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  • Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     OP - June 06, 2010, 09:26 AM

    http://richarddawkins.net/articles/476859-titan-nasa-scientists-discover-evidence-that-alien-life-exists-on-saturn-s-moon

    Could be, but too early to tell Smiley

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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #1 - June 06, 2010, 09:57 AM

    As you would say it Foocking Foock.
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #2 - June 06, 2010, 10:16 AM

    I'm not going to get too excited until there is undeniable proof (gosh I'm such an atheist lol), but yeah these are some very interesting finds.

    Quote
    Researchers at the space agency believe they have discovered vital clues that appeared to indicate that primitive aliens could be living on the planet.

     

    They aren't really aliens though if they evolved on the planet itself  Huh?

  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #3 - June 06, 2010, 10:20 AM

    They aren't really aliens though if they evolved on the planet itself  Huh?


    It's relative to which planet you are standing on when you discuss it, currently they would be considered aliens Smiley

    I won't accept it until I see proof, but evidence is a good start!

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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #4 - June 06, 2010, 10:27 AM

    But we're made of star dust baby!  parrot

    Aliens shmelians.... we're all one big family  dance

  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #5 - June 06, 2010, 11:08 AM

    The Dawkins article links to a Telegraph article, which in turn links to the original NASA article.

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/titan20100603.html

    Quote
    The absence of detectable acetylene on the Titan surface can very well have a non-biological explanation, said Mark Allen, principal investigator with the NASA Astrobiology Institute Titan team. Allen is based at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. Allen said one possibility is that sunlight or cosmic rays are transforming the acetylene in icy aerosols in the atmosphere into more complex molecules that would fall to the ground with no acetylene signature.

    "Scientific conservatism suggests that a biological explanation should be the last choice after all non-biological explanations are addressed," Allen said. "We have a lot of work to do to rule out possible non-biological explanations. It is more likely that a chemical process, without biology, can explain these results - for example, reactions involving mineral catalysts."


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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #6 - June 06, 2010, 12:06 PM


    Don't Panic!


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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #7 - June 06, 2010, 12:09 PM

    *panics*

  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #8 - June 06, 2010, 12:17 PM

    This is very exciting Smiley and I'm looking forward to more updates. As stated previously, I am suppressing my excitement until (and if ever)  this is a fact.


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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #9 - June 06, 2010, 12:23 PM

    Quote
    This is very exciting

     

    Yeah.....until it turns out it some ice crystals or a salty microbe or something *yawn*

    Wake me up when we find some of this:




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #10 - June 06, 2010, 05:00 PM



    Yeah.....until it turns out it some ice crystals or a salty microbe or something *yawn*

    Wake me up when we find some of this:


    Well, I dunno about Mars Attacks but the NASA archives have some pretty weird stuff in them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTzdwMT0g4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAp2Ni9frJE
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #11 - June 06, 2010, 05:05 PM

    I knew it! They're out there!

    *panics again*

  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #12 - June 06, 2010, 05:06 PM

    He saw an angel reciting the azan. Wait 'til Dr. Zakir Naik hears of this.
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #13 - June 06, 2010, 05:15 PM

     Cheesy
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #14 - June 06, 2010, 06:13 PM

    Tip

    Don't believe anything from LunaCognita.  I bought one of his DVD's, it's utterly ridiculous.  He claims that the impact craters on the Moon are all faked photos, and that if you invert them and flip the photos upside down you can see what they really are......parked flying saucers.

    Sorry but no.

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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #15 - June 06, 2010, 06:55 PM

    Tip

    Don't believe anything from LunaCognita.  I bought one of his DVD's, it's utterly ridiculous.  He claims that the impact craters on the Moon are all faked photos, and that if you invert them and flip the photos upside down you can see what they really are......parked flying saucers.

    Sorry but no.


    I'm aware that a good part of the videos, or his interpretations, are bullshit. However, there are numerous things, within the NASA archives, that are not so easily dismissed.
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #16 - June 06, 2010, 07:05 PM

    agreed with cocopop
    can't wait to meet my cousins from the other side of the galaxy

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #17 - June 06, 2010, 07:14 PM

    Watching the video now

    "Something up here"
    1: If I saw something which was obviously a ship I'd be saying "OH MY GOD, THERE'S A SPACESHIP UP HERE!" - so he obviously wasn't very sure
    2: It had arms sticking out of it, this could have been some kind of light-glare from the Sun which was coming into view.
    3: How can he tell it was 10 miles out with nothing to use for scale or reference points? It could have been 10 metres away and he wouldn't have known.

