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  • Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     OP - June 15, 2010, 09:00 PM

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    Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
    Mother thought husband was just going to break arms and legs, not kill
    June 15, 2010
    Bob Mitchell

    (Clicky for piccy!)
    Mississauga teen Aqsa Parvez, seen in this undated photo, was found dead in her home on Dec. 10, 2007.
    MISSISSAUGA NEWS

    In a stunning development, Aqsa Parvez’s father and her youngest brother admitted on Tuesday they strangled her in her bedroom.

    Muhammad Parvez, 60, and son Waqas, 29, pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in the 16-year-old Mississauga high school student’s death on the morning of Dec. 10, 2007.

    But whose bare hands were around the Grade 11 student's neck remains unknown.

    In pleading guilty, neither the father nor the son took sole blame for the murder, admitting only that they both were responsible for causing the neck compressions that led to her death.

    Aqsa's blood was on Muhammad's hands when he was arrested after he called 911 and confessed to using his hands to murder his youngest daughter, according to the agreed statement filed as an exhibit in a Brampton courtroom.

    DNA results also showed Waqas's DNA was under Aqsa's right hand finger nails, court was told.

    At the time, Aqsa’s death sent shock waves through the GTA prompting heated debate on the hijab, the challenges of integration for newcomers, and whether or not her death was the GTA’s first crime of honour or a horrible case of domestic violence.

    The young girl ran away twice from home, seeking to have more freedom than she could enjoy living under her father's rigid rules in a traditional Islamic family, court was told.

    Although her father eventually allowed her to wear jeans and shirts to school, instead of her traditional Islamic attire, she was still not permitted to hang out with friends outside the home. Her father refused to let her speak with friends, especially boys, on the telephone and forbid her from getting a part-time job.

    Muhammad also disapproved of, many of her friends and blamed them for his daughter’s poor marks and failing grades.

    Aqsa lived in a bedroom in the basement of their home on Longhorn Trail in Mississauga. Her bedroom was the only one in the house without a door, Crown prosecutor Sandra Caponecchia told the court, reading from the agreed statement.

    The only way for others, including her parents, to get to their room in the basement from inside the house was to walk through Aqsa's doorless bedroom.

    In the days before her death, she told friends her father swore on the Qur'an that he would kill her if she ever ran away again, Caponecchia said.

    Aqsa's mother Anwar Jan and her two other sons, Muhammad Shan and Ahtisham, were in court for the dramatic day's developments.

    In a chilling police interview on the day of Aqsa's murder, her distraught mother, crying and talking out loud to herself, was recorded as saying she thought her husband was only going to “break legs and arms,” but instead “killed her.”

    “Oh God, Oh God. . . Oh my Aqsa, you should have listened,” Anwar Jan said out loud in a police interview room. “Everyone tried to make you understand. Everyone begged you, but you did not listen. . .”

    She earlier told police in her interview that she advised her husband to let their daughter go, not to kill her.

    When she asked him why he killed her, he told her: “This is my insult. My community will say you have not been able to control your daughter. This is my insult. She is making me naked.”

    She said her husband never said he would kill her.

    She told the officer that in her Pakistani culture, if a daughter doesn't listen to her parents, she is punished. “Either they kill the girl or turn her out of the house,” she said.

    If Aqsa had been living in Pakistan, her husband would have “killed her there too. . .”

    Aqsa was slain around 7:30 a.m.

    Muhammad called 911 just before 8 a.m. and confessed to strangling his daughter. Waqas was initially charged with obstructing police but then was suddenly arrested six months later and charged with first-degree murder

    His arrest came soon after police intercepted a conversation between him and a driver, who worked for the same tow truck company.

    In the electronically-recorded conversation, Waqas admitted choking her until she died.

    Tow truck driver Steve Warda told police earlier that Waqas asked if he could get him a gun because he was going to kill his sister but his father would take the blame.

    Tuesday's plea means they will be sentenced to automatic term of life in prison.

    The father and son were scheduled to stand trial for first-degree murder next January.

    Victim-impact statements are expected to be read into the record later on Tuesday.


