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 Topic: Rick Strassman on DMT

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  • Rick Strassman on DMT
     OP - June 22, 2010, 07:40 PM

    @MRasheed:

    You posted that you feel there is some connection between Islam and DMT. Could you please elucidate your position?
    Thanks  Smiley

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #1 - June 22, 2010, 08:15 PM

     Huh?

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #2 - June 22, 2010, 08:24 PM

     popcorn

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #3 - June 22, 2010, 08:26 PM

     Undecided

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #4 - June 22, 2010, 08:30 PM

    Dr. Strassman's study revealed that the DMT 'trip' is actually our brains tuning in to a different frequency enabling us to experience different realities or universes, all with different rules and entities.  Our bodies make DMT naturally and it is in certain circumstances that the levels get high enough to cause the 'trip.'  There are 2% of the human population that have the ability to trip without the aid of outside stimuli (the prophets were clearly in this category) such as ritual movement, meditation, and natural so-called "hallucinogenic" substances.

    The field is still brand new, but the door has been opened.  The path to other realms is now ready to be mapped by science.  Allah is the Lord of all the worlds.  We thought He was only talking about our universe's planets, right?

    Quote from: z10
    This is an interpretation of the results - there's nothing to suggest this is the correct interpretation becuase there are other viable intepretations aswell. Positing an ontological "spiritual" world is only an assumption at this stage.


    It's still fascinating with the facts seeming to lean in that direction.  How do you interpret them?

  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #5 - June 22, 2010, 08:33 PM

    The field is still brand new, but the door has been opened.  The path to other realms is now ready to be mapped by science.  Allah is the Lord of all the worlds.


    Prove it.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #6 - June 22, 2010, 08:42 PM

    He's wrong about the 'field' being brand new. Timothy Leary and co were doing it in the 1960s and all it got them was a bad headache.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #7 - June 22, 2010, 09:31 PM

    @MRasheed:

    You posted that you feel there is some connection between Islam and DMT. Could you please elucidate your position?
    Thanks  Smiley


    Cuz Muhammad was high on that shit 24/7!
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #8 - June 22, 2010, 10:32 PM


    It's still fascinating with the facts seeming to lean in that direction.  How do you interpret them?


    Well, Dr. Strassman's study involved injecting doses of DMT into volunteers and relying on their own accounts of the experiences they had to draw conclusions about the effect of the drug. Now, this method itself seems to me to require a lot of scepticism. There are many hallucinatory drugs that can induce strong visions such as are found in magic mushrooms, acid and even in marijuana but you will be hard pressed to find anybody that will seriously argue that unicorns exist just because they saw unicorns on an acid trip.

    However, I agree with you that this is fascinating. Perhaps a better way of looking at it than just arguing for a "seperate realm of existence" to which we have opened a trap door by injecting ourselves with DMT it would be better to understand what this means about this one reality we do know about. Clearly, and some of Strassman's patients experienced this, there have been great bouts of euphoria on the drug, mystical experiences even of union with god and at the same time there have been horrendous experiences where people have literally felt themselves to be raped by crocodiles (I am not joking). Every single one of his patients felt their trip to be without a doubt reality, they did not think it was anything like a dream state. After all, you are right that DMT is present in our minds but it is the drug most associated with dreaming and yet in this case the trip felt nothing like a dream.

    Perhaps there is more to this than just an hallucination. Perhaps this points to some sort of ontological idealism: I am certainly not against a metaphysic that has experiences as central and can explain the fascinating variety of experiences we travel through.

    However, my dear friend, none of this whatsoever establishes a link between DMT and Islam. Perhaps you can explain that better?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #9 - June 22, 2010, 11:14 PM

    The Dr. states on his own website that these things are 'highly speculative.' I think Mr Rasheed is really stretching it in trying to claim that it proves the existence of a supernatural dimension, let alone that the existence of this dimension proves Islam to be true.
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #10 - June 23, 2010, 05:51 PM

    Well, Dr. Strassman's study involved injecting doses of DMT into volunteers and relying on their own accounts of the experiences they had to draw conclusions about the effect of the drug. Now, this method itself seems to me to require a lot of scepticism. There are many hallucinatory drugs that can induce strong visions such as are found in magic mushrooms, acid and even in marijuana but you will be hard pressed to find anybody that will seriously argue that unicorns exist just because they saw unicorns on an acid trip.


