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 Topic: Peace, All

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #420 - June 21, 2010, 07:38 PM

    Because Allah is Supreme and He does whatsoever He willeth.  

    What he's getting at is that these are all hallmarks of it being manmade. 

    Here are some more..not showing himself, extreme punishment for disbelief, discouraging birth control, suspend your own wills & thoughts, fighting disbelievers, spreading the word.

    Memes are social conventions that get passed from one generation to the next, one example is the religion you follow. 

    For a meme to be as effective as possible then it no matter how it doesn not matter if its the truth or not, it just needs to do the above bits in bold and it will spread.  For a better explained article about memes (although you will have to excuse its extremist nature as the points its makes are good ones despite being extremely biased & sensational http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/10/terrifying-brilliance-of-islamic.html)

    If you create a religion, give it some backbone (like History, a book, any book will do), and a person to propogate the but in bold, then we suggest anything will spread.  On the contrary, even if something is the truth, but it suggests murdering your offspring from birth, then it will never survive.

    Just like when you told Hassan to keep forcing himself to believe, and if it wasnt working, he wasnt trying hard enough.  This is not far from the ultimate truth.  Its caled brainwash.


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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #421 - June 21, 2010, 07:38 PM

    ...one of those arm, leg, leg, arm, head guys?



    ...The hell does that mean? wacko
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #422 - June 21, 2010, 07:38 PM

    Until you die of course...

    That's a hard and fast rule when it comes to the Final revelation of God.


    But I don't believe it is a revelation from God.

    So why I should keep 'acting' like a believer when I find Islam irrational, illogical, unjust and Allah anything but Compassionate or Merciful?

    And you didn't answer my question as to whether this 'method' (act like you believe until you believe) will work for believing Jesus is the son of God? Or Pigs can fly?

    You claimed that you can believe anything, didn't you?

    So if I act like I believe in Christianity, Hinduism, Paganism or pigs can fly - will I eventually believe?

    Why should I (as a disbeliever) choose to spend the rest of my life 'acting' like a Muslim anymore than I should spend the rest of my life 'acting' like a Christian or a pagan?

    After all, they are all the same to me - they are all irrational, illogical etc...

    What I'm trying to understand is how exactly can one be blamed for not believing something that one finds  irrational, cruel and unjust?

    And why should I choose to 'act' like a Muslim - and not choose to 'act' according to one of the many other beliefs I find equally irrational?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #423 - June 21, 2010, 07:43 PM


    ...The hell does that mean? wacko


    this is the best I could find for now...

    http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090126112716AAzsZhi

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation_of_Gods_and_Earths

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #424 - June 21, 2010, 07:43 PM



    Done.   Smiley

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #425 - June 21, 2010, 07:48 PM

    Thanks for answering my questions I asked because I saw your comic where you depicted noah and soloman as black.


    I personally see no reason to assume they weren't.  But since there is no definitive proof one way or the other (and I do not have my copies of J.A. Rogers' books), I find little point in even entertaining an argument about it.   

     
    Do mind me asking if youre one of those arm, leg, leg, arm, head guys?


    Considering that the Five Percenters are an offshoot of the Nation of Islam that is a black nationalist movement that doesn't believe in the afterlife, I am surprised that you asked.  No, I am not.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #426 - June 21, 2010, 07:50 PM

    Also there is this guy...somewhere in these videos he goes through all the prophets and has depictions of them being black and he claims the arabs altered the message of Islam and Muhammad was black along with jesus and all the prophets

    http://www.youtube.com/user/AllEyesOnEgyptTV#p/u/22/vH8jEwsldjc

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #427 - June 21, 2010, 07:55 PM

    I personally see no reason to assume they weren't.  But since there is no definitive proof one way or the other (and I do not have my copies of J.A. Rogers' books), I find little point in even entertaining an argument about it.


    Muslims believe that none of the prophets were black they were from bani israel (Luqman was black but he wasn't considered a prophet). Muhammad was obviously an arab.

