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  • 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     OP - July 07, 2010, 05:51 PM

    Your thoughts on this day.

    Have things changed for london as a result?
    where you on the day you heard the news?

    5 Years ago I was travelling around the world and was in New York at the time. I quickly emailed around and made sure everyone i knew was ok and phoned home.

    To be honest I was expecting something like this to happen after 9/11, It was only a matter of time. But growing up here, I was used to shit happening. I remember the bombings by the IRA in docklands and thinking well its not going to stop London and it didn't.

    I really didn't notice any thing different, when i came back, maybe a little bit self concious of being a brown face in amongst a load of white faces but that was it really. I also felt that to some extent the media made it a bigger event then it was, trying to somehow equal it to the devastation of the twin towers, which to my mind it wasn't.

    I don't think it changed London significantly. yes there are security issues which have been stepped up, but i can't really say that London or Londoners as a whole changed because of that day.

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #1 - July 07, 2010, 07:19 PM

    No it may not have been on the scale of 9/11, and yes we'd been through it all before with the IRA bombings, but they were a familiar enemy, and while they were terrorists and murdering scum as well, the idea of suicide bombers took it to a whole new level. I will never understand the mindset of a someone who thinks they can gain glory by blowing themself and others to smithereens :(

    RIP to all who lost their lives that day, and thinking of those who still live with the horror

    Tiocfaidh ar la.
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #2 - July 07, 2010, 07:27 PM

    where you on the day you heard the news?


    Teaching in my classroom at Islamia School.

  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #3 - July 07, 2010, 07:33 PM

    I will never understand the mindset of a someone who thinks they can gain glory by blowing themself and others to smithereens :(

    Religion is a virus of the mind (in the form of ideas).  These suicide bombers really DO believe they are doing the work of God, and will be rewarded handsomely by God in the afterlife.  wacko If you think about it this way: the virus (religion) is in charge, and fights to survive and propagate in whatever way possible, and it uses people's minds to do so.

    These young terrorists are thoroughly deluded and angry, and incapable of thinking rationally.  Radical Islam gives them an assertive sense of purpose and meaning in life.  Furthermore, radical Islamists know how to use (perceived) grievances to great effect to brainwash these young men.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #4 - July 07, 2010, 09:31 PM

    I don't recall where I was.  What I do recall though is that the client I was contracting for had only one employee at the time.  The one train that blew up was the one she normally caught to work but she was running late that day.  She left his company soon afterwards, got a job closer to home so that she wouldn't have to travel on the underground.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #5 - July 07, 2010, 09:35 PM

    I was on my Duke of Edinburgh Award camping expedition when my friend got a call from his sister in London saying the underground tube was bombed. I learnt about the true scale of the disaster when I got back from the trip.


    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #6 - July 07, 2010, 09:58 PM

    Teaching in my classroom at Islamia School.

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Astaghfirullah, a male teacher with female students? What is this "Islamic" school? Old geezer
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #7 - July 07, 2010, 10:01 PM

    and while they were terrorists and murdering scum as well,


    As well as who? The British military?

    fuck you
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #8 - July 07, 2010, 10:02 PM

    , the idea of suicide bombers took it to a whole new level. I will never understand the mindset of a someone who thinks they can gain glory by blowing themself and others to smithereens :(

    RIP to all who lost their lives that day, and thinking of those who still live with the horror


    +1   Cry  

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  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #9 - July 07, 2010, 10:20 PM

    As well as who? The British military?

    Cheesy  Here in Britain, "as well" = also

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #10 - July 07, 2010, 10:24 PM

    In the US too. I was making a point about the fact that the British military has been responsible for many, many more atrocities over the years than the IRA, but most Brits don't call them "murdering scum"

    fuck you
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #11 - July 08, 2010, 06:19 AM

    In the US too. I was making a point about the fact that the British military has been responsible for many, many more atrocities over the years than the IRA, but most Brits don't call them "murdering scum"


    They murdered

    1: IRA people guilty of murdering innocent people.
    2: People who supported the IRA in killing innocent people.
    3: Innocent people.

