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OP - June 28, 2010, 08:56 PM

i'am wondering what do muslim women, think about liberal men.
i'am asking because, being liberal when i talked about women's position with muslim girls, i felt that they were not trying to defend their rights, and were more on the"men's side", and i saw that they were disturbed to see that a boy were for woman's right, when i tell things like "it is not normal that a lady has not equal right as her husband" they try to avoid the conversation, and look me like "is this guy crazy?, is he serious?", also many muslim woman in western countries are claiming that they want the right to wear hijab. i know they are many who are forced to act like they are happy that way but there also are some who are brainwashed to the point that tey really are, so what do they think about liberal men who are fighting for women's right, do they think they are perverts, crazy, gays, or what??

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Reply #1 - June 28, 2010, 09:47 PM

Muslim women are the house slaves of Massa Allah's plantation field.
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Reply #2 - June 28, 2010, 11:22 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on June 28, 2010, 09:47 PM
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Reply #3 - June 29, 2010, 12:06 AM

I think many of them are afraid to freely express their opinions. They fear that if they speak out against the clerical and partiarchial establishment, they will be ostracized by society.
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Reply #4 - June 29, 2010, 12:08 AM

The power of society to call a woman a whore is a pretty powerful one.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #5 - June 29, 2010, 12:14 AM

^ I love the concision of this guy
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Reply #6 - June 29, 2010, 12:18 AM

some love em some hate em. the liberal ones love em the conservative ones hate em.

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Reply #7 - June 29, 2010, 05:17 AM

Can you define 'liberal' more specifically please?
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Reply #8 - June 29, 2010, 09:57 PM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on June 29, 2010, 12:06 AM
I think many of them are afraid to freely express their opinions. They fear that if they speak out against the clerical and partiarchial establishment, they will be ostracized by society.

i know but there are some who really want to be slaves, they really does think that it should be like that.
Quote from: canex on June 29, 2010, 12:18 AM
the liberal ones love em

So there are some muslim women, who really trust that it is god's will that they are slave to men, but also like the one fighting to free them from what is right? it don't make sense.
Quote from: wizzie on June 29, 2010, 05:17 AM
Can you define 'liberal' more specifically please?

I don't think it is too hard to understand in general liberal are people fighting for liberty of expression, human's rights, women rights, racial equality,....
In this topic it is more about people standing for women's rights.

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Reply #9 - June 29, 2010, 10:40 PM

I don't know about other muslim women, but when I considered myself muslim I would have welcomed a liberal guy, as long as he considered himself a muslim.

I actually thought the muslim man I married was liberal because he was a completely different man when I first met him. I think the risk with guys who appear liberal is that they can switch to fundamentalists at any time.

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Reply #10 - June 29, 2010, 10:45 PM

Some Muslim women like a man to be - let's say - a little misogynistic - that's what they have been used to expecting and they don't know how to react to one who isn't. They even see your soft and equality stance as a weakness in you!

I have personally suffered from this phenomena!
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Reply #11 - June 30, 2010, 09:58 AM

Yeah Hass, I've come across the same thing in Arabic communities. Be a man, be angry, be dominant.
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Reply #12 - June 30, 2010, 11:24 AM

Lets take my sister for example. She is what I would call a fundamentalist and accepts her role as a Muslim woman as defined by Wahabbi clerics. However, because it is the word of God and his messenger that this is how a woman must be, she thinks it is the right thing for her to wear an abaya, and be answerable to her husband etc etc. And she has a great deal of contempt for people who try to have liberal interpretations of Islam and about women in Islam (like my other sister!)

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Reply #13 - June 30, 2010, 01:35 PM

women in the arab world or at least in egypt.. are used to have all there opinions criticized as being naive and less intelligent so they find it a liberal guy kinda weird. Try standing with egy girls and tell them "intelligence has nothing to do with gender".
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Reply #14 - June 30, 2010, 01:40 PM

Muslim women are the house slaves of Massa Allah's plantation field.
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Reply #15 - June 30, 2010, 03:37 PM

Same reason people in various parts of the US and other places, often vote against their own best interests: (1) They are programmed by those with more power/influence to think their own best interest is not their own best interest. And (2) They do it out of habit/tradition because they've been programmed to believe that changing those things are beyond their capabilities.

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Reply #16 - June 30, 2010, 04:29 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on June 29, 2010, 10:40 PM
I actually thought the muslim man I married was liberal because he was a completely different man when I first met him. I think the risk with guys who appear liberal is that they can switch to fundamentalists at any time.

That's the problem i think liberal-muslim is kinda a paradox, maybe lot of young muslims appear liberal or even have sincere liberal views, but when they get older they began to think further and understand that they have to make a choice, and most of them turn back to they religion's fundamentalism
Quote from: Hassan on June 29, 2010, 10:45 PM
Some Muslim women like a man to be - let's say - a little misogynistic - that's what they have been used to expecting and they don't know how to react to one who isn't. They even see your soft and equality stance as a weakness in you!

I have personally suffered from this phenomena!

But how things can advance if even the victims aren't trying to make a change? i mean what are we supposed to do for making them understand that those guys aren't weak but trying to help em, and that it is even a strength, that they are even more respectful than the other stupid machos??

Quote from: BlackDog on June 30, 2010, 09:58 AM
Yeah Hass, I've come across the same thing in Arabic communities. Be a man, be angry, be dominant.

