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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #30 - June 02, 2010, 03:11 PM

    Really? If a person wants to bring their partner over from another country, they don't have to get married so that the partner is granted a residence permit?


    That's right, they do not have to get married. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse-apply-who.asp

    They have to show that they are in a real long term relationship... You have to show those things even if you are married. This is supposed to cut down on sham marriages.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #31 - June 02, 2010, 03:13 PM

    And the rules and requirements are exactly the same in Canada for same sex couples (unlike in the USA where same sex couples can not sponsor their partners for immigration).

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #32 - June 02, 2010, 03:55 PM

    I think much good sense has been said in terms of the OP.

    I never was into the whole marriage thing, but when I was much younger it was nice to day dream about the wedding and moving into a new house together  Tongue Such things hold appeal only when you are naive enough to not know what financial responsibilities it all entails!!

    As I moved away from religion, the concept of marriage made less and less sense to me. Now that I am atheist, I find marriage to be quite outdated and unnecessary.
    I never planned on getting hitched EVER, but I shall have to fall victim to it soon  Cry
    Ah well, it's all for a good cause  dance lol  Still wouldn't recommend it though!

  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #33 - June 02, 2010, 04:25 PM

    Thanks for the info, allat and Kenan. It's the proving that the relationship is real that seems a bit tricky to me. I checked on message boards and for the particular EU country I'm considering, some people said that it's preferable to prove that you have been living together for at least two years. That's scary, since my boyfriend and I have lived together a total of 27 days together. I'm not sure if e-mails/chat logs/photos will be considered enough proof :S

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #34 - June 02, 2010, 04:25 PM

    I never planned on getting hitched EVER, but I shall have to fall victim to it soon  Cry

    Here, have some old school PSB.  cool2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHaA1beOwrY

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #35 - June 02, 2010, 04:44 PM

    I know I'm young and I shouldn't really think about marriage per say but I'll be entering my 20s soon and before you know it, I'd want to get married.

    I debate myself from time to time telling myself I'll never get married since most marriages don't last long any ways. I don't want to end up divorced so I just want to avoid it altogether. I felt this way when I was a Muslim as well but I remember hearing from imams and such that marriage is almost mandatory. It's kind of hard to explain it but I'm sure some of you would understand what the imams was saying.

    So now... as an ex muslim, i can marry whoever I want in the future but I actually no for a fact that that man won't be a Muslim. If he's an ex muslim, I'm fine with that... but a Muslim? I don't want to take the chances. I pretty much know that my family will disapprove and all that.

    I don't even have anyone in mind... this is almost just a rant for the mere future. I don't know...


    It's natural to think like that especially if you come from a family where getting married is their top priority.  But like most of the posters here, I think it's best for you to enjoy this time and do whatever you want without having any responsibilities of a relationship, let alone a married one. 

    When I was in my teens I wanted to get married because I  fantasised about the bollywood fairytale wedding (note wedding, not marriage) and as a stupidly religious young girl I was infatuated with the notion of marriage.  Getting proposals at the age of 16 used to make me blush.Tongue  Funny how when I got to that stage I absolutely hated it.  I wasn't as religious and I wasn't willing to be a wife, but  I loved my partner and wanted to move in with him and start my own independent life.  As thinkfree said, we took the best option available to us.  In my eyes the only merit of marriage for me was that I successfully got out of a sticky situation whilst retaining my family. 

    Heh, I remember at one point we contemplated about getting a divorce because what's the point of remaining married when you don't believe in the institution? But decided against it as we are lazy people. Tongue

    I guess once you take out the religion, there isn't much left for marriage, technically anyway.

    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #36 - June 02, 2010, 04:46 PM

    +1

    This.

    Just enjoy your life. You are still young, I think a bit too young to be married (20, 21). I'm 20 and I am not even thinking about marriage yet. I come from a kaafir background, but from my culture, they marry very young as well, so in 2-3 years I will hear "son, why are you not married yet"


    Is this common for most Polish people? I have a Polish friend who is very desperate to get married and she's only 24.  She also says there is some stigma attached to it in her culture, especially as her younger sister is already engaged.   

    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #37 - June 02, 2010, 04:47 PM

    Thanks! I loikes PSB!

