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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #60 - June 03, 2010, 09:26 PM

    Do you own a tree house?  What kind of vegetation do you both eat?

    Try to maintain a neutral tone of voice and don't make any sudden movements, I think we might be overexciting it...

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #61 - June 03, 2010, 10:40 PM

    But still, according to EU directive (Family Reunion) living with one's partner/spouse is a right and not a privilege and there is very little any bureaucrat could do to prevent that.
    Somebody even took UK government to court over this issue and won.

    Be that as it may, some EU countries have added certain criteria on top of the EU guidelines. I don't think an unemployed benefit-receiving Brit can bring their spouse from outside the EU. Unless the reason behind unemployment is a permanent disability.

  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #62 - June 03, 2010, 10:48 PM

    Sounds a tad unfair - does he lose his rights on marriage on account of being a lazy oaf?

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #63 - June 03, 2010, 10:55 PM

    I didn't get that !
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #64 - June 03, 2010, 11:11 PM

    gobbledegook fixed!

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #65 - June 03, 2010, 11:13 PM

    Sounds a tad unfair - does he lose his rights on marriage on account of being a lazy oaf?

    I wasn't implying it's unfair.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #66 - June 03, 2010, 11:22 PM

    You think its fair, or was that double negative an error  Huh?

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #67 - June 03, 2010, 11:37 PM

    Yes I think it's fair not to allow an unemployed person with no disability to bring his spouse from oversees. I would rather the government give an option for said spouse to opt out of the welfare system for a specific amount of time in exchange for a residence permit.

    God I sound like a right-winger  Tongue
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #68 - June 03, 2010, 11:55 PM

    Yes I think it's fair not to allow an unemployed person with no disability to bring his spouse from oversees.

    Even if he was in love?

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #69 - June 03, 2010, 11:58 PM

    In a welfare state, yes.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #70 - June 04, 2010, 01:06 AM

    Before leaving fof college, I actually asked them if I can take my passport but they were asking "why? Where will you go? What are you planning to do?" etc. etc.

    And they didn't give it to me. I gave up asking because they thought I was like running away with a boy like always.

    I'll probably make a new one.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #71 - June 04, 2010, 07:20 AM

    My dad keeps all our passports locked up. It's to keep them safe though, he seems a bit paranoid about losing them, which is understandable. I managed to get mine the other week by saying I needed it in order to change the address at my bank (since I'm "moving back home" soon).

    DarkEyed, there will be many times in your life when you will need your passport (such as bank requests, getting jobs, etc). When you decide its time for you to leave, just make up an excuse where you need your passport to actually do something.

    If that fails, then try to steal it. If that fails, then claim you lost it. Try to get your passport number if you end up claiming you lost it, as that will make the process easier. I had to reorder my passport after I lost mine in the mail, I didn't have my passport number either. The process wasn't too bad though, albeit a little tedious.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #72 - June 06, 2010, 02:48 PM

    My passport is in my office  lipsrsealed

    I put it in a drawer after I came back from vacation, just in case.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #73 - June 06, 2010, 05:25 PM

    ^^  Afro
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #74 - June 20, 2010, 01:44 AM

    I know I'm young and I shouldn't really think about marriage per say but I'll be entering my 20s soon and before you know it, I'd want to get married.

    I debate myself from time to time telling myself I'll never get married since most marriages don't last long any ways. I don't want to end up divorced so I just want to avoid it altogether. I felt this way when I was a Muslim as well but I remember hearing from imams and such that marriage is almost mandatory. It's kind of hard to explain it but I'm sure some of you would understand what the imams was saying.

    So now... as an ex muslim, i can marry whoever I want in the future but I actually no for a fact that that man won't be a Muslim. If he's an ex muslim, I'm fine with that... but a Muslim? I don't want to take the chances. I pretty much know that my family will disapprove and all that.

    I don't even have anyone in mind... this is almost just a rant for the mere future. I don't know...


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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #75 - June 20, 2010, 01:57 AM

    My passport just expired 2 months ago, and I have to go oversea next month, I'm such a lazy ass  finmad
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #76 - June 28, 2010, 05:13 AM

    -

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #77 - June 28, 2010, 05:16 AM

    Around 30 is a good age. All depends on the person though.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #78 - June 28, 2010, 05:20 AM

    My parents have sorted out the girl they want my older brother to marry and he's only 2 years older.

    You mean 24?


    Am I too young to be thinking of marriage? I'm 22, but I think I would like to settle and start a family.

    Yes, personally I would say 22 is a rather young age to think about marriage but it depends on the person. The important thing is to not feel pressured to get married because of familial expectations or societal norms. Do it because you want to not because you need to or are expected to.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #79 - June 28, 2010, 05:21 AM

    Hmm, just I would prefer to have kids in my late twenties, so I'm young and have the energy to spend with them. Other than that not sure really why I want to settle so young. Maybe for independance (from parents) and security (as in marriage would make me feel like my partner is less likely to run off so easily with another woman lol) also.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #80 - June 28, 2010, 05:26 AM

    You mean 24?