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Quote from: kimo on June 30, 2010, 01:35 PM
women in the arab world or at least in egypt.. are used to have all there opinions criticized as being naive and less intelligent so they find it a liberal guy kinda weird. Try standing with egy girls and tell them "intelligence has nothing to do with gender".

Believe me i tried, that's one of the reason i haven't a GF

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Reply #17 - July 01, 2010, 12:23 AM

I totally agree with Hassan. It really feels like they think it's a weakness!
Really frustrating... =P

And maybe it's because I live in the country of people like Geert Wilders and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
But when I'm defending women, people automatically think I have something against Islam (which I sincerely don't!).

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Reply #18 - July 01, 2010, 04:22 PM

Quote from: Farid92 on July 01, 2010, 12:23 AM
But when I'm defending women, people automatically think I have something against Islam (which I sincerely don't!).

If you are an apostat you sure have something against islam, maybe only because due to it's doctrine you should be killed.
Quote from: Farid92 on July 01, 2010, 12:23 AM
I totally agree with Hassan. It really feels like they think it's a weakness!
Really frustrating... =P

I know!, it is sad!! what can i do if all the girls i know think that i'am weak?? i think that i should try to act more like a bad boy. From now i will never treat women good again and they'll all fall to my feets

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Reply #19 - July 01, 2010, 04:48 PM

Depends what you want Kero-zen. If you want to have a relationship with a girl, then treat them bad. If you want to have a relationship with a woman, then stay true to yourself.

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Reply #20 - July 01, 2010, 04:57 PM

lol dude just act confident and don't care what anybody says. if they think you're weak, fuck em. Tell them, they're not strong enough to be with you. be a rebel like your avatar but in your own way, otherwise what's the point of being a rebel?
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Reply #21 - July 01, 2010, 06:14 PM

kero-zen.. i must have missed the intro.. sorry hi and welcome

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Reply #22 - July 01, 2010, 06:36 PM

Quote from: Hassan on June 29, 2010, 10:45 PM
Some Muslim women like a man to be - let's say - a little misogynistic - that's what they have been used to expecting and they don't know how to react to one who isn't. They even see your soft and equality stance as a weakness in you!

I have personally suffered from this phenomena!

I second that... I passed through it myself..

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Reply #23 - July 01, 2010, 06:42 PM

Quote from: kero-zen on June 30, 2010, 04:29 PM
That's the problem i think liberal-muslim is kinda a paradox, maybe lot of young muslims appear liberal or even have sincere liberal views, but when they get older they began to think further and understand that they have to make a choice, and most of them turn back to they religion's fundamentalismBut how things can advance if even the victims aren't trying to make a change? i mean what are we supposed to do for making them understand that those guys aren't weak but trying to help em, and that it is even a strength, that they are even more respectful than the other stupid machos??

Tell her that you want an intelligent partner and a soul mate not a simple sex slave and a baby machine, compare her to other 'ideal' women, if she persists then tell her to eff off.

Just be yourself, if she does not accept you the way you are then she's not worth it.

Alternatively you can drag her by the hair to bedroom and show her who's the daddy.....

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Reply #24 - July 01, 2010, 06:51 PM

Hi kero-zen

Quote from: Hassan on June 29, 2010, 10:45 PM
Some Muslim women like a man to be - let's say - a little misogynistic - that's what they have been used to expecting and they don't know how to react to one who isn't. They even see your soft and equality stance as a weakness in you!

I have personally suffered from this phenomena!

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Reply #25 - July 01, 2010, 07:05 PM

stolkholme syndrome - at the milder end of it, like expecting to be dominated and therefore searching a dominant male because you feel a sense of loyalty to their position as a Muslimah, and to Muslim males. They may see that liberal men do not give them the stability of a similar relationship to that between father and daughter, as the relationship respect wise is similar between man and wife.
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Reply #26 - July 01, 2010, 07:17 PM

Quote from: Lilyesque on July 01, 2010, 07:05 PM
stolkholme syndrome - at the milder end of it, like expecting to be dominated and therefore searching a dominant male because you feel a sense of loyalty to their position as a Muslimah, and to Muslim males. They may see that liberal men do not give them the stability of a similar relationship to that between father and daughter, as the relationship respect wise is similar between man and wife.

I think its more to do with the fact that they don't know any better... Its not just in relationships.. When I worked at a restaurant once, we had a Libyan dishwasher and me being the well meaning cretin that I am went to help her finish her job when I found that I did not have much work to do. She appreciated it so much that she started leaving the plates for me to wash the next day.. and she wasn't too pleased when I refused and reminded her that it was her job.

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Reply #27 - July 01, 2010, 07:18 PM

ohh my gosh seriously? wow, did you explain to her, "we can do this together"?
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Reply #28 - July 01, 2010, 07:24 PM

Quote from: Lilyesque on July 01, 2010, 07:18 PM
ohh my gosh seriously? wow, did you explain to her, "we can do this together"?

No I simply told her that I was doing it just to be helpful to my colleagues out of my own initiative and that I was not intending to be used and help her at the cost of neglecting my duties. One has to be careful, when people are raised in a certain environment they will perceive any friendly gesture as a sign of weakness and something that is to be manipulated...

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Reply #29 - July 01, 2010, 07:27 PM

oki, wow, i would have said to her I'm helping you out, and being useful, I am not your skivvy.
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