    If left to our own devices, bf and I would be quite happy with just a LTR. However, since I want to get back to the UK asap .........................  lipsrsealed

  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #38 - June 02, 2010, 05:37 PM

    I checked on message boards and for the particular EU country I'm considering, some people said that it's preferable to prove that you have been living together for at least two years.

    Bullshit. You guys couldn't have possibly been living together since you come from different countries. What you need to provide is photos, letters and such that prove a true and ongoing relationship. Living with your partner is your right, it's not a privilege.

    You will have to apply for an EU residence permit (which is free of charge since your partner is EU resident) at Finnish embassy in your country of residence, they will book an interview with you to establish that you guys really are in a relationship and you will be given the aforementioned EU residence permit which is usually valid for six months. Once in Finland you will apply for a temporary residence permit (again free of charge; you are exercising your rights here) which is usually valid for  five years and after that you will become a permanent EU resident.

    And they lived happily ever after ...
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #39 - June 02, 2010, 05:41 PM

    Thanks! I loikes PSB!

    If left to our own devices, bf and I would be quite happy with just a LTR. However, since I want to get back to the UK asap .........................  lipsrsealed

    I see what you did there...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed1tv_gCOUA
    Ok, I'll stop the psb-fest. Tongue

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #40 - June 02, 2010, 06:11 PM

    I see what you did there...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed1tv_gCOUA
    Ok, I'll stop the psb-fest. Tongue



    The moosiq thread is dattaway lol

  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #41 - June 03, 2010, 05:10 AM

    Darkeyed9;

    Remember, you are an American Citizen,  make sure you know where your passport is and NEVER let anyone else get their hands on it, especially your parents.  As long as you remain on US soil they cannot force you to get hitched to anyone against your will.  I'm gonna be a little  parrot and echo what others have already said.  Focus on your studies and try to have as much of a good time while you're still young.  Wink


    My future roomie (ex muslimah as well) told me THE EXACT thing but my parents locked up my passport somewhere.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #42 - June 03, 2010, 10:21 AM

    Oh noes...girl, you better find that :(

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #43 - June 03, 2010, 10:37 AM

    Next time they're out of the house, do a thorough search to see if you can find it or if you know where it is, see if you can get your hands on it.  I know it may be difficult but you will thank yourself for making the effort if the time comes when you have to get out of dodge, so to speak.

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #44 - June 03, 2010, 12:06 PM

    Get a new passport. You're a US citizen after all. Should be no problem, right? Apart from costing you money (and how much I don't know).

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #45 - June 03, 2010, 12:14 PM

    Get a new passport. You're a US citizen after all. Should be no problem, right? Apart from costing you money (and how much I don't know).

    Might be worth checking the legal aspects of holding more than one US passport, or reporting one missing and requesting a replacement, etc.

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #46 - June 03, 2010, 08:01 PM

    Maybe we need to start up an ex-Muslim dating website. dance

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6196584/Atheists-have-more-success-at-online-dating.html


    Bullshit. You guys couldn't have possibly been living together since you come from different countries. What you need to provide is photos, letters and such that prove a true and ongoing relationship. Living with your partner is your right, it's not a privilege.

    You will have to apply for an EU residence permit (which is free of charge since your partner is EU resident) at Finnish embassy in your country of residence, they will book an interview with you to establish that you guys really are in a relationship and you will be given the aforementioned EU residence permit which is usually valid for six months. Once in Finland you will apply for a temporary residence permit (again free of charge; you are exercising your rights here) which is usually valid for  five years and after that you will become a permanent EU resident.

    I know you're speaking from personal experience but it's slightly different for non-EU applicants. I think Naerys' BF has to provide a proof of income (tax returns/pay slips) to prove he can support her financially.
    This is how it's done in the UK. An acquaintance of my family had to do this in order to invite his Iranian wife. And from what I hear it's even harder in Denmark. Not sure about Finland though.


    My future roomie (ex muslimah as well) told me THE EXACT thing but my parents locked up my passport somewhere.

    Start looking for it pronto. Getting a new passport to replace a lost one is not as easy as you might think. You'll have to file a police report first. The police are supposed to "investigate" to make sure you haven't sold it to smugglers but in reality all they do is wait a probationary period until they give the report.

