everything on the Planet ZOO...

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #338 - June 04, 2010, 02:34 PM

    http://www.news24.com/World/News/Hamas-NGO-clampdown-worries-UN-20100603
    Quote
    Gaza - A top UN official voiced concern on Thursday over the closure by the Hamas Islamist rulers of the Gaza Strip of several non-governmental organisations in the Palestinian enclave.

    "This targeting of NGOs, including UN partner organisations, is unacceptable, violating accepted norms of a free society and harming the Palestinian people," Robert Serry, the UN's special co-ordinator for the Middle East peace process, said in a statement.

    The Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) said the offices of six organisations, including care centres for women and children, were raided by members of Hamas's security forces between May 31 and June 1.

    "The de facto authorities must cease such repressive steps and allow the re-opening of these civil society institutions without delay," Serry said.

    Youssef Abu Amra of the Sharek Youth Forum in the southern city of Rafah said Hamas security men gave them no reason for closing the office of his organisation.

    "They just told us the office would be closed and employees should stop all activities," Abu Amra said
    .

    Yes.. yes.. Now Abu Amra should works Hamas.., How many of you guys know what is Hamas and its origin??

     Hamas is a Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah., It means  "Islamic Resistance Movement"  And How many of you know Hamas originates from Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood??..

    Let us read some news from Hamas..

    http://www.qassam.ps/
    http://yesbuthowever.com/gaza-flotilla-hamas-times-9000020/

    http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/archive/2010/05/13/report-hamas-moving-shalit-twice-a-week.aspx

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFeKWlfhklM

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #339 - June 04, 2010, 03:49 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzOWKxN2co

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #340 - June 04, 2010, 03:55 PM

    So what if they attacked the soldiers? The argument is that the act of raiding itself was provocative and they were defending themselves. The use of the word "peace" activists is a spin; no one claimed they were pacifists. Nor is there anything wrong with not being a pacifist when faced with violence.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #341 - June 04, 2010, 04:03 PM

    Gaza - A top UN official voiced concern on Thursday over the closure by the Hamas Islamist rulers of the Gaza Strip of several non-governmental organisations in the Palestinian enclave.

    "This targeting of NGOs, including UN partner organisations, is unacceptable, violating accepted norms of a free society and harming the Palestinian people," Robert Serry, the UN's special co-ordinator for the Middle East peace process, said in a statement.

    The Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) said the offices of six organisations, including care centres for women and children, were raided by members of Hamas's security forces between May 31 and June 1.

    "The de facto authorities must cease such repressive steps and allow the re-opening of these civil society institutions without delay," Serry said.

    Youssef Abu Amra of the Sharek Youth Forum in the southern city of Rafah said Hamas security men gave them no reason for closing the office of his organisation.

    "They just told us the office would be closed and employees should stop all activities," Abu Amra said


    Others have been busy too :



    Quote
    WHO BURNED DOWN THE SUMMER CAMP?

    (No, it wasn’t a rampaging mob of American supporters of Israel on an AIPAC lobbying trip.)

    A UN-run summer camp for Palestinian children was burned to the ground on Sunday and the UN staff threatened with murder. Tens of thousands of Gazan children were due to attend the camp this summer, as they have every summer in recent years.

    This is a rare occasion when the international media did report on Palestinian-on-Palestinian violence, although most downplayed any criticism of Hamas or other Islamists in their reports.

    ***

    “A SUMMER PROGRAM OF ARTS AND SPORT”

    The BBC reported online:

    Masked gunmen have attacked a UN summer camp being set up for children in the Gaza Strip, UN officials say.

    The attackers burned tents and destroyed other equipment after tying up a guard.

    They also left a letter threatening the head of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), John Ging…

    “The armed men torched the camp, which contained recreational equipment and swimming pools, and completely destroyed it,” UNRWA spokesman Abu Hasna told journalists.

    The camp is one of dozens of beach facilities set up by the UN offering a summer programme of arts, sport and other activities for some quarter of a million children in the Gaza Strip…

    ***

    “TEACHING SCHOOLGIRLS DANCING AND IMMORALITY”

    CNN explained that the Islamists of Gaza object to the fact that boys and girls were due to participate in activities together at the camp:

    CNN began its online report: “A U.N.-sponsored summer camp in Gaza was burned Sunday hours before it was due to open, witnesses said, blaming Muslim extremists who apparently object to boys and girls going to camp together.”

    ***

    Reuters also reported:

    “About 20 men, some carrying assault rifles, tore up large plastic tents and burned storage facilities at the site, where tens of thousands of children are due to attend camp sessions…

    “Two days earlier, a previously unknown militant group, The Free of the Homeland, issued a statement criticizing the camp’s organizer, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), for, ‘teaching schoolgirls fitness, dancing and immorality.’”