    "Interview later"
    1: I expect new technology goes on and off quite often, so the fact that their engines etc stopped would be no great surprise.
    2: A cylindrical shaped object with a single arm sticking out of it.  Considering there was a space race on is it really so surprising that a metal looking object was seen orbiting the Earth at the same time as the Americans?

    "Buz Aldrin"
    1: He saw "something" 6 inches across only a few feet away.  Wow, must have been green men!
    2: How long was it? Because 6 inches isn't "very large".

    "One revolution per second"
    If it had been changing direction or speed then that might be impressive, otherwise it could easily have been space debris from some previous US or USSR launch.

    "Bogey at 10 o'clock high"
    Yes, that's very descriptive.  At the most it says "We have something and I don't know what it is", that doesn't mean it's a spaceship.

    "Lots of particles"
    Who'd have thought it? Particles in space!  And there's more....IN AN ORBIT!   Cheesy

    "Light"
    More shit with the Sun shining on it.

    By this point I am bored.  All this amounts to is lots of "stuff" in space moving according to Newtonian laws of physics and reflecting light from the Sun.  If there is anything that is actually impressive in the script then please paste it in so that I don't have to waste more of my life.

    This is like a space version of Most Haunted!  I can see Evette Fielding now..
    "Did you see that? Did anyone see that?  It was a space orb!"


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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #18 - June 06, 2010, 07:15 PM

    It's mind boggling when you try to imagine what the lifeforms will be like on those moons.  They will be nothing like what we see on earth, so you really have to let your imagination run wild.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #19 - June 06, 2010, 09:02 PM

    Watching the video now

    "Something up here"
    1: If I saw something which was obviously a ship I'd be saying "OH MY GOD, THERE'S A SPACESHIP UP HERE!" - so he obviously wasn't very sure
    2: It had arms sticking out of it, this could have been some kind of light-glare from the Sun which was coming into view.
    3: How can he tell it was 10 miles out with nothing to use for scale or reference points? It could have been 10 metres away and he wouldn't have known.

    "Interview later"
    1: I expect new technology goes on and off quite often, so the fact that their engines etc stopped would be no great surprise.
    2: A cylindrical shaped object with a single arm sticking out of it.  Considering there was a space race on is it really so surprising that a metal looking object was seen orbiting the Earth at the same time as the Americans?

    "Buz Aldrin"
    1: He saw "something" 6 inches across only a few feet away.  Wow, must have been green men!
    2: How long was it? Because 6 inches isn't "very large".

    "One revolution per second"
    If it had been changing direction or speed then that might be impressive, otherwise it could easily have been space debris from some previous US or USSR launch.

    "Bogey at 10 o'clock high"
    Yes, that's very descriptive.  At the most it says "We have something and I don't know what it is", that doesn't mean it's a spaceship.

    "Lots of particles"
    Who'd have thought it? Particles in space!  And there's more....IN AN ORBIT!   Cheesy

    "Light"
    More shit with the Sun shining on it.

    By this point I am bored.  All this amounts to is lots of "stuff" in space moving according to Newtonian laws of physics and reflecting light from the Sun.  If there is anything that is actually impressive in the script then please paste it in so that I don't have to waste more of my life.

    This is like a space version of Most Haunted!  I can see Evette Fielding now..
    "Did you see that? Did anyone see that?  It was a space orb!"


    It's entirely possible that a lot of it is just 'space junk.' But if you want examples that I think are interesting then:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo81LMy6Ug8

    The ones at 0:20, 2:05

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RPWhigpQg&feature=related

    The ones at 0:18, 0:40, 2:10, 3:10, interesting interview at 5:30, 8:40

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc&feature=related

    The little green alien at the beginning, of course  Wink  0:15, 2:18, 2:55, 3:00, at 5:20, they're sure to call it an 'alien space craft'  Wink 6:35, 7:10, 8:10, 8:50

    Not to say that they're all alien space ships, but they're still interesting, whatever they are.
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #20 - June 07, 2010, 08:58 AM

    Video 1:
    0:20 : A light object travelling in a straight line.  Could be a block of ice or something else reflective.
    2:05 : No idea what that is, it's vertical change could be attributed to gravity but at least it seems to defy Newtons first law considering there is no atmosphere on the Moon to slow it down.

    Video 2:
    0:18 : It doesn't decelerate, the video is played fast and then slowed down.  The change in direction is immediate and in a straight line, this could easily be due to an impact with an object that is dark and not reflecting light.  Space debris collision + forgery of the video footage.
    0:40 : Changes direction smoothly so doesn't look like a collision.
    2:10 : Reflective object moving according to the laws of physics, nothing unusual there.
    3:10 : Occurrences during an electrical storm, these could easily be some kind of electro magnetic phenomena.
    5:30 : Didn't listen.  Human accounts are notoriously inaccurate, I want to see video footage.
    8:40 : Again reflective objects moving with uniformed motion.