    Yes, personally I would say 22 is a rather young age to think about marriage but it depends on the person. The important thing is to not feel pressured to get married because of familial expectations or societal norms. Do it because you want to not because you need to or are expected to.


    Yeah I meant 2 years older than me. He's 24, his potential bride is 22.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #81 - June 28, 2010, 07:37 AM

    Hmm, just I would prefer to have kids in my late twenties, so I'm young and have the energy to spend with them. Other than that not sure really why I want to settle so young. Maybe for independance (from parents) and security (as in marriage would make me feel like my partner is less likely to run off so easily with another woman lol) also.


    OK that's how you feel but the argument is silly. No offence.

    If your husband wants to cheat on you he will and can. No ring or document has stopped any husband or wife from cheating on their partner. Neither has the lack of a ring or documents. The whole institution of marriage is mostly a religious one. The only thing that matters is that you live up to the promises you have made to each other, I’m not gonna use the word vows. But if you have agreed not to cheat on each other that should be enough. Fuck vows, rings, imams and priests and Elvis impersonators fronting as imams or priests.

    No, the people that don't cheat don't cheat not because of fear for an institution but for fear of hurting their partner. They wouldn’t cheat even if the had the chance to, even if their partner wouldn’t know about it, they would say “But I will know about it”. There will be religious people who won’t cheat for fear out of God and the holy sacrament of marriage, but I don’t know how moral this is, I mean what if God said you could cheat, would you then do it?

    There might be people that think but I'm a married person and therefore I can't cheat. Again I'm not sure how moral this is, is the marriage more important than the person you're together with? Shouldn't the reason first and foremost be I can't because I've made a promise not to cheat on her? Of course it can help having a ring and being married, this can be a force that pushes away those thoughts and intentions of cheating. But I would say the best is a person that wouldn't cheat for any reason other than hurting their partner. Have the balls to stick up for your partner and not because of some ring.

    Personally I think the only fair thing you can do if you want to cheat on your partner is to tell her up front.

    “Honey I'm going to cheat on you, here's a pic of who I’m doing.”

    And then you will have to accept whatever she does, whether that's getting kicked in the nuts, getting dumped or her having sex with the milkman. And enjoying it.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #82 - June 28, 2010, 07:47 AM

    OK that's how you feel but the argument is silly. No offence.

    If your husband wants to cheat on you he will and can. No ring or document has stopped any husband or wife from cheating on their partner. Neither has the lack of a ring or documents. The whole institution of marriage is mostly a religious one. The only thing that matters is that you live up to the promises you have made to each other, I’m not gonna use the word vows. But if you have agreed not to cheat on each other that should be enough. Fuck vows, rings, imams and priests and Elvis impersonators fronting as imams or priests.

    No, the people that don't cheat don't cheat not because of fear for an institution but for fear of hurting their partner. They wouldn’t cheat even if the had the chance to, even if their partner wouldn’t know about it, they would say “But I will know about it”. There will be religious people who won’t cheat for fear out of God and the holy sacrament of marriage, but I don’t know how moral this is, I mean what if God said you could cheat, would you then do it?

    Personally I think the only fair thing you can do if you want to cheat on your partner is to tell her up front.

    “Honey I'm going to cheat on you, here's a pic of who I’m doing.”

    And then you will have to accept whatever she does, whether that's getting kicked in the nuts, getting dumped or her having sex with the milkman. And enjoying it.



    Erm I was saying it in half a joking manner, I know that, but for me marriage is showing your partner you want to get serious, settle down and have kids. So marriage is important for me. I know people do that anyway without marrying, but that's my view on it. And if he's ready to settle and have kids surely that shows he's committed to the relationship more so than (if he's a guy who wants kids and settle down and he has the same view) if he's not ready for that and we're both getting old.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #83 - June 28, 2010, 07:54 AM

    Why does he have to get married to prove that he wants to settle down and get kids?

    I sound like Ben Affleck in He's Just Not That Into You Grin


    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1001508/

    The only reason I would actually get married, I mean do weird ritual is because she wants to. I honestly think it's silly. Why do I have to make a show out of commitment? I can imagine having a party or something but other than that I think its a spectacle.

    Look don't get me wrong I'm not saying I don't understand, when I was a muslim I wanted to get married too. But that was more because it's a religious thing. What I was really after was a stable relationship. A commited one with kids etc. The only difference now is that I think marriage as in meh, but what marriage stands for is still  Afro
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #84 - June 28, 2010, 08:11 AM

    Why does he have to get married to prove that he wants to settle down and get kids?

    I sound like Ben Affleck in He's Just Not That Into You Grin


    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1001508/

    The only reason I would actually get married, I mean do weird ritual is because she wants to. I honestly think it's silly. Why do I have to make a show out of commitment? I can imagine having a party or something but other than that I think its a spectacle.