    It's just strange because the geneaology of Jesus is the quran and ibrahim  ishmael ishaaq ect... werent black. So it's weird when you say you don't know the race of Moses, david, soloman, Jesus, Muhammad ect.

    Quote
    Considering that the Five Percenters are an offshoot of the Nation of Islam that is a black nationalist movement that doesn't believe in the afterlife, I am surprised that you asked.  No, I am not.


    Ok thanks for clearing this up

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #428 - June 21, 2010, 08:05 PM

    But I don't believe it is a revelation from God.  So why I should keep 'acting' like a believer when I find Islam irrational, illogical, unjust and Allah anything but Compassionate or Merciful?


    That does provide a barrier, doesn't it?

    And you didn't answer my question as to whether this 'method' (act like you believe until you believe) will work for believing Jesus is the son of God? Or Pigs can fly?


    It will only work for the One God of the Qur'an.  As the only God in existence, there is no one else who could do it.

    You claimed that you can believe anything, didn't you?


    I believe that any human has the ability to set their mind towards a particular belief of their choice and live their life according to that belief, yes.

    So if I act like I believe in Christianity, Hinduism, Paganism or pigs can fly - will I eventually believe?


    No.  The technique can only possibly work in Islam.  If you make the effort towards Him, Allah will help aid you.  

    Why should I (as a disbeliever) choose to spend the rest of my life 'acting' like a Muslim anymore than I should spend the rest of my life 'acting' like a Christian or a pagan?


    Well, what if you found out that the 'spirit world' was real with the implication that we do indeed have 'souls' or a spirit body that will continue to exist after this terrestrial body passes away?  Would that help you with the idea that revealed Scripture may be different than what your atheistic mind was lead to believe while on the course of Godlessness?

    What I'm trying to understand is how exactly can one be blamed for not believing something that one finds  irrational, cruel and unjust?


    The rules state that you must believe.  Whether you accept it or not, you cannot say that you don't know the rules.  The rules exist independent of your decision to believe or not.  Your tantrum doesn't nullify the fact that you are blameworthy for rejecting belief, because that is an actual violation of the rules of the game.

    And why should I choose to 'act' like a Muslim - and not choose to 'act' according to one of the many other beliefs I find equally irrational?


    Because Islam is the one your Lord has perfected for you according to the Book that closes the canon of Revealed Sacred Scripture.  It is a matter of faith.

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #429 - June 21, 2010, 08:09 PM

    Muslims believe that none of the prophets were black they were from bani israel (Luqman was black but he wasn't considered a prophet). Muhammad was obviously an arab.


    The Arabs aren't confined to one particular skin coloring.  There are Arabs of all complections.  They were not all "white-skinned."  The same is true of the old Hebrew peoples (the modern folk who respond to the name "jew" are obviously of European stock.  If they are the actual descendants of the Hebrews of the bible, then they are clearly much diluted due to their minglings with the European stock).

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #430 - June 21, 2010, 08:14 PM

    Just like when you told Hassan to keep forcing himself to believe, and if it wasnt working, he wasnt trying hard enough.  This is not far from the ultimate truth.  Its caled brainwash.


    We are ALL brainwashed with SOMETHING.  I myself choose to be brainwashed with the Word of God where I can never go wrong.  Feel free to continue to be brainwashed with whatever the world regurgitates.

    In the end we will see which of us wins.   dance

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #431 - June 21, 2010, 08:18 PM

    In the end we will see which of us wins.   dance

    We will - but this doesnt help as I cant tell you I told you so when we're both dead  Tongue

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #432 - June 21, 2010, 08:18 PM

    The Arabs aren't confined to one particular skin coloring.  There are Arabs of all complections.  They were not all "white-skinned."  The same is true of the old Hebrew peoples (the modern folk who respond to the name "jew" are obviously of European stock.  If they are the actual descendants of the Hebrews of the bible, then they are clearly much diluted due to their minglings with the European stock).


    Thats the feeling I got from reading your posts. You don't seem to be influenced by Islam (quran and sunnah) but by deviant groups like the black israelites ect...