    The part that leans towards the evidence of DMT tuning our brains towards another universe's frequency and actually glimpsing another realm during the so-called 'trip' (and the part that convinced Dr. Strassman as well) was the fact that as they returned to a new trip, the beings from the previous one were actually waiting in anticipation for their return. 

    However, I agree with you that this is fascinating. Perhaps a better way of looking at it than just arguing for a "seperate realm of existence" to which we have opened a trap door by injecting ourselves with DMT it would be better to understand what this means about this one reality we do know about.


    This merely reflects the difference in opinion when observing facts between a believer and an atheist.

    Clearly, and some of Strassman's patients experienced this, there have been great bouts of euphoria on the drug, mystical experiences even of union with god and at the same time there have been horrendous experiences where people have literally felt themselves to be raped by crocodiles (I am not joking). Every single one of his patients felt their trip to be without a doubt reality, they did not think it was anything like a dream state. After all, you are right that DMT is present in our minds but it is the drug most associated with dreaming and yet in this case the trip felt nothing like a dream.


    Sometimes dreams can come close to those feelings, and I suspect it has to do with how high a person's DMT is during REM sleep.

    Perhaps there is more to this than just an hallucination.


    "Hallucination" is clearly aterm and accompanying meaning equal to past "learned men" saying that the earth was flat. 

    However, my dear friend, none of this whatsoever establishes a link between DMT and Islam. Perhaps you can explain that better?


    Well, I can see why you wouldn't see the link if you don't think that the facts of the study lean towards the idea that the DMT 'tripping' brain is actually seeing into different other-realms.  But can you see the link if you do attempt to see it from that point of view?

  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #11 - June 23, 2010, 06:13 PM

    Prove it.

  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #12 - June 24, 2010, 10:19 AM

    "Hallucination" is clearly aterm and accompanying meaning equal to past "learned men" saying that the earth was flat. 

    Funny you say that since it was the religious folks who were the most against the idea of a heliocentric universe.
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #13 - June 24, 2010, 10:25 AM

    Quote
    Dr. Strassman's study revealed that the DMT 'trip' is actually our brains tuning in to a different frequency enabling us to experience different realities or universes, all with different rules and entities.  Our bodies make DMT naturally and it is in certain circumstances that the levels get high enough to cause the 'trip.'  There are 2% of the human population that have the ability to trip without the aid of outside stimuli (the prophets were clearly in this category) such as ritual movement, meditation, and natural so-called "hallucinogenic" substances.


    Oh Mr. Rasheed I like your Islam  Afro

    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #14 - June 24, 2010, 10:32 AM

    The part that leans towards the evidence of DMT tuning our brains towards another universe's frequency and actually glimpsing another realm during the so-called 'trip' (and the part that convinced Dr. Strassman as well) was the fact that as they returned to a new trip, the beings from the previous one were actually waiting in anticipation for their return.

    Awesome, mate. So what you're saying is if someone goes tripping off their nut and sees purple flying elephants then the next time they go tripping off their nut they might see purple flying elephants too, and of course this could only mean that there really are purple flying elephants in another universe.

    I like your logic. parrot

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  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #15 - June 24, 2010, 06:27 PM

    Quote from: osmanthus
    Awesome, mate. So what you're saying is if someone goes tripping off their nut and sees purple flying elephants then the next time they go tripping off their nut they might see purple flying elephants too, and of course this could only mean that there really are purple flying elephants in another universe.


    lol

    You'll understand once you read the actual case studies.  It will freak you out. Wink

  • Re: Rick Strassman on DMT
     Reply #16 - June 25, 2010, 12:01 AM

    Link me up, brother.  bunny

    ETA: Nevermind. Z10 hooked me up. Haven't had time to read it yet.

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