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  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #60 - June 05, 2010, 06:50 AM

    Speaking of names, if I have kids I'll probably give them Iranian/Persian origin names. If I have a son, I'll definitely name him Jahangir (meaning: Conqueror of the World).  Afro

    Such names are pretty common in this part of the world. I am not too keen on the Arabised names, although I like my name Ali. Short simple sweet.  Tongue

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #61 - June 05, 2010, 10:45 AM

    Safe Saif.  Wink
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #62 - June 05, 2010, 10:56 AM

    i thought about changing my name. since im not an arab or a muslim, i don't see any point keeping an arabic name.

    maybe i'll change it.
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #63 - June 05, 2010, 11:05 AM

    Safe Saif.  Wink

    Saif means sword in Arabic.  Tongue

    It can be used to have some very common names that actually sound very paradoxical and funny. The most common being Saif-ur-Rehman which literally means "Sword of the Merciful". Wtf...??  Cheesy Huh?

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #64 - June 05, 2010, 11:20 AM

    I think the killing by the sword is Allah's way of having mercy on the disbelievers, as it cleanses some of their sins and places them in the 99th degree of Eternal Blazing Torment as opposed to the 100th degree of Eternal Blazing Torment. In this one they still get the skin burned off but don't have to drink their own steaming urine. Kind of like when you get offered a promotion that is not really a promotion.
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #65 - June 05, 2010, 11:34 AM

    Saif means sword in Arabic.  Tongue

    It can be used to have some very common names that actually sound very paradoxical and funny. The most common being Saif-ur-Rehman which literally means "Sword of the Merciful". Wtf...??  Cheesy Huh?

    Says it all when people can use that name without having an irony meter meltdown.  whistling2

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  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #66 - June 05, 2010, 12:45 PM

     whistling2

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  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #67 - June 05, 2010, 03:40 PM

    as an apostate, have you not consider to change your name to a suitable for liberated individual?


    I find that suggestion quite offensive. No decent person would judge an individual by their name - and I'm certainly not going to change it for the bigots who think that because I have a Muslim name I must be a terrorist.

    From a practical point of view it may make things easier in some instances - but for that I must give up the name my parents gave me and has become part of me. For that I must bow to the shallow and ignorant who want to herd us into easy identifiable groups so they can pinpoint better who to aim their prejudice at.

    And should one take this principle of acquiescing and giving to make things a little easier in some respects be applied in everything in life - or just Muslim names? Perhaps attempting to lighten the skin tone might help one get a job? Straighten that fuzzy hair perhaps? Maybe stop eating smelly curries? Chuck pictures of our Muslim parents in the bin? Or maybe if we convert to Christianity life would be even easier?

    Not to mention the fact that we as Ex-Muslims should be striving to secularise our names (just as we should strive to secularise our culture) so that Muslims cannot take for granted that everyone with a Muslim name is a Muslim anymore than John or Peter are Christian.
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #68 - June 05, 2010, 04:11 PM

    Well , I have t agree with what Hassan  says above.,

    But I would suggest to those ex-Muslims ..apostates ..infidels.. whatever.,

    If you guys marry out of Islam or marry a  born Muslim who also happened to be ex-Mapoinfi.,  Then .. then DO NOT GIVE FULL MUSLIM NAMES to your kids., make the kid life better by putting some name of a river.. or place .. whatever.. park.. lol..  next to the town you live or tag Muslim  country you are born in to.  E.g.

    David PAK... or or Gizazypt  ., Ha that is good girl name..

    It is just a suggestion., may be it is offensive to some,  but for the sake of kid, I  and willing to take the hits and  insults..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #69 - June 05, 2010, 04:20 PM

    Great post Hassan. Couldn't agree more.  Afro
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #70 - June 05, 2010, 04:38 PM

    For the kids, just make up new names or choose whatever you like whether that's arabic or hebrew or whatever! I happen to like the name Cassiopeia.

    http://www.alsonwongastro.com/images/Milky_Way_Objects/CassiopeiaLRGBF2500.jpg

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #71 - June 05, 2010, 04:52 PM

    I find that suggestion quite offensive. No decent person would judge an individual by their name - and I'm certainly not going to change it for the bigots who think that because I have a Muslim name I must be a terrorist.

    From a practical point of view it may make things easier in some instances - but for that I must give up the name my parents gave me and has become part of me. For that I must bow to the shallow and ignorant who want to herd us into easy identifiable groups so they can pinpoint better who to aim their prejudice at.

    And should one take this principle of acquiescing and giving to make things a little easier in some respects be applied in everything in life - or just Muslim names? Perhaps attempting to lighten the skin tone might help one get a job? Straighten that fuzzy hair perhaps? Maybe stop eating smelly curries? Chuck pictures of our Muslim parents in the bin? Or maybe if we convert to Christianity life would be even easier?