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #1 - June 15, 2010, 09:12 PM

    Selfish, evil men. Very difficult to read shit like this and not want to do some long, drawn-out wetwork on scum like this personally.

    fuck you
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #2 - June 15, 2010, 09:14 PM

    Is it really permissible to kill your daughter according to Islam? I mean seriously. Where do you get the necessary hadiths and verses to murder your daughter by choking her to death? And then having your son assist you?

    I'm just trying to understand how you can do this to your own daughter and sister? I don't understand how you can murder a human being let alone your daughter.
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #3 - June 15, 2010, 09:21 PM

    Is it really permissible to kill your daughter according to Islam? I mean seriously. Where do you get the necessary hadiths and verses to murder your daughter by choking her to death? And then having your son assist you?


    Not specifically... unless a Muslim does this
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    In the days before her death, she told friends her father swore on the Qur'an that he would kill her if she ever ran away again


    Swearing on the Quran makes a thing wajib. Fucked up, I know, but that's the beauty of Islam for ya. Infallibility means never having to think for yourself anymore. The father was obviously nutters. But if it wasn't for Islam's strident views on the ownership of women's bodies by men, this would not have been as easy for this douchebag to justify. Not to mention for his wife, the MOTHER, to go along with. That stupid woman is still blaming the dead daughter!!!

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #4 - June 15, 2010, 09:24 PM

    Yeah exactly good points I mean she was OK with her arms and legs being broken?  wacko
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #5 - June 15, 2010, 09:33 PM

    I don't blame this man alone. I blame this filthy disgusting culture he comes from. Our cultures (arab, desi) are rife with this judgmental "honor" rule. I blame every one of this man's family friends (ie the 'uncles') his own father and mother who raised him with this attitude. This man is no evil individual, he's merely a symptom of a rotting and judgmental tribal culture that needs to die.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #6 - June 15, 2010, 09:35 PM

    The crazy part is his is son, didn't this motherfucker grow up in a western society? How the fuck can this mentality still be in your mind? I mean violent mentality and I'm gonna fucking tell on you or preaching mentality.
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #7 - June 15, 2010, 09:37 PM

    I would ask and think, why, why and why... But I could never understand, how could a parent do that to their own child  Cry
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #8 - June 15, 2010, 09:42 PM

    Not specifically... unless a Muslim does this
    Swearing on the Quran makes a thing wajib. Fucked up, I know, but that's the beauty of Islam for ya. Infallibility means never having to think for yourself anymore. The father was obviously nutters. But if it wasn't for Islam's strident views on the ownership of women's bodies by men, this would not have been as easy for this douchebag to justify. Not to mention for his wife, the MOTHER, to go along with. That stupid woman is still blaming the dead daughter!!!

    If she is a virgin, her punishment is 80 lashes. It doesn't matter if her dad swore on the Quran. Killing one's daughter for having sex is haram according to Sharia.
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #9 - June 15, 2010, 09:43 PM

    Is it really permissible to kill your daughter according to Islam? I mean seriously. Where do you get the necessary hadiths and verses to murder your daughter by choking her to death? And then having your son assist you?

    I'm just trying to understand how you can do this to your own daughter and sister? I don't understand how you can murder a human being let alone your daughter.


    Posted by me here :http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=10636.msg280940#msg280940 June 09, 2010

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    Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I have just read this on a Danish Blog and I am deeply shocked.

    It is supposedly from the Sunni Shafi´i school



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    retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).



    http://snaphanen.dk/

    Do many Sunni Muslims adhere to this school ?

     

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

    Khaled Hosseini - A thousand splendid suns.
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #10 - June 15, 2010, 09:46 PM

    *yawn*
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #11 - June 15, 2010, 09:47 PM

    Not specifically... unless a Muslim does this
    Swearing on the Quran makes a thing wajib. Fucked up, I know, but that's the beauty of Islam for ya. Infallibility means never having to think for yourself anymore. The father was obviously nutters. But if it wasn't for Islam's strident views on the ownership of women's bodies by men, this would not have been as easy for this douchebag to justify. Not to mention for his wife, the MOTHER, to go along with. That stupid woman is still blaming the dead daughter!!!