    ***

    The Al-Jazeera report online adds:

    “Dozens of armed attackers also vandalized bathrooms… and assaulted a guard and tied him up… the men also left a letter with four bullets, threatening the agency’s Gaza director and sending a chilling message to the camp’s organizers.”


    http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001114.html

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #342 - June 04, 2010, 04:06 PM

    So what if they attacked the soldiers? The argument is that the act of raiding itself was provocative and they were defending themselves. The use of the word "peace" activists is a spin; no one claimed they were pacifists. Nor is there anything wrong with not being a pacifist when faced with violence.

    Well, in that case go prepared like these guys

    Quote
      BBC reported online:

    Masked gunmen have attacked a UN summer camp being set up for children in the Gaza Strip, UN officials say.

    The attackers burned tents and destroyed other equipment after tying up a guard.

    They also left a letter threatening the head of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), John Ging…

    , Put some REAL masks on faces and take some real weapons along with some food.  and..and be ready to face IDF.And don't take 80 year old  and 18 month old on ship.  And no point of crying  wolf is killing us ..

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #343 - June 04, 2010, 04:08 PM

    What's wrong with crying wolf is killing us? I do acknowledge that it was at least partly a stunt to publicize Israel's criminal acts, but so what? Israel acted the way it did and deserves all the negative attention it gets. Best way to end the occupation, methinks.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #344 - June 04, 2010, 04:22 PM

    What's wrong with crying wolf is killing us? I do acknowledge that it was at least partly a stunt to publicize Israel's criminal acts, but so what? Israel acted the way it did and deserves all the negative attention it gets. Best way to end the occupation, methinks.

    ah Ha!., then you don't have proper defense as a good man fighting bad Jew., You should not be criminal  to  publicize Jewish criminal acts. .,  yes Best way is to end the occupation, methinks. ., yes that is best way.,   give me the solution .,  And tell me why all those CAMP DAVID talks failed and why KILL JEW  form Quran? .. KILL ISRAEL  from Mosques continue?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc  

    see that., that was the best time had best deal.,  Instead we started Intifada.. The more days you wait  more problems..  Watch more of those 2000 camp David talks

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #345 - June 04, 2010, 04:37 PM

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Well Hamas do what it does best., and that is get the political power and beat, kill any Muslim guys who oppose them., That is not  anew thing., Now My question to you ygalg is., That picture above ., Is that from Hamas raid on NGOs??



    probably
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #346 - June 04, 2010, 04:42 PM

    my guessing, it came as result to Israel approval for international investigation. now if I hit a bullseye. what is the motive? UN investigation under Goldstone have not bothered hamas.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #347 - June 04, 2010, 04:44 PM

    ah Ha!., then you don't have proper defense as a good man fighting bad Jew., You should not be criminal  to  publicize Jewish criminal acts.

    Umm, knowing that you'd be attacked isn't a criminal act.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #348 - June 04, 2010, 04:51 PM

    not all people who are the resident of gaza identified themselves hamas supporters. the takeover created the situation where hamas rules both.

    Exactly.

    Don't forget that Hamas were throwing their fellow Palestinians from the rooftops. While in Egypt I got to know a Palestinian guy from Hebron and he said that life in the West Bank was incomparably better than in Gaza.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #349 - June 04, 2010, 04:53 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtdPoLZr2xQ


    To get accepted by Hamas.. you got to be Jew like this one "Tariq Ali is speaking on him"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtdPoLZr2xQ

    Or This Daughter of Jew..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSJpcUqFq_Y

    Or one has to this JEW

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DabIO_gwRgo


    So Jews from Israel could live  in Israel and in surrounding lands with Hamas ruling  with  Hamas Calipha across those 3 nations namely Israel, Jordan and  Syria, Lebanon to start with
    ., then peace will return to that land.

    There is another solution But Muhammad following Muslims don't like it and will kill that and kill themselves..

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #350 - June 04, 2010, 05:03 PM

    Umm, knowing that you'd be attacked isn't a criminal act.

    No..No that is NOT what happened., it  is not that these guys had that idea or intention., These PEACE guys on that boat  physically confronted trained IDF soldiers  at 4 AM in the dark.

    And IDF guys know well what will happen to them if they capture few soldiers and what will be the consequences

    You see this picture .. what happened to this Israeli Soldier??



    That is rpping apart Israeli soldiers alive--to the cheers of Fatah's patriots beneath the window.

    They show these videos during training., IDF guys are well trained, know well what will happen to them if Real Muslim catch them. So don't act like REAL MUSLIM on the ship at 4 AM.   If i was on the ship and I was in charge,   I would take out my Pants and shirts and ask every one to  stand naked putting few cameras  focused on us and on the soldiers .. Never object them or confront them  coming on to the ship .. BUT TAPE EVERYTHING TO LET THE WORLD SEE what these soldiers are doing to innocent people on these ships..

