Asylum seekers in UK

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Re: Asylum seekers in UK
Reply #30 - September 20, 2012, 07:28 AM

Quote from: Yume89 on September 20, 2012, 02:46 AM
by what right?

As I understand it, asylum used to be termed ‘political asylum’. It was for those whose personal actions and openly-expressed beliefs left them in danger in their own countries. The leadership of the ANC found refuge in London in the 1960s (yippee). As did the Ayatollah Khomenei in Paris in the 70s (hmmm). The numbers of such people were necessarily small.

At some point the ‘political’ was dropped, and ‘asylum’ became a broad category that could include almost anyone from a list of officially wretched countries. As people spotted the opportunity of a better life (and who can blame them?), numbers of applications soared. But they were by and large not political activists.

When you make an asylum claim somewhere you are basically telling that country, and, by extension, its people, that they have a moral responsibility for your welfare. They may agree or disagree. They may send you back to a wretched life or offer you preferential access to scarce social housing. It's messy and morally difficult.

I’m not sure if the many Somalis in my old borough of Hammersmith and Fulham quite realise that the homes they occupy are unavailable to locals black or white. Their demeanour doesn’t suggest they are very grateful for this privilege, but they have been encouraged by the system to think of it as their right. A right denied to others with deeper roots in the community. It’s fiendishly tricky.

If only countries were cool-headed and honest enough to say exactly what they can offer to how many and from where. But instead they shirk the issue. People suffer and political ill-will festers.
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Reply #31 - September 20, 2012, 01:13 PM

Quote from: David on September 20, 2012, 05:26 AM
And pretty pink piglets will fly in circles overhead.

I'm sorry you're in such a pickle, Yume.

Lol. Who knows what will happen! I have an old English friend who told me that he can take care of me. I mean he's interested.. but again I don't want to live near Muslims
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Reply #32 - September 20, 2012, 01:18 PM

Quote from: Yume89 on September 20, 2012, 01:13 PM
I don't want to live near Muslims

Invest in a pair of these then.
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You'll need them in Devon.
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Reply #33 - September 20, 2012, 01:36 PM

Quote from: David on September 20, 2012, 07:28 AM
As I understand it, asylum used to be termed ‘political asylum’. It was for those whose personal actions and openly-expressed beliefs left them in danger in their own countries. The leadership of the ANC found refuge in London in the 1960s (yippee). As did the Ayatollah Khomenei in Paris in the 70s (hmmm). The numbers of such people were necessarily small.

At some point the ‘political’ was dropped, and ‘asylum’ became a broad category that could include almost anyone from a list of officially wretched countries. As people spotted the opportunity of a better life (and who can blame them?), numbers of applications soared. But they were by and large not political activists.

When you make an asylum claim somewhere you are basically telling that country, and, by extension, its people, that they have a moral responsibility for your welfare. They may agree or disagree. They may send you back to a wretched life or offer you preferential access to scarce social housing. It's messy and morally difficult.

I’m not sure if the many Somalis in my old borough of Hammersmith and Fulham quite realise that the homes they occupy are unavailable to locals black or white. Their demeanour doesn’t suggest they are very grateful for this privilege, but they have been encouraged by the system to think of it as their right. A right denied to others with deeper roots in the community. It’s fiendishly tricky.

If only countries were cool-headed and honest enough to say exactly what they can offer to how many and from where. But instead they shirk the issue. People suffer and political ill-will festers.

I think I have to read more about this issue. But I hope that I will never try asylum!!
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Reply #34 - September 20, 2012, 01:38 PM

Quote from: shilakijawani on September 20, 2012, 06:52 AM
Damn, FGM? I thought you were somewhere in the gulf, does it happen in arab countries too?

Have you thought about going overseas under the pretense to study? Or going back to university, getting a degree that you can get a job through, then running away from home and getting a job?

Yes I live in one of the GCC countries. FGM isn't common in my country btw.
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Reply #35 - September 20, 2012, 01:41 PM

Quote from: David on September 20, 2012, 01:18 PM
Invest in a pair of these then.
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(Clicky for piccy!)

You'll need them in Devon.

Haha! I think Devon is too cold to me!
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Reply #36 - September 20, 2012, 11:49 PM

Quote from: Yume89 on September 20, 2012, 01:41 PM
Haha! I think Devon is too cold to me!

When you've been born in hot countires as we have, the whole of Britain is too cold.

You get the odd glorious balmy day where everything is inexpressibly beautiful, but all it really does is remind you of how rare such days are.

I hope you don't need to claim asylum too, Yume. It sounds as if you have the education, spirit (and cash) to be able to make a life of your own choosing. Tread carefully, try to study abroad, keep reminding your mother you love her, and surrepticiously slip the net.

But if they try to force you to marry, run like hell.
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Reply #37 - September 20, 2012, 11:53 PM

^ Thank you Davey
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Reply #38 - September 21, 2012, 12:13 AM

Only my sisters call me Davey. Howdy, sis.

(No-one calls me Dave and lives.)
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Reply #39 - September 21, 2012, 12:23 AM

Hey Dave
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Reply #40 - September 21, 2012, 12:31 AM

I have machetes on two continents, but didn't think I'd need one in Japan.

I'll get back to you when I've saved up for a Samurai sword, Aurora.
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Reply #41 - September 21, 2012, 01:11 AM

Quote from: David on September 21, 2012, 12:13 AM
Only my sisters call me Davey. Howdy, sis.

(No-one calls me Dave and lives.)

Hello bro

One of the main characters in my first novel was called 'Davey' but I changed his name because some Americans protested
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