    Ok, for me I wasn't taught it that way.  My father always told me that whilst swearing to do something made it mandatory, swearing to do something bad, you could change it and allah would understand.

    Like when I would swear by allah I would never talk to my sister again, he would tell me that swearing something bad like that was bad and not then something I was bound too anymore.

    Anyway, these stories are always so upsetting. 

    Even the mother, believing he was just going to break arms and legs.  I could never ever do that or see that happen to my kids, it's beyond me to understand how that becomes acceptable to someone.  I look at my kids and I know I would rather die myself.

    I hope even she gets punished.  She was aware of it, knew the possibility and was prepared to stand by while her 16yr old daughter gets tortured.

    All of them, it's just not right at all.  The last face she saw was an evil face.   Cry

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #12 - June 15, 2010, 09:47 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCq1VlCRHyI


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfnSAqxwj3c


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf-kEkIKuJU


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rT_jm0pW6c

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #13 - June 15, 2010, 09:48 PM

    If she is a virgin, her punishment is 80 lashes. It doesn't matter if her dad swore on the Quran. Killing one's daughter for having sex is haram according to Sharia.


    Of course killing per se is haraam. But ownership of women's bodies, is what this is about. The infallible, perfect, timeless Quran gives ownership of women to men. A man who is nutters can easily take that to the extreme as in this case. In other cases, things may not get this extreme, but the fathers, brothers and husbands are still considered the owners ("guardians") of women's bodies. The women are property of the mahram men. It's fertile ground for crimes like these. Note that I'm not saying that Islam allows it, but Islam, Quran, Hadiths (as well as the Bible) do justify the owning a woman's body (by men of her family, not herself).

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #14 - June 15, 2010, 09:50 PM

    Even the mother, believing he was just going to break arms I hope even she gets punished.  She was aware of it, knew the possibility and was prepared to stand by while her 16yr old daughter gets tortured.

    All of them, it's just not right at all.  The last face she saw was an evil face.   Cry


    The mom definitely deserves to go to jail - accomplice plain and simple. And they should expand these honor killing cases to the whole ethnic community too. Its they that set the cultural conditions that let this happen.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #15 - June 15, 2010, 09:51 PM

    Ok, for me I wasn't taught it that way.  My father always told me that whilst swearing to do something made it mandatory, swearing to do something bad, you could change it and allah would understand.


    Yes most people do believe that. That's why there are not more cases like these, I suppose.

    Even the mother, believing he was just going to break arms and legs...........

    I hope even she gets punished.  She was aware of it, knew the possibility and was prepared to stand by while her 16yr old daughter gets tortured.


    Yes, I don't like that the mother hasn't been charged as an accessory yet. furious

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #16 - June 15, 2010, 09:52 PM

    @allat, sorry I though you were talking about killing.
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #17 - June 15, 2010, 09:53 PM

    I don't blame this man alone. I blame this filthy disgusting culture he comes from. Our cultures (arab, desi) are rife with this judgmental "honor" rule. I blame every one of this man's family friends (ie the 'uncles') his own father and mother who raised him with this attitude.


    Agree.

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    This man is no evil individual


    Disagree. Not every male from that culture kills their daughter for such disobedience. Not every wife allows her husband to do it without resistance and continues to blame the daughter. This is because those who don't have a conscience that overrides their cultural mandates. They obviously did not possess a strong enough conscience or strong enough will/courage. They are evil.

    fuck you
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #18 - June 15, 2010, 09:57 PM

    No probs IA. I do agree that there seems to be a serious psychosis in the father, and an enabler complex in the mother (though I'm no shrink). But that's on a micro/psychological level. On the social level, there really is not a huge step between 80 lashes and murder. I mean, let's be real here. There's a much bigger step between "Let's let the girls do what they want as long as they're not harming anyone" to lash 'em 80 times if they overstep the narrow confines of medieval Islamic piety. Don't know if I'm making sense... I'm extremely furious right now, though I've been following this story since it first happened.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #19 - June 15, 2010, 10:00 PM

    Disagree. Not every male from that culture kills their daughter for such disobedience. Not every wife allows her husband to do it without resistance and continues to blame the daughter. This is because those who don't have a conscience that overrides their cultural mandates. They obviously did not possess a strong enough conscience or strong enough will/courage. They are evil.