    Not to mention the fact that we as Ex-Muslims should be striving to secularise our names (just as we should strive to secularise our culture) so that Muslims cannot take for granted that everyone with a Muslim name is a Muslim anymore than John or Peter are Christian.

    +1

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #72 - June 05, 2010, 06:06 PM

    For the kids, just make up new names or choose whatever you like whether that's arabic or hebrew or whatever! I happen to like the name Cassiopeia.

    http://www.alsonwongastro.com/images/Milky_Way_Objects/CassiopeiaLRGBF2500.jpg


    ROFL
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #73 - June 05, 2010, 06:56 PM

    For the kids, just make up new names or choose whatever you like whether that's arabic or hebrew or whatever! I happen to like the name Cassiopeia.

    http://www.alsonwongastro.com/images/Milky_Way_Objects/CassiopeiaLRGBF2500.jpg

    How about Cassini? Afro

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #74 - June 05, 2010, 07:05 PM

    I find that suggestion quite offensive. No decent person would judge an individual by their name - and I'm certainly not going to change it for the bigots who think that because I have a Muslim name I must be a terrorist.

    can you blame for their bigotry, where a suicide bombers comes up with exclusively an Islamic name?
    there is a fixated thought that there has to be the other's side fault. where situation created by the culprits themselves.
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    From a practical point of view it may make things easier in some instances - but for that I must give up the name my parents gave me and has become part of me. For that I must bow to the shallow and ignorant who want to herd us into easy identifiable groups so they can pinpoint better who to aim their prejudice at.

    or where not to aim their prejudice at. certain names will trigger. if I go to turkey with my surname cohen do you think it bypass? this only to point that names are significant. an example Nazi Germany in their pursuit for Jews. and your hold on the name proves that point as well.

    you would be right about bigotry if the names were occasional. but when terror occurs and the names of the perpetrators comes out with yusuf, abu jamil mahmud etc you can't point out and say that is mere bigotry and an ignorant. an ignorant perhaps but you're in minority and less heard of.
    wafa sultan for instance had not change her name and enter Israel with out any disturbance that due her reputation. all this topic about the name resulted from BlackDog's question whether he will be allowed to enter Israel despite living in the west with an Islamic name tho he is not a Muslim.

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    And should one take this principle of acquiescing and giving to make things a little easier in some respects be applied in everything in life - or just Muslim names? Perhaps attempting to lighten the skin tone might help one get a job? Straighten that fuzzy hair perhaps? Maybe stop eating smelly curries? Chuck pictures of our Muslim parents in the bin? Or maybe if we convert to Christianity life would be even easier?

    why do certain actors change their names? why do witnesses change their names? there is a necessity in certain aspects of life.

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    Not to mention the fact that we as Ex-Muslims should be striving to secularise our names (just as we should strive to secularise our culture) so that Muslims cannot take for granted that everyone with a Muslim name is a Muslim anymore than John or Peter are Christian.

    not necessarily to make it an ideology. what should ex Muslims do imo is to think outside the box. us vs them mentality is a fixated line of thought. it is repetitive of Islamic mentality. indicates that is not a real change from muslim to ex muslim. it is simpley "the same old thing under a different cloak"
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #75 - June 05, 2010, 07:11 PM

    That's not fair mate:

    indicates that is not a real change from muslim to ex muslim. it is simpley "the same old thing under a different cloak"


    It says more about you and your mentality to be honest. Or it's just cultural differences.
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #76 - June 05, 2010, 07:17 PM

    Quote

    Want. Must. Have.

     w00t
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #77 - June 05, 2010, 07:32 PM

    not necessarily to make it an ideology. what should ex Muslims do imo is to think outside the box. us vs them mentality is a fixated line of thought. it is repetitive of Islamic mentality. indicates that is not a real change from muslim to ex muslim. it is simpley "the same old thing under a different cloak"

    We do try to be honest here.  Go to FFI and you'll see a real us-vs-them mentality.

    I personally am not against ex-Muslims changing their name if they want to, but I'm happy with my name so I'm keeping it.

    But, do you really want to live in a world where people are judged by their name?

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #78 - June 05, 2010, 07:37 PM

    But, do you really want to live in a world where people are judged by their name?

    Sadly, we already are to a certain extent.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #79 - June 05, 2010, 08:16 PM

    can you blame for their bigotry, where a suicide bombers comes up with exclusively an Islamic name?

    Not exclusively. The vast majority of terrorists nowadays are Muslims. But not all. And certainly this has not been the case throughout history.