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #351 - June 04, 2010, 05:16 PM

    Exactly.

    Don't forget that Hamas were throwing their fellow Palestinians from the rooftops. While in Egypt I got to know a Palestinian guy from Hebron and he said that life in the West Bank was incomparably better than in Gaza.

    how could I forget, where it was all over the news. according to source, provided by distinguished member yeezevee. Iran despite has military high tech and satellite in space. the life for the ordinary is far worse than Gaza. so what does it means West Bank was incomparably better than in Gaza? food for thoughts.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #352 - June 04, 2010, 05:26 PM

    I could I forget, where it was all over the news. according to source, provided by distinguished member yeezevee. Iran despite has military high tech and satellite in space. the life for the ordinary is far worse than Gaza. so what does it means West Bank was incomparably better than in Gaza? food for thoughts.

    The guy said after Hamas came to power the situation in Gaza has been getting worse ever since and that right now life in the West Bank is much better than in Gaza. He's pro-PLO and very anti-Hamas so he might be biased but I'm inclined to believe him. What are you thoughts?


    And what does Iran have to do with this? do you mean the standards of living in Gaza are better than in Iran? are you sure? cuz I find it had to believe. Would love to read your thoughts though.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #353 - June 04, 2010, 05:34 PM

    No..No that is NOT what happened., it  is not that these guys had that idea or intention., These PEACE guys on that boat  physically confronted trained IDF soldiers  at 4 AM in the dark.

    Yes, and raiding the boats itself was an attack. So basically they knew they'd be attacked and attacked in self-defense. Nothing wrong with that.

    What would you have done if a bunch of people raided your boat in the middle of the night?
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #354 - June 04, 2010, 05:38 PM

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    Yes, and raiding the boats itself was an attack. So basically they knew they'd be attacked and attacked in self-defense. Nothing wrong with that.

    well No crying around UN and next time don't take 80 year olds and 8 month old on to the boat.

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    What would you have done if a bunch of people raided your boat in the middle of the night?

    That I said  and   have written number of times in this folder and in  many forums.  " What I would have done if I was on the boat".

     Now tricky answer for you dear Abood.. You READ EVERY POST of yeezevee "the JUICE OF JEW" in this thread  to find that. ..lol..

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  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #355 - June 04, 2010, 08:00 PM

    this what it says "Palestinian life expectancy is actually fairly good, higher than Egypt, Turkey or Iran" even better than Egypt and turkey
    is it possible? sums as west bank and Gaza far better. except Gaza deteriorate since Hamas took over.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #356 - June 04, 2010, 08:05 PM

    I believe that cause PA competes with Israel about everything. where other regimes don't obligate themselves.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #357 - June 04, 2010, 08:50 PM

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    well No crying around UN and next time don't take 80 year olds and 8 month old on to the boat.

    Why not, exactly? Like I said, they did absolutely nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with confronting an unjust regime and being prepared for it, nor is there anything wrong with complaining about the injustice of the regime, even if it was known beforehand. Nor is there anything wrong with using whatever was on board as weapons to attack the Israeli soldiers that raided the ship. The soldiers were the offenders; they deserved whatever they got.

    As Norman Finkelstein said in one of the videos I linked to, Israel itself admitted that this is not about security; it's an economic war. Cement has been given as aid to Gaza before this incident and absolutely nothing went wrong.
  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #358 - June 04, 2010, 08:55 PM

    this what it says "Palestinian life expectancy is actually fairly good, higher than Egypt, Turkey or Iran" even better than Egypt and turkey
    is it possible? sums as west bank and Gaza far better. except Gaza deteriorate since Hamas took over.

    Life expectancy is not the sole indicator of quality of life. GDP per capita is a better indicator. Israel has a higher life expectancy than France, Canada, new Zealand, Netherlads, USA, UK, Belgium, and Denmark. Although most people would agree that the standard of living in these countries is better than Israel's.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

  • Re: Isrealis attack Aid Convoy ships
     Reply #359 - June 04, 2010, 08:58 PM

    Why not, exactly? Like I said, they did absolutely nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with confronting an unjust regime and being prepared for it, nor is there anything wrong with complaining about the injustice of the regime, even if it was known beforehand. Nor is there anything wrong with using whatever was on board as weapons to attack the Israeli soldiers that raided the ship. The soldiers were the offenders; they deserved whatever they got.

    As Norman Finkelstein said in one of the videos I linked to, Israel itself admitted that this is not about security; it's an economic war. Cement has been given as aid to Gaza before this incident and absolutely nothing went wrong.

    True. Strictly speaking there is nothing wrong with that.

    It is incredibly stupid and irresponsible though.

    9 people got killed, rememberer?
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