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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1170 - June 24, 2010, 05:11 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed
    An atheist is of the opinion that Origin of Species is a "better" book than the Qur'an. 

    I'll bite.  How is it "better?"


    Quote from: Cheetah
    It contains zero threats of hellfire...


    That's like saying "The Cat in the Hat is better than Last of the Mohicans because the Hawkeye isn't in it."

    Considering they are both two completely different books with two completely different purposes, what are you using to judge the merits of each in this contest?

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1171 - June 24, 2010, 05:15 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 24, 2010, 05:11 PM
    what are you using to judge the merits of each in this contest?


    Most likely the brain of someone who's not an insane religious fundamentalist.
    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1172 - June 24, 2010, 05:16 PM
    Quote from: DigDug on June 23, 2010, 06:41 PM
    I told you it was a pagan ritual...


    You asked me what it referred to, and I said it was a pagan ritual much to your surprise.  Then you tried to change the rules in a slimey manner.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1173 - June 24, 2010, 05:20 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 23, 2010, 08:30 PM
    I would say Mutazilites have the best overall idea of how one should approach religion, although I don't accept a lot of their beliefs.

    ...everyone insists on their version to be the correct version of Islam EVEN when it contradicts the basic rules.


    I believe the one that should win the "which is the truest/correctest" contest, is the one that sticks to the basic rules the closest overall.  That includes what they believe as well as how they approach their religion.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1174 - June 24, 2010, 05:22 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on June 24, 2010, 05:15 PM
    Most likely the brain of someone who's not an insane religious fundamentalist.


    Flip answers make the discussion very unFun, and provoke flip answers in return that often lead to poor sportsmanship from both parties.  Humor is best served within a serious and respectful answer.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1175 - June 24, 2010, 05:28 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed
    What do you mean "it doesn't work?"  And what do you think it is supposed to do exactly?


    Quote from: IsLame on June 23, 2010, 07:56 PM
    I thought there was a purpose behind 'dua' or can I infer you think its a completely pointless ritual at the end of prayers?


    Of course it has a purpose; du'a/salat are not pointless.  You are the one that said they "don't work."

    Explain.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1176 - June 24, 2010, 05:30 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 24, 2010, 05:22 PM
    Humor is best served within a serious and respectful answer.


    That was a serious and respectful answer.
    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1177 - June 24, 2010, 05:35 PM
    Quote from: @li on June 23, 2010, 08:09 PM
    #1: All species are not in perfect order as you put it.


    Of course they are.  Where was it implied that earth is suposed to function the way paradise functions?  All species have weird/wonky traits but there is one species here that was called to strive beyond their natural wonky traits as part of the Great Game.  Animals do all kinds of stuff that we aren't allowed to do under the Word of God.  It's designed that way.  In our basest nature, we behave like the animals.  With our ability to understand we are called to be more than that.

    Quote from: @li on June 23, 2010, 08:09 PM
    #2: Quran claims that homosexuality is something not even found in animals, which is false.


    Where is this?

    Quote from: @li on June 23, 2010, 08:09 PM
    #3: Homosexuality is found in nature, therefore natural and not a sin or abomination.


    It is a sin when YOU do it.  It's also natural to crack open someone's skull when you are pissed or steal and eat another primate's baby.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1178 - June 24, 2010, 05:37 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on June 24, 2010, 05:30 PM
    That was a serious and respectful answer.


    Respectful to who?  Me or Cheetah?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1179 - June 24, 2010, 05:40 PM
    Both
    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1180 - June 24, 2010, 05:47 PM
    Quote from: @li on June 23, 2010, 08:14 PM
    Not as retarded as believing a pedophile is the prophet of god.


    He was not a pedophile.

    Quote from: @li on June 23, 2010, 08:14 PM
    But anyways, what do you feel about the verse which says 'It is not for the sun to catch up to the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day. Each swims along in its own orbit' (36:40) Given that night DOES outstrip the day, not only during eclipses...


    When an eclipse happens does the world suddenly set their clocks to the PM setting?

    Quote from: @li on June 23, 2010, 08:14 PM
    ...but in Antarctica and North pole there are 6 months of continuous daylight followed by 6 months of continuous night.


    How does 6 months of this followed by 6 months of that imply "outstripping?"

    Quote from: @li on June 23, 2010, 08:14 PM
    Also, how are people in those areas where there are 6 months of day, followed by 6 months of night, supposed to do their prayers (dependant on timings of sun) or do ramadan (dependant on timings of sun)? Why did Allah not leave out any instructions for them?