    What about the attacks on abortion clinics, the IRS Austin bombing, and Tim McVeigh? what about the IRA and the Docklands and Brighton bombings? what about ETA, the 1987 Hipercor bombing, and the Barajas Airport bombing? what about the JDL, the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, and the assassination of Alex Odeh? what about the KKK, neo-Nazis and David Copeland? what about Sikh separatist militants and Air India 182?


    there is a fixated thought that there has to be the other's side fault. where situation created by the culprits

    Hassan is not the culprit. Neither am I or Blackdog. The situation was not created or facilitated by us. Therefore we deserve to be respected as such. Pretty please Smiley


    themselves. or where not to aim their prejudice at. certain names will trigger. if I go to turkey with my surname cohen do you think it bypass? this only to point that names are significant. an example Nazi Germany in their pursuit for Jews. and your hold on the name proves that point as well.

    Cold you please clarify what you meant by the bolded part?


    you would be right about bigotry if the names were occasional. but when terror occurs and the names of the perpetrators comes out with yusuf, abu jamil mahmud etc you can't point out and say that is mere bigotry and an ignorant. an ignorant perhaps but you're in minority and less heard of.

    You're implying guilt by association. And justifying collective prejudice against an entire group of people. Fuck that my friend.


    not necessarily to make it an ideology. what should ex Muslims do imo is to think outside the box. us vs them mentality is a fixated line of thought. it is repetitive of Islamic mentality. indicates that is not a real change from muslim to ex muslim. it is simpley "the same old thing under a different cloak"

    Sorry but this is egregious. Like BD said, it reflects your own us vs. them mentality.

  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #80 - June 05, 2010, 09:10 PM

    That's not fair mate:

    indicates that is not a real change from muslim to ex muslim. it is simpley "the same old thing under a different cloak"


    It says more about you and your mentality to be honest. Or it's just cultural differences.

    I wasn't addressing you in that context. I was referring for this comment  "Ex-Muslims should be striving to secularise our names (just as we should strive to secularise our culture) so that Muslims cannot take for granted that everyone with a Muslim name is a Muslim anymore than John or Peter are Christian."
    it may look as valid point. but his request indicating an ideological stance. that is not freedom. not in it's natural essence.

    tho he suggest that muslims should take the idea that apostatism is a fact and they need to adjust to that idea. valid point. however they don't adjust the idea israel around.
    need to be honest it's a wishful thinking. and the reason does not lie on them be Muslims. but because Islam is at fault.   
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #81 - June 05, 2010, 09:39 PM

    @ateapotist

    I'm a member of FFI. for me, there is it vs us mentality. and to quequ is not a good argument.

    @Iraqi Atheist
    I'm not ignoring history. you noted "The vast majority of terrorists nowadays are Muslims" no words necessary to add more.
    culprits not meant for you nor to Hassan. he pointed the importance of the name with several points, while in the same breath suggest should not be judge by it, as a name not supposed to play a role.

    @Infidel
    unless there would be upheaval

  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #82 - June 05, 2010, 10:22 PM

    @ygalg,
    Another argument for keeping the same name:
    Names have traditionally been used by religions/tribes as a badge of identity.  This aids the survival of the religion.  If ex-Muslims refuse to change their name after apostasy, the name will lose one of its key benefits for religions.  It will confuse Muslims, and over time, Muslims will not be able to use the name to identify who is a Muslim and who isn't.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #83 - June 06, 2010, 06:46 AM

    Adam, Joseph, Yasmin, Farah, Tina.....etc are all beautiful names.

    I hate my name though. I really do. Mohammed ewww. Not gonna change it.

    it can't be worse then mine, Cry my surname is Islam  mysmilie_977
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #84 - June 06, 2010, 06:48 AM

    I met a guy once whose name was Jihad Al-Zarqawi. You can't beat that.
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #85 - June 06, 2010, 08:04 AM

    @ateapotist

    keeping or not, that is your choice. particular names are alerting. and I don't see the fault starting fresh with new one. I myself changed mine.
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #86 - June 06, 2010, 08:43 AM

    @ateapotist
    I understand the idea behind it. however one person's name is intent to be private and not collective. it supposed to define who you are. whether with the birth name or with a new one. hence I suggested "as an apostate, have you not consider to change your name to a suitable for liberated individual?"
    keeping the name that is also a freedom of choice. I respect that. but need to note that choices you make have consequences.
     
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #87 - June 06, 2010, 10:37 AM

    can you blame for their bigotry, where a suicide bombers comes up with exclusively an Islamic name?

    no such thing as an islamic name (correct me if im wrong) they are in arabic.
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #88 - June 06, 2010, 01:58 PM

    I met a guy once whose name was Jihad Al-Zarqawi. You can't beat that.


    I have a friend whose first name is Muslim....
  • Re: ygalg replying BlackDog
     Reply #89 - June 06, 2010, 02:02 PM

    ...

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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