    Middle eastern jews now or ever were not "black/negro/african" nor were the arabs at any point. This couldn't be more clear from quran and hadith.

    You have said many things (other than the race topic) regarding Islam that are grossly incorrect. You seem to just pick and choose what you want to believe and even inject your own beliefs into Islam.

    It would be like me calling myself a Muslim but not believing in Allah, his books, his messengers, his angels, the qiyamah and qadr.

    btw would the prophets not being black effect your belief in Islam?

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #433 - June 21, 2010, 08:22 PM

    Prophets being black? That's a first. I never read that when Muhammad described the prophets he met in the Heaven.

    Although I admit Black Moses would make a great rap name Grin
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #434 - June 21, 2010, 08:25 PM

    Prophets being black? That's a first. I never read that when Muhammad described the prophets he met in the Heaven.

    Although I admit Black Moses would make a great rap name Grin


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv1wbWGds2s

    I'm an asshat.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #435 - June 21, 2010, 08:29 PM

    Why's he dressed like Wonder Woman?

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #436 - June 21, 2010, 08:30 PM

    Yo, Rasheed, welcome. Sorry for the late welcome, and I apologize if you already answered the question(s) I have below (sorry, not wading through 18 pages):

    Those who reject the One God and His message, whose bad deeds outweigh their good deeds and they die in that unrepentant state, of course.   Afro


    Okay, two (EDIT: three) questions--

    (1) Does this mean you think that those who reject Islam, including atheists and apostates, will not be damned if their good deeds outweigh the bad when they die (or on the day of judgment or whatever)?

    (2) What qualifies as "good deeds" and "bad deeds"?

    (3) If "Yes" to (1), then what happens to those non-Muslims who don't go to hell after they die?

    fuck you
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #437 - June 21, 2010, 08:34 PM

    btw how does your wife feel about you hitting her if the circumstances demand it? - as stated in the Qur'an.


    There are no circumstances that would "demand" I hit my wife.  I prefer to take the best meaning from the Qur'an and strive towards the best behavior as a Muslim.

    It was common practice in those days in most cultures for a woman to be ready for marriage the very second she reached pubertyand for the man to be ready when he achieved the money/wealth to enable him to take care of a family.  Consequently it was normal for men in their thirties to have wives in their teens... meaning there was a household full of kids which included the wife.  Kids are kids and sometimes they need a wack or two.  In our age and culture, it is normal for the husband and wife to be of the same age and thus the "wack or two" is no longer appropriate.  

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #438 - June 21, 2010, 08:36 PM

    I believe that any human has the ability to set their mind towards a particular belief of their choice and live their life according to that belief, yes.


    How do you know that your belief that Islam is true is not just as misplaced as a Christian, Mormon, Jehova Witness, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Wiccan, Pagan etc...?

    No.  The technique can only possibly work in Islam.  If you make the effort towards Him, Allah will help aid you.


    So 'acting' like a believer and eventually becoming a believer - will only work with Islam - and if it doesn't work, then one hasn't tried long enough - or been sincere enough. - Is that right?

    I tried for about 5 years. Was that not long enough?

    Can this 'method' ('acting' like a believer and eventually becoming a believer) ever fail - if one is truly sincere?

    Is there any way you would ever accept that someone was sincere and tried but still didn't believe through no fault of his own?

    Well, what if you found out that the 'spirit world' was real with the implication that we do indeed have 'souls' or a spirit body that will continue to exist after this terrestrial body passes away?  Would that help you with the idea that revealed Scripture may be different than what your atheistic mind was lead to believe while on the course of Godlessness?


    Perhaps.

    The rules state that you must believe.  Whether you accept it or not, you cannot say that you don't know the rules. The rules exist independent of your decision to believe or not.


    Which rules are they? The Qur'an is not the only one out there. Is it the ones that say the only way to the father is through his son Jesus Christ and if I don't accept him I will suffer eternal damnation? Or the Hindu belief that I will be reborn into a higher state if I follow their scriptures?

    How do I know which one is right?

    Your tantrum


    Was that necessary?