    I feel that sense the sun serves as nothing more than a marker of time for those events, the people should... using basic common sense... use whatever other reliable time piece their unusual circumstances called for.

    Quote from: @li on June 23, 2010, 08:14 PM
    Lastly, do you accept evolution and if not, why not?


    I believe the controversy involving the DNA strand (I knew I was forgetting something) demonstrates the highest evidence against The Theory of Evolution as understood to mean that everything on earth now evolved from lower, primitive versions of the same all the way back to simple cells in an ancient, fetid pool.

    I do believe in a lesser, individual level of evolution, such as of consciousness.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1181 - June 24, 2010, 05:48 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on June 24, 2010, 05:40 PM
    Both


    You were being respectful to me by saying I was an insane fundamentalist for believing in my religion?

    I suppose it's similar to my saying you will burn in hell for NOT believing in my religion.  Simply proclaiming my belief system is not intended as an attack or insult.

    Is that what you mean?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1182 - June 24, 2010, 05:50 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 24, 2010, 05:48 PM
    You were being respectful to me by saying I was an insane fundamentalist for believing in my religion?


    I gave you exactly as much respect as a religious fundamentalist is due on the topic of the supernatural vs. reason.

    Quote from: MRasheed on June 24, 2010, 05:48 PM
    I suppose it's similar to my saying you will burn in hell for NOT believing in my religion.  Simply proclaiming my belief system is not intended as an attack or insult.

    Is that what you mean?


    Exactly
    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1183 - June 24, 2010, 05:54 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on June 23, 2010, 08:58 PM
    Dah, dah, dah, dah, da daaah. And now a complete sky dive without parachute. " I've got faith", he says. "So I don't need one."


    I don't have a Truth?  Sure I do.  Allah is my Truth. 

    He transcends all mortal mental tools that humans use to study mere creation.  We must use Faith to grasp Him even a little bit, because reason/logic are worthless;  the barrier between Allah and our universe is the singularity that everything else we possess cannot pass.  Faith is all we have in that case.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1184 - June 24, 2010, 05:55 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 24, 2010, 05:28 PM
    Of course it has a purpose; du'a/salat are not pointless.  You are the one that said they "don't work."

    Explain.

    Oh I see, well I thought from an Islamic perspective, Allah does listen and if he's more likely to give you what you want if work & pray in earnest towards it.

    From a secular perspective, remove the word pray from above.

    Agreed?
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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1185 - June 24, 2010, 05:58 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 24, 2010, 05:54 PM
    I don't have a Truth?  Sure I do.  Allah is my Truth. 

    He transcends all mortal mental tools that humans use to study mere creation.  We must use Faith to grasp Him even a little bit, because reason/logic are worthless;  the barrier between Allah and our universe is the singularity that everything else we possess cannot pass.  Faith is all we have in that case.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1186 - June 24, 2010, 05:58 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on June 24, 2010, 05:50 PM
    Exactly


    Then can we agree that since those points in our respective positions are now quite understood between the two of us, that there is no reason to mention such things unless we are deliberately trying to irritate each other?

    I will agree not to bring up your Doomed-Unless-You-Repent status, if you will refrain from calling me insane.

    Deal?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1187 - June 24, 2010, 06:00 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 24, 2010, 05:47 PM
    I do believe in a lesser, individual level of evolution, such as of consciousness.

    What does this mean?
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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1188 - June 24, 2010, 06:03 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 24, 2010, 05:55 PM
    Oh I see, well I thought from an Islamic perspective, Allah does listen and if he's more likely to give you what you want if work & pray in earnest towards it.


    It is my understanding that the purpose of regular prayer is to keep ourselves focused on the Godhead so that we will be less likely to slip into mischief.  We add the things that we want out of life to that regular prayer schedule to keep ourselves focused on the lesser things we strive for in this life.  It is the striving continuously in patient perseverance and determination that will actually get us what we want.

    Quote from: IsLame on June 24, 2010, 05:55 PM
    From a secular perspective, remove the word pray from above.  Agreed?


    I am by no means secular.  Why on earth would I agree to such a thing?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1189 - June 24, 2010, 06:04 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 24, 2010, 06:00 PM
    What does this mean?