    Video 3
    0:15 : Uniformed motion
    2:18 : Much better, no explanation
    2:55 : Reflective + uniformed motion
    3:00 : As above
    5:20 : No idea, but I distrust still photographs because they are not revealing enough.

    If you have more of the ones I could not explain then those would be interesting.  What I don't want to see is

    1: A light moving in a straight line : This is just light coloured space debris reflecting sun-light, like a chunk of ice etc.
    2: A light changing direction from straight line A to straight line B: This is just #1 after a collision.
    3: A flashing light travelling in a straight line: This is just #1 where the object is flattened and rotating.
    4: Things which occur during electrical storms.

    What I do want to see is
    1: Objects which change speed gradually.
    2: Objects which change direction gradually (in a curve).
    3: Solid objects.

    But finally I'd like to say that if we see something which proves conclusively that it is being operated intelligently this would not mean it is aliens. Intelligently controlled objects above a planet of intelligent beings capable of travelling into space and even sending objects to other planets is not an unexpected event.  One thing we can be sure of is whatever the US military has up its sleeve in the way of top-secret technology will be unknown to you and I.

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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #21 - June 07, 2010, 11:19 PM

    Video 1:
    0:20 : A light object travelling in a straight line.  Could be a block of ice or something else reflective.


    Ooft. That is one fast-moving block of ice, laddie. Or something else reflective? Judging by your other comments, there certainly are a lot of very bright shiny things moving around in space at high speeds  Wink

    You seem to imply a lot that something's flying in a straight line precludes its being piloted by intelligent beings. Of course, planes also  fly in straight lines. But, of course, changing direction is more indicative of something that's being piloted by intelligence, you're right in that.

    As for the thing at 2:05, it moves very fast. Given the moon's comparitively weak gravitational force, I doubt it could be chalked up to gravity.

    Video 2:
    0:18 : It doesn't decelerate, the video is played fast and then slowed down.  The change in direction is immediate and in a straight line, this could easily be due to an impact with an object that is dark and not reflecting light.  Space debris collision + forgery of the video footage.
    0:40 : Changes direction smoothly so doesn't look like a collision.
    2:10 : Reflective object moving according to the laws of physics, nothing unusual there.
    3:10 : Occurrences during an electrical storm, these could easily be some kind of electro magnetic phenomena.
    5:30 : Didn't listen.  Human accounts are notoriously inaccurate, I want to see video footage.
    8:40 : Again reflective objects moving with uniformed motion.


    0:18 It's possible, although an alternative explanation is likewise.
    0:40 What could it possibly be?
    2:10 Could be something mundane, could not be
    2:30 Also has some interesting things, something very fast-moving darting off in the direction of the earth, then something looking like it pops into existence out of nothing.
    3:10 Or, failing that, some other unexplained phenomenon. But I think it's interesting that some of them come from space, and do not seem to originate from the actual location of the storm itself.
    5:30 The guy was an astronaut, and talks about how the existence of aliens and the like is acknowledged within circles of government scientists and intelligence people. Maybe it's not true, but it's worth considering.
    8:40 So what? How does that explain what they are? One stationary and two moving at different speeds. Doesn't seem like random peices of ice from the space shuttle.

    Video 3
    0:15 : Uniformed motion
    2:18 : Much better, no explanation
    2:55 : Reflective + uniformed motion
    3:00 : As above
    5:20 : No idea, but I distrust still photographs because they are not revealing enough.


    0:15 Like I say, that doesn't explain much.  Could be something uninteresting. Must be travelling very quickly though, and in a perfect straight line, seemingly undisturbed by the moon's gravity.
    2:18 Yep, it's a good 'n'.
    You might also find 2:42 Interesting. Bright object, constant speed, changing direction.  Or, if you can be bothered, just watch the the vids in their entirety. There could well be other stuff that I missed.
    2:55 I dunno. It flashes, yet doesn't change shape as would be expected from a rotating object. That and one of them is followed by a similar-looking object.
    5:20 I think I meant to type 6:30 for that. A bright object, changes speed gradually and then remains static.

    The thing at 9:00 is interesting. Like some of the other ones with objects appearing to pop into existence, some things come from space, etc. Very strange, whatever it is.

    If you have more of the ones I could not explain then those would be interesting.  What I don't want to see is

    1: A light moving in a straight line : This is just light coloured space debris reflecting sun-light, like a chunk of ice etc.
    2: A light changing direction from straight line A to straight line B: This is just #1 after a collision.
    3: A flashing light travelling in a straight line: This is just #1 where the object is flattened and rotating.
    4: Things which occur during electrical storms.