    They just seem more like dumb savage brutes rather than purely evil people. A certain level of premidation is required for me to call something evil. These men are usually so consumed and obsesed with tribal honor they lose themselves in this madness. I've seen glimmers of it in my dad, but most bengali men are emasculated so it happens less in our culture.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #20 - June 15, 2010, 10:08 PM

    Didn't say they were purely evil, but at the time they did it, they certainly were. And any of them continuing to blame the daughter still are.

    One does not have to be completely cold, callous, or totally lacking in conscience to be evil. But whatever "tribal madness" they were caught up in, whatever collective blame there is to go around, murdering your own daughter for staying out too late is universally, unquestionably, and objectively an evil act-- and unless this man was clinically psychotic, he had to be evil on some level and at some point to have committed such an act.

    If a mob attacked these men and disemboweled them alive, not only would I feel no sympathy, I would cheer. Assess all the collective guilt you want, as individuals they are still guilty as fuckin sin.

    fuck you
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #21 - June 15, 2010, 10:08 PM

    emasculated Grin Abu Yunuuus
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #22 - June 15, 2010, 10:10 PM

    Didn't say they were purely evil, but at the time they did it, they certainly were. And any of them continuing to blame the daughter still are.

    One does not have to be completely cold, callous, or totally lacking in conscience to be evil. But whatever "tribal madness" they were caught up in, whatever collective blame there is to go around, murdering your own daughter for staying out too late is universally, unquestionably, and objectively an evil act-- and unless this man was clinically psychotic, he had to be evil on some level and at some point to have committed such an act.

    If a mob attacked these men and disemboweled them alive, not only would I feel no sympathy, I would cheer. Assess all the collective guilt you want, as individuals they are still guilty as fuckin sin.


    Don't get me wrong. I'd be part of that mob. Fuck him, his son and the mother too.

    I guess I just don't use the word evil much to describe anything.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #23 - June 15, 2010, 10:10 PM

    No probs IA. I do agree that there seems to be a serious psychosis in the father, and an enabler complex in the mother (though I'm no shrink). But that's on a micro/psychological level. On the social level, there really is not a huge step between 80 lashes and murder. I mean, let's be real here. There's a much bigger step between "Let's let the girls do what they want as long as they're not harming anyone" to lash 'em 80 times if they overstep the narrow confines of medieval Islamic piety. Don't know if I'm making sense... I'm extremely furious right now, though I've been following this story since it first happened.

    No I agree with that and I'm not saying lashing is OK. Not even one lash let alone 80.
    I was responding specifically to BD's question.

    According to Shariah, there needs to be 4 witnesses. Not 2 not 3 but 4. And they have to have witnessed the act of fornication (penetrative intercourse). Spooning or kissing is not enough.
    If they are virgin they get 80 lashes. If they are married, they get stoned to death.

    Simple just religion  Smiley
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #24 - June 15, 2010, 10:12 PM

    The question is. Will this man really be respected? I mean honestly?
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #25 - June 15, 2010, 10:14 PM

    The question is. Will this man really be respected? I mean honestly?


    Respected by whom?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #26 - June 15, 2010, 10:16 PM

    By his community. The people he was afraid of. That would shame him or at least think he should be ashamed. These people. Will they really respect him now? Will they get together at dinners and outings and go Abu Fulan what a man. I would kill to be in his place but unfortunately all my daughters are subordinated robots.
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #27 - June 15, 2010, 10:18 PM

    They will not be public about it. Not most of them. But many of the men will be very satisfied as it will instill fear into some of their daughters. They definitely won't beat their chests in mourning for Aqsa. At best they will act like nothing ever happened.

    Most will blame the father, not for killing his daughter.. but for embarrasing their ethnic community.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #28 - June 15, 2010, 10:18 PM

    Jesus it's like the fucking mob or something.
  • Re: Father and son plead guilty to murdering Aqsa Parvez
     Reply #29 - June 15, 2010, 10:19 PM

    At best they will act like nothing ever happened.

     yes
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