    I mean that I accept that individuals can evolve mentally from a party-all-the-time pig state up to a more responsible, unselfish state.  Like that.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1190 - June 24, 2010, 06:07 PM
    Quote
    I am by no means secular.  Why on earth would I agree to such a thing?

    No, I didnt expect you to agree as its from a secular perspective.  However judging by what you just wrote, it appears.  

    But judging by what you just wrote, it appears dua doesnt  get you things in this life so they are tantamount to the same thing i.e. prayers are useless for this life.
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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1191 - June 24, 2010, 06:08 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed on June 24, 2010, 05:58 PM
    Then can we agree that since those points in our respective positions are now quite understand between the two of us, that there is no reason to mention such things unless we are deliberately trying to irritate each other?

    I will agree not to bring up your Doomed-Unless-You-Repent status, if you will refrain from calling me insane.

    Deal?


    No deal.

    I don't care if an insane person thinks I'm going to a non-existent place after my body ceases to function simply because I did not believe in his superstition. Say I'm going to hell all you want-- I don't give a fuck. Well, I do give a fuck that so many people believe in such a nasty, morally and rationally objectionable ideology, but you are one among billions or hundreds of millions (depending on just how many Christians and Muslims agree with the most morally and rationally objectionable parts of their religious dogma), so the fact that one more religious nut is saying it here doesn't irritate me any further.

    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1192 - June 24, 2010, 06:09 PM
    Quote from: MRasheed
    Because I Believe.  I'm a Believer. 

    That's what we do.



    Quote from: sojournerlumus
    So you don't know: you just believe.


    I know what I believe.   001_tongue
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1193 - June 24, 2010, 06:11 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 23, 2010, 07:42 PM
    No the Holy Prophet did not write the Quran, it was compiled underneath Caliph Uthman 20 years after the prophets death, and he was the one who authenticated it.

    So please allow me to ask you again.

    Do you accept the Quran was written & authenticated by man, and it was them who claimed it was protected by Allah?

    (NB: I am not asking about the original words in the prophets time)

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1194 - June 24, 2010, 06:12 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 24, 2010, 06:07 PM
    But judging by what you just wrote, it appears dua doesnt  get you things in this life so they are tantamount to the same thing i.e. prayers are useless for this life.


    No.  How can they be useless in this life, if they perform the function of keeping you focused on tasks you need to complete in order to achieve your goals in the next life?  Without prayer, you would be far less focused and more likely to mess up.

    I would not consider that useless at all.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1195 - June 24, 2010, 06:14 PM
    I said "useless in this life" then you proceeded to give me a long spiel about how its not useless for the after-life.  Nevermind.
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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1196 - June 24, 2010, 06:18 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 24, 2010, 06:11 PM
    whistling2


    I'm sorry but I already answerd that.  Just because you didn't agree with my answer didn't mean it was nullified.  The Qur'an was written down and authenticated by the believers (including Zayd bin Thabit) and the prophet of Allah and had never ceased having the Lord's protection since the very beginning.  Uthman's "version" was the prophet's version.  It is truly stupid to think otherwise considering Uthman's relationship with the prophet.  This is a weak attack with zero common sense I'd expect from a Christian who is bitter when he finds out that the four gospels weren't written anywhere near Jesus' lifetime. 
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1197 - June 24, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 24, 2010, 06:14 PM
    I said "useless in this life" then you proceeded to give me a long spiel about how its not useless for the after-life.  Nevermind.


    Dude.

    I said prayer is used to keep us focused for our afterlife goals and for our lesser earthly goals.  Why are you just skimming my posts like that?  They aren't that long.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1198 - June 24, 2010, 06:22 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on June 24, 2010, 06:08 PM
    No deal.

    I don't care if an insane person thinks I'm going to a non-existent place after my body ceases to function simply because I did not believe in his superstition. Say I'm going to hell all you want-- I don't give a fuck. Well, I do give a fuck that so many people believe in such a nasty, morally and rationally objectionable ideology, but you are one among billions or hundreds of millions (depending on just how many Christians and Muslims agree with the most morally and rationally objectionable parts of their religious dogma), so the fact that one more religious nut is saying it here doesn't irritate me any further.


    So you are saying that you don't mind me saying you will go to hell and you prefer to keep calling me insane.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #1199 - June 24, 2010, 06:26 PM
    I mind that you think it in the sense that I mind that hundreds of millions of other people around the world think it too.

    But do I mind that you say what I already know you and millions of other people already think? No, not really.





    fuck you
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