    They are scum for murdering any of them, even the victims who were scum themselves.  The IRA are scum too.  They were all murdering people for political gain - therefore they were ALL terrorists.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #12 - July 08, 2010, 09:56 AM

    As well as who? The British military?


    Don't you F****** dare try to put the British army alongside the evil bastards that were the IRA!! These 'people' set off bombs, murdered thousands, caused terror and unrest that still lasts today. The British army were asked to come into Northern Ireland by the catholic population, and then changed their minds and started hunting them. Young men cut down in their prime and taken far too soon because of their f****** ideal of a united Ireland. Never mind the fact that the majority of the people were British and wanted to remain so (and still do). Typical bloody american response when it comes to Ireland and Ulster, the poor downtrodden Irish set upon by the big, bad British!

    Tiocfaidh ar la.
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #13 - July 08, 2010, 10:18 AM

    Don't you F****** dare try to put the British army alongside the evil bastards that were the IRA!!


    Not all of them, no, but some of them.  There were squads which went around torturing people in order to get information, some of these people were killed, some of them were completely innocent.

    So to tar the British military as all bad is wrong, but to pain them as all good is also just as wrong, don't you think?

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #14 - July 08, 2010, 10:39 AM

    It was war for F's sake!! And simply put, if an enemy is willing to take pot shots at me and mine, then I have no sympathy on them being tortured for information. And yes, a few were probably innocent, but innocents are always casualties of war. Look at the THOUSANDS of innocents who were bombed, maimed and tortured by the IRA and by muslims terrorists today. In an ideal world there would be no wars and no need for armies, but unfortunately we don't, and I sleep better in my bed knowing that there are those out there who will defend this country to the death, if need be. And I certainly wont sit idly by and keep silent while there are those who would slander the name of those who will defend this land.

    Tiocfaidh ar la.
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #15 - July 08, 2010, 10:52 AM

    War doesn't excuse everything. There are certain standards and principles that one must maintain - otherwise one can find an excuse for anything. It undermines the very things we are supposed to be defending.

    In fact defending torture, summary execution and killing innocents on the basis of it being a war and the actions of the enemy is exactly how the terrorists justify their acts of violence.
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #16 - July 08, 2010, 11:06 AM

    It was war for F's sake!! And simply put, if an enemy is willing to take pot shots at me and mine, then I have no sympathy on them being tortured for information. And yes, a few were probably innocent, but innocents are always casualties of war.


    Well then, if a terrorist group formed in the UK and some super power like the US came over here and started to torture them you'd obviously have no problems with it.  But in addition to that, if those US soldiers tortured and killed innocent members of YOUR family you'd just dismiss it, because it is war after all and innocents are always casualties of war aren't they?

    Look at the THOUSANDS of innocents who were bombed, maimed and tortured by the IRA and by muslims terrorists today


    Yes, it's terrible when people are killed, especially innocent people.  Which is why the murder of innocent people is no excuse for the murdering of more innocent people.


    I certainly wont sit idly by and keep silent while there are those who would slander the name of those who will defend this land.


    I'm not libelling anyone, I am pointing the finger at those who tortured and killed innocent people.  It's not libel if you really did it.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #17 - July 08, 2010, 12:35 PM

    Don't you F****** dare try to put the British army alongside the evil bastards that were the IRA!! These 'people' set off bombs, murdered thousands, caused terror and unrest that still lasts today. The British army were asked to come into Northern Ireland by the catholic population, and then changed their minds and started hunting them. Young men cut down in their prime and taken far too soon because of their f****** ideal of a united Ireland. Never mind the fact that the majority of the people were British and wanted to remain so (and still do).


    Occupy a country and you take the risks that come with that. Tough shit.

    And it wasn't that the Catholics begged the Brits to send troops-- it was that your country was forced to send troops because your country's colonist proxy forces (RUC et al) had gotten out of control, and it was making your government look bad in the international community.

