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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #240 - June 05, 2010, 08:40 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on June 05, 2010, 08:38 PM
    ok screw it, what the heck - he was an atheist, you dudes are driving me nuts!


    No he wasn't. Don't be presumptuous.  Tongue

    Hey, YOU brought it up! Let's just say he was agnostic and leave it at that.
  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #241 - June 05, 2010, 08:58 PM
    yeah only cos BD that dork asked me which physicists i thought believed in a creator. anyway we all agree that BD is a dumb-dumb-head - that's the most important thing
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #242 - June 05, 2010, 08:58 PM
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #243 - June 05, 2010, 09:52 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on June 05, 2010, 08:00 PM
    i don't think God will get upset, but it's personally something i'd rather not do. my personal belief is that everything we have is because of God - he is the reason i can love my wife and son - i don't want to ignore him

    pork is a personal preference - i don't think it could be  considered a 'sin'


    The Quran says not to eat it, so if you eat it then you are disobeying God.  Come on, you just know that any being that could create the entire universe wouldn't give a shit whether or not you ate pigs; and that's exactly why you should know that the Quran was made up.  Otherwise how can it possibly make any sense?
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #244 - June 05, 2010, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on June 05, 2010, 08:00 PM
    i don't think God will get upset, but it's personally something i'd rather not do. my personal belief is that everything we have is because of God - he is the reason i can love my wife and son - i don't want to ignore him



    He ignores us often enough. :s
  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #245 - June 05, 2010, 09:56 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on June 05, 2010, 09:52 PM
    The Quran says not to eat it, so if you eat it then you are disobeying God.  Come on, you just know that any being that could create the entire universe wouldn't give a shit whether or not you ate pigs; and that's exactly why you should know that the Quran was made up.  Otherwise how can it possibly make any sense?


    Because apparently the qur'an was only intended for 7th century arabs.  Huh?
  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #246 - June 05, 2010, 10:44 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on June 05, 2010, 08:38 PM
    ok screw it, what the heck - he was an atheist, you dudes are driving me nuts!

    No, he was agnostic  dance

    In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic"  Tongue
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #247 - June 05, 2010, 11:46 PM
    NO! He was a Muslim!! Angry
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #248 - June 06, 2010, 12:56 AM
    Grin
  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #249 - June 06, 2010, 12:57 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 05, 2010, 10:44 PM
    No, he was agnostic  dance

    In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic"  Tongue
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views


    fuck that. he was an agnostic-deist  yes
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #250 - June 06, 2010, 07:46 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 05, 2010, 10:44 PM
    No, he was agnostic  dance

    In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic"  Tongue
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views


    Thanks for the quote.  I knew that his previous letters were not conclusive to prove anything either way, but it did look as though he was more agnostic than deist to me.

    But still, it doesn't matter what he was on account that.
    1: He was clearly fallible.
    2: He's a corpse.
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #251 - June 06, 2010, 02:17 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on June 06, 2010, 12:57 AM
    fuck that. he was an agnostic-deist  yes

    You're being silly now.

    Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic"
    Which part of this did he say he's part deist?

    I get his position because its the same as my own.  He thought all religion sounded man-made, and as someone who studied science at the highest level, he expected far more from God than the scriptures that were sent and thought it seemed a little too simplistic.

    Also as a scientist he was not left with any concrete facts to go off, so he was left to conclude in the same way as anyone following scientific method would have concluded then and even now = agnostic.

    After reading all the facts, if you want to be more specific I would say he fell on the spectrum between atheism-deism-pantheism = agnostic

    but I actually dont believe he was sure of his stance or may have changed with time/mood/context/agenda, hence the confusion.
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #252 - June 06, 2010, 02:21 PM
    I think Abu Yunus was joking. Sounds like his type of joke. You know... crap?
  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #253 - July 02, 2010, 10:03 PM
    I just found these two interesting Einstein quotes:

    1: Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.

    2: A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.


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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #254 - July 02, 2010, 11:29 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 06, 2010, 02:17 PM
    You're being silly now.

    Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic"
    Which part of this did he say he's part deist?