    Look don't get me wrong I'm not saying I don't understand, when I was a muslim I wanted to get married too. But that was more because it's a religious thing. What I was really after was a stable relationship. A committed one with kids etc. The only difference now is that I think marriage as in meh, but what marriage stands for is still  Afro


    +1
    agree with all u said
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #85 - June 28, 2010, 08:30 AM

    I do not think marriage is inherently religious.

    I see it just as a traditional sexist practice:
    Women were considered a precious resource to be regulated (for fun and for making heirs)
    So how could men convince women to be their exclusive fuck toy and baby maker?
    By preventing "unowned" women access to any decent money and social prestige.
    So there comes marriage: you will be my exclusive fuck toy and baby-making machine, and I will let you have some of my money and some of my social prestige.

    Ironically, most women are still falling for this trick in fact they desire marriage over anything else... yet, since society turned way less sexist and women do have (almost) equal access to money and social acceptance, marriage has become only detrimental for modern men cause then he feels like he has to give her something without her actually giving him back anything that he cannot already get otherwise ^_^

    So it's very lulz.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #86 - June 28, 2010, 08:42 AM

    Ah you bunch of skeptics Tongue

    I get where you're coming from, but It's a nice idea (I mean the modern idea of marriage). Unfortunately, other than religious people I've met very little people with a positive view on marriage, and a lot think like you guys do.

    I see that marriage was more for a thing the times before boyfriend and girlfriend relationships became the norm really. I see marriage as a further step in your relationship, marriage signifys the step to I'm committed enough to have children with you and raise them with you, stand by you and grow old together. It's a celebration.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #87 - June 28, 2010, 08:45 AM

    I see it just as a traditional sexist practice...
    Ironically, most women are still falling for this trick in fact they desire marriage over anything else... yet, since society turned way less sexist and women do have (almost) equal access to money and social acceptance, marriage has become only detrimental for modern men cause then he feels like he has to give her something without her actually giving him back anything that he cannot already get otherwise ^_^

    So it's very lulz.

    Yes, I am sure originally thats how the insitiution of mariage was born.  

    Although I think the concept has evolved and is now seen as carrying responsibilites from both parties.

    Those include exclusivity, responsibilities from both parties as a parent, sharing and  living  & growing old together as harmoniously as possible.  

    I was playing tennis yesterday and my friends parents sat on a bench and were watching us, they were in their 80s.  They have grown old together and were talking about when their kids were young, and she was supporting him as he had just come out of hospital.  I thought they were very sweet together.

    Marriage sometimes gets battered here for the wrong reasons, if you marry the wrong person of course it will be hell, but if you marry the right one then it can make life far more richer and rewarding.

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #88 - June 28, 2010, 08:57 AM

    Yeah but marriage is neither sufficient nor necessary for commitment.

    You mentioned married old couples being all happy together since ages ago.
    I have met married old couples hating each other to death.
    And I have met unmarried old couples being all happy together since ages ago.

    So: not sufficient. Nor necessary.

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  • Re: Marriage
     Reply #89 - June 28, 2010, 09:01 AM

    Yes, I am sure originally thats how the insitiution of mariage was born.  

    Although I think the concept has evolved and is now seen as carrying responsibilites from both parties.

    Those include exclusivity, responsibilities from both parties as a parent, sharing and  living  & growing old together as harmoniously as possible.  

    I was playing tennis yesterday and my friends parents sat on a bench and were watching us, they were in their 80s.  They have grown old together and were talking about when their kids were young, and she was supporting him as he had just come out of hospital.  I thought they were very sweet together.

    Marriage sometimes gets battered here for the wrong reasons, if you marry the wrong person of course it will be hell, but if you marry the right one then it can make life far more richer and rewarding.


    OK but their relationship would be less fulfilling, less intimate, less harmonious and less exclusive if they were not married?

    Because we can't make promises to each other without a ring on the finger?

    I mean seriously. Look I don't mind people getting married. I don’t mind marriages. I don’t particularly care for it much.

    But for someone to say a relationship will be better or more stable thanks to marriage is quite honestly BS. We can take a look at the divorce rates to see something is wrong.

    This whole conversation is moot. Getting married or not getting married is like the option of being cremated or buried, it’s a personal preference. The point is whether you have outlined your relationship (polygamy, polyandry, open marriage) and if you stick to it.

    I can understand people wanting to get married, but again, it’s a personal preference that has absolutely no significance as to whether the relationship will work out. If you need to get married in order to feel secure in a relationship that’s the wrong way to go about it. You should know if your partner intends to stick around, instead of holding them to a damn contract like “Look look, NO CHEATING, it says right here under paragraph 5b. And you cheated!!!! Do you have no morals at all? Why would you sign this paper if you didn’t believe in it?!” “Sorry babe I didn’t mean it to happen, I fell, tripped and my dick accidently got inside her. It was an accident I promise. The power of this ring will hold my demons at bay.”
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