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    Typical bloody american response when it comes to Ireland and Ulster, the poor downtrodden Irish set upon by the big, bad British!


    Ulster is Ireland. They are not separate countries just because your country decided to colonize that part of Ireland with Scottish Protestants.

    It was war for F's sake!!


    Same excuse the IRA used.

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    Look at the THOUSANDS of innocents who were bombed, maimed and tortured by the IRA and by muslims terrorists today.


    Look at the MILLIONS murdered, tortured, beaten and imprisoned by the British Empire over the years in your country's wars of aggression, conquest and occupation. FUCK the British Empire.

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    In an ideal world there would be no wars and no need for armies, but unfortunately we don't, and I sleep better in my bed knowing that there are those out there who will defend this country to the death, if need be.


     Roll Eyes You don't necessarily need a large, professional active-duty army to do that. Switzerland has the right idea-- a militia system where EVERYONE is expected to defend the country to the death. That's how my country used to be too until our ruling class decided we needed to be the next British Empire.

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    And I certainly wont sit idly by and keep silent while there are those who would slander the name of those who will defend this land.


    1. If you think the British military's primary role is to defend Great Britain, then you are hopelessly deluded. Not sure what invading India back in the day or invading Iraq more recently had to do with defending your country.

    2. I'm not slandering individual soldiers. Soldiers do what soldiers do, whether they be in the British Army, the US Army, or the Irish Republican Army. My ma was a solider, my grandpa, and my great-grandpa, and I was going to be until I got arrested and convicted of a crime. Just trying to say that your dichotomy of "British Army good, IRA bad" is bullshit, and at least the IRA's only goal was to liberate their country, whereas the role of the British Army from (at least) the 17th century onwards has been to keep other people under the yoke of the British Empire.


    fuck you
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #18 - July 08, 2010, 12:39 PM

    I fear we have gone off topic

    If you ask me to define anything i will slap you with my pimp hand and make you cry like a biatch.

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  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #19 - July 08, 2010, 12:44 PM

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    Occupy a country and you take the risks that come with that. Tough shit.

    That is right., Shit may  be soft and may not be tough  but if it hits the fan in the living room, all hell breaks loose

    Nope.. No occupation., ., they are living in their own and in their own  forefathers country.  Without  Muhammad(PBUH) and his Islam all would have been either Jews, or Christians or Pagans. At worst it would have been like East and west Germany..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #20 - July 08, 2010, 01:03 PM

    Don't you F****** dare try to put the British army alongside the evil bastards that were the IRA!! These 'people' set off bombs, murdered thousands, caused terror and unrest that still lasts today. The British army were asked to come into Northern Ireland by the catholic population, and then changed their minds and started hunting them. Young men cut down in their prime and taken far too soon because of their f****** ideal of a united Ireland. Never mind the fact that the majority of the people were British and wanted to remain so (and still do). Typical bloody american response when it comes to Ireland and Ulster, the poor downtrodden Irish set upon by the big, bad British!


    Those evil, evil Irish Catholics.  They've been such a burden on the poor Brits for so long, is it really any wonder their army finally lost patience and shot 14 unarmed civil rights marchers in Derry in 1972?

    Srsly Q.  You mere yankees have no idea how trying the Irish can be.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #21 - July 08, 2010, 01:05 PM

    Srsly Q.  You mere yankees have no idea how trying the Irish can be.


    I'm sure you're right, but I think my points still stand.

    fuck you
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #22 - July 08, 2010, 01:42 PM

    I'm a little vague on the irish british "war"
    cuss me for dropping out of school around the time we were learning it

    perhaps some clarity?

    on each side
    what was the objective?
    who were the targets? combatants or non?

    leaving the objective aside
    if the targets are combatants, then it's war
    if the targets are non-combatants, it's terrorism
    float oh say 20%? collateral damage
    considering WWII 80% was acceptable

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  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #23 - July 08, 2010, 01:47 PM

    Words actually fail me