    I'll see if I can find more of the good ones  Afro

    1: Not necessarily. But I understand that there's no reason to believe that they're necessarily anything different either, let alone alien space ships.
    2: Same as above
    3: Not necessarily. Such objects must have a particular shape. But a number of these flashing objects do not change shape, which may indicate that their flashing is not the result of mere rotation and the reflection of sunlight.
    4: Those same objects can be seen in the last video at 8:50 onwards, not during an electrical storm. There's another similar example in 2:30 of the second vid

  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #22 - June 07, 2010, 11:28 PM

    Ooft. That is one fast-moving block of ice, laddie. Or something else reflective? Judging by your other comments, there certainly are a lot of very bright shiny things moving around in space at high speeds  Wink

    There are. Escape velocity for Earth is 11.2 kilometres per second. That means there aint nothing in orbit going much slower than that, and that is pretty damned fast.

    Other objects not in orbit can go a lot faster since there is nothing to slow them down unless they collide with another object or are affected by its gravity. Speeds we think are totally insane are perfectly common for objects in space.   

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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #23 - June 07, 2010, 11:35 PM

    Yes, yes, a good point. I understand that the astronauts' space suits had to have armour plating because even mini-meteors fly around in space at the speed of bullets.

    I suppose to get a better understanding of whether any given object is simply floating in space or being propelled you'd need to do some tricky equations.

    But in any case, some of the objects cannot be explained as mere comets of ice or rock floating in space, due to their changing directions and appearing out of nowhere, etc.
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #24 - June 07, 2010, 11:49 PM

    Oh, and with regards to escape velocity.

    Surely that only pertains to things like actually getting a rocket into space from the ground and it's not the same for things that are already in space?

    Like for example, satallites and space stations float in orbit without having to constantly escape the gravitational pull of the earth by moving at incredible speeds in the opposite direction.

    I imagine that the gravitational pull of the earth is lessened if you're further away from it, hence why satallites and space stations can remain above the earth, in orbit, without needing constant propulsion to keep them there.

    Then again, I flunked physics  grin12
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #25 - June 08, 2010, 12:08 AM

    Yes, and I can see why.  grin12  Power is only needed for changes in velocity. Constant velocity requires no power at all, in the absence of anything that would cause resistance.

    Escape velocity at typical orbit heights is less (gravity follows an inverse square law) but is still pretty fast. For objects in orbit the speed they are moving at is just enough to balance the gravitational attraction to the earth. They are still falling towards the earth all the time, but they are moving fast enough sideways that they fall all the way around the earth and come back to where they started. Smiley

    ETA: And yes, that explanation is technically correct even if it sounds a bit silly. That really is how orbits work.

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  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #26 - June 08, 2010, 04:46 AM

    I'm aware that a good part of the videos, or his interpretations, are bullshit. However, there are numerous things, within the NASA archives, that are not so easily dismissed.

    Oh, oh, oh!  Shades of FFI... Roll Eyes
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #27 - June 08, 2010, 07:22 AM

    Yes, and I can see why.  grin12  Power is only needed for changes in velocity. Constant velocity requires no power at all, in the absence of anything that would cause resistance.

    Escape velocity at typical orbit heights is less (gravity follows an inverse square law) but is still pretty fast. For objects in orbit the speed they are moving at is just enough to balance the gravitational attraction to the earth. They are still falling towards the earth all the time, but they are moving fast enough sideways that they fall all the way around the earth and come back to where they started. Smiley

    ETA: And yes, that explanation is technically correct even if it sounds a bit silly. That really is how orbits work.


    Yeah, I figured as much  Wink

    Oh, oh, oh!  Shades of FFI... Roll Eyes


    It seems that once again I can't for the life of me understand what you're getting at  wacko
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #28 - June 08, 2010, 07:33 AM

    Quote from: Zebedee
    It seems that once again I can't for the life of me understand what you're getting at


    Sorry.  Bit obscure or maybe before your time.  There was a big exodus from FFI after Ali Sina got a bit heavy handed in a discussion over UFOs.

    Did you want to carry on with the right/wrong thing?
  • Re: Life on Saturn's moon Titan?
     Reply #29 - June 08, 2010, 07:38 AM

    Sorry.  Bit obscure or maybe before your time.  There was a big exodus from FFI after Ali Sina got a bit heavy handed in a discussion over UFOs.

    Did you want to carry on with the right/wrong thing?


    Well, I don't know if I'm being 'heavy handed' about it.

    And yeah, I'll probably do it later today when I get back from work  Afro
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