    Have I been rude to you?

    you are blameworthy for rejecting belief, because that is an actual violation of the rules of the game.


    How can someone be blamed for breaking rules when they have no way of knowing which rules are the ones they shouldn't break?

    There are lots of rules out there?

    You are also breaking rules.

    How can one know which one is right?

    Because Islam is the one your Lord has perfected for you according to the Book that closes the canon of Revealed Sacred Scripture.


    How do I know that?

    It is a matter of faith.


    Very true!

    But Christians, Hindus, Mormons, Jehova Witness', etc... all have faith.

    Why should having faith in something that contradicts reason be a good basis for eternal joy or eternal torture?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #439 - June 21, 2010, 08:37 PM


    those guys are fucking racists, it would be better 4 them to go get some decent clotheses

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #440 - June 21, 2010, 08:39 PM

    Prophets being black? That's a first. I never read that when Muhammad described the prophets he met in the Heaven.

    Although I admit Black Moses would make a great rap name Grin


    Isn´t there a hadith about somebody riding next to Muhammed who happened to see Muhamme´s thigh, because a breeze lifted his kaftan or thobe or whatever and remarked upon how white it was ?

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #441 - June 21, 2010, 08:40 PM



     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    germans Grin
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #442 - June 21, 2010, 08:41 PM

    Isn´t there a hadith about somebody riding next to Muhammed who happened to see Muhamme´s thigh, because a breeze lifted his kaftan or thobe or whatever and remarked upon how white it was ?


    yupp there are other hadiths that describe him as being white.
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #443 - June 21, 2010, 08:41 PM

    those guys are fucking racists, it would be better 4 them to go get some decent clotheses


    yupp  Afro
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #444 - June 21, 2010, 08:43 PM

    Kids are kids and sometimes they need a wack or two.  

    No they dont.  It depends on the parent not on the kid.  I know plenty of parents (myself included) who have never hit their child, and never intend to do so.

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  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #445 - June 21, 2010, 08:45 PM

    We will - but this doesnt help as I cant tell you I told you so when we're both dead  Tongue


    Don't worry about it.  i wonder how long it'll take you to reach the bottom--?

  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #446 - June 21, 2010, 08:49 PM

    There are no circumstances that would "demand" I hit my wife.  I prefer to take the best meaning from the Qur'an and strive towards the best behavior as a Muslim.

    It was common practice in those days in most cultures for a woman to be ready for marriage the very second she reached pubertyand for the man to be ready when he achieved the money/wealth to enable him to take care of a family.  Consequently it was normal for men in their thirties to have wives in their teens... meaning there was a household full of kids which included the wife.  Kids are kids and sometimes they need a wack or two.  In our age and culture, it is normal for the husband and wife to be of the same age and thus the "wack or two" is no longer appropriate.  


    Are you saying a Muslim must now - in this day and age - never resort to hitting his wife?

    What else in the Qur'an is no longer applicable?

    Who decides?
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #447 - June 21, 2010, 08:50 PM

    MRasheed think for a moment, try to imagine that christianity is the true religion(it is an exemple), then even that you had faith in god as a muslim, when you die he sent you to hell, just cause you didn't believed that the christ died in the cross. Try to imagine that happening to you, would you think that god is fear??

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. "
    "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world. "
    --Buddha
  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #448 - June 21, 2010, 08:55 PM

    Yo, Rasheed, welcome.


    Thanks!  Glad to be here!

    (1) Does this mean you think that those who reject Islam, including atheists and apostates, will not be damned if their good deeds outweigh the bad when they die (or on the day of judgment or whatever)?


    I believe that if you do not have belief in the One who made you, your deeds will be as worthless as dust blowing on the wind or whatever.  Believe in God, do good deeds, reject evil is the Message. 

    (2) What qualifies as "good deeds" and "bad deeds"?


    What God listed them as in the Word, of course.


  • Re: Peace, All
     Reply #449 - June 21, 2010, 08:56 PM

    Don't worry about it.  

    I dont

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    I wonder how long it'll take you to reach the bottom--?

    Bottom of what?

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