    Also, be cautious and hold on to your passport at all times when you visit the UAE. Thankfully you're not a Saudi citizen cuz in Saudi even a dual US/Saudi national has to ask for permission of a Mahram before leaving the country. I don't know if that is the case is in UAE but still be cautious.


    Might be worth checking the legal aspects of holding more than one US passport, or reporting one missing and requesting a replacement, etc.

    Holding more than one passport from the same issuing country is normally illegal. However some countries grant an exemption to their citizens who need to enter both Israel and one of the Arab countries that rejects passports with Israeli stamps. 
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_passport#Countries_that_might_not_accept_passports_which_contain_Israeli_stamps_or_visas

     
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #47 - June 03, 2010, 08:02 PM

    I've already wrote about this in another thread so I'm just gonna cut and paste:
     
    >> "It's still very early and I probably won't think of settling down in the near future. But I do think about it.
    I have been lucky to have parents who accepted my apostasy. But they are Iraqis and expect me to be culturally Muslim.
    Mathematical probabilities tells me there is little chance that I will meet an atheist or an ultra-liberal Muslim of Iraqi background, or even any Arab background. And I don't think my parents will accept the idea of their only son marrying a Westerner, even if she agrees to do a fake conversion. They won't force me or anything but it would most certainly disappoint and hurt them.
    My life is more important than my parents' approval but what makes the whole thing so goddamn complex is that they've always been awesome caring parents who never imposed anything on me, not even their religion. My father has enough dough to retire early, live comfortably, and travel around the world with my mum but in spite of his diabetes and history of heart attacks he still works his ass off to secure a better financial future for me and my sister. And I just don't wanna fuckin hurt him or my mother.

    I also think about the same thing for my sister. She's still a Muslim but a liberal one and I think it's very likely that she will lose her religion sooner or later and be in the same situation as me. What makes it worse for is that she's a girl. And a daughter of Muslim Iraqi parents." <<
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #48 - June 03, 2010, 08:11 PM

    I know you're speaking from personal experience but it's slightly different for non-EU applicants. I think Naerys' BF has to provide a proof of income (tax returns/pay slips) to prove he can support her financially.

    My wife was a non-EU applicant. There are no "EU applicants" for a simple reason that there can be no restrictions in place as far as family members are concerned who happen to be EU nationals.

    And yes, I did have to provide proof of income and proof that I have a place where we can live together.

    But still, according to EU directive (Family Reunion) living with one's partner/spouse is a right and not a privilege and there is very little any bureaucrat could do to prevent that.
    Somebody even took UK government to court over this issue and won.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #49 - June 03, 2010, 08:16 PM

    Holding more than one passport from the same issuing country is normally illegal. However some countries grant an exemption to their citizens who need to enter both Israel and one of the Arab countries that rejects passports with Israeli stamps.  

    Sadly, I'm already aware of this due to work (I deal with customers in the ME, and work involves a fair amount of travel). Managed to avoid going to Israel a few times, not only because I cba to get another passport.  Tongue

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #50 - June 03, 2010, 08:25 PM

    My wife was a non-EU applicant.

    Where's your wife from?

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #51 - June 03, 2010, 08:29 PM

    My future roomie (ex muslimah as well) told me THE EXACT thing but my parents locked up my passport somewhere.

    It infuriates me when parents try to punish you in unfair ways. furious ...as if you are a commodity that belongs to them.
    Once you are an adult, you should be allowed to live your own way.
    My parents are also playing the power game with me, but I have learnt that I can play the game too.  However, I don't want to be seen to be evil, so I am restraining myself and sucking it in for their sake.

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #52 - June 03, 2010, 08:54 PM

    Where's your wife from?

    Wait until 19th.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #53 - June 03, 2010, 08:58 PM

    all is becoming clear Wink

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #54 - June 03, 2010, 09:07 PM

    Should we be worried?
     spacecraft

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #55 - June 03, 2010, 09:10 PM

    Well, I don't know. We are both bipedal primates.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #56 - June 03, 2010, 09:13 PM

    She's a gorilla  mysmilie_977

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #57 - June 03, 2010, 09:19 PM

    We are both bipedal primates.

    I'll try not to hold that against you.

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #58 - June 03, 2010, 09:21 PM

    Do you own a tree house?  What kind of vegetation do you both eat?

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #59 - June 03, 2010, 09:23 PM

     Cheesy
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