    I get his position because its the same as my own.  He thought all religion sounded man-made, and as someone who studied science at the highest level, he expected far more from God than the scriptures that were sent and thought it seemed a little too simplistic.

    Also as a scientist he was not left with any concrete facts to go off, so he was left to conclude in the same way as anyone following scientific method would have concluded then and even now = agnostic.

    After reading all the facts, if you want to be more specific I would say he fell on the spectrum between atheism-deism-pantheism = agnostic

    but I actually dont believe he was sure of his stance or may have changed with time/mood/context/agenda, hence the confusion.


    I heard he was influenced by Spinoza's philosophy
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #255 - July 02, 2010, 11:32 PM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 02, 2010, 10:03 PM

    2: A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.


    Exactly, this was one of my earliest sticking points to the road to apostacy - what man chooses to do out of fear/reward bears more relevence to his lack of moral integrity that to his good character.

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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #256 - July 02, 2010, 11:49 PM
    this ethics question opened once with a guy who claims he believes  (he drinks, smokes weed and tobacco, had a girlfriend in kosovo and one in austria) and when i asked him if he doesn't do bad stuff because he knows why it is wrong or because he is afraid of allah, he answered because he is afraid.. I then asked would you rape your sister or mother if you knew there is no god? He said probably yes.... I didn't have a clue what to say except "You are a fuckin psycho then..."

    maybe he wouldn't do that, but he wanted to stick to his claim that morals come from fear of god by any means, even if that means raping your own sister.
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #257 - July 02, 2010, 11:52 PM
    one muslim I know couldnt understand why I didnt steal   idiot2
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #258 - July 02, 2010, 11:58 PM
    For such Muslims, it's almost tempting to say: "dude, keep your religion, coz' you need it!"  Wink
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #259 - July 03, 2010, 12:56 AM
    Lol
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #260 - July 03, 2010, 01:03 AM
    When will Hamza Tortoise put the youtube video on his blog.  For a Muslim he is a c****tease entertainer.  It's been almost 3 weeks
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #261 - July 03, 2010, 08:58 AM
    Quote from: Bardhi_i_zi on July 02, 2010, 11:49 PM
    I didn't have a clue what to say except "You are a fuckin psycho then..."


    I'd have said "Bye then, it's been nice knowing you".

    Imagine what this kind of sicko is like when the regime under which he lives says that you can rape someone as a form of punishment.  I can't stand assholes like this.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #262 - July 03, 2010, 09:26 AM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 02, 2010, 10:03 PM
    I just found these two interesting Einstein quotes:

    1: Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.

    2: A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.





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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #263 - November 01, 2010, 09:16 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on June 06, 2010, 12:57 AM
    fuck that. he was an agnostic-deist  yes

    Just found another quote from Einstein

    Einstein said; "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it"
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #264 - November 01, 2010, 09:52 PM
    i never said Einstein was religous if you read through all my posts - just that he wasn't an atheist - we can argue all day long about what his position in between the two actually was.
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #265 - November 01, 2010, 09:54 PM
    I think its pretty safe to say that he (like many) changed his position from time to time and thats why we can't gain a conclusive answer on the subject.
  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #266 - November 01, 2010, 10:34 PM
    His position where it matters was clear.  He believed all religion is man made....because it so obviously is.
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #267 - November 01, 2010, 10:38 PM
    I really think he has not made his mind up, otherwise he would have been far more definitive.  I think its safe to say he could have been an atheist/agnostic/deist with everything he's said. 

    Either way,  for his time even this thought was was very radical.
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #268 - November 01, 2010, 10:39 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 01, 2010, 10:38 PM
    I really think he has not made his mind up, otherwise he would have been far more definitive.  I think its safe to say he could have been an atheist/agnostic/deist with everything he's said. 

    Either way,  for his time even this thought was was very radical.


    He clearly said he does not believe in a personal god.  The Abrahamic religions require a personal god, he therefore outright rejected those religions.
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  • Re: Islam or Atheism - The Big Debate
     Reply #269 - November 01, 2010, 10:43 PM
    Huh? My post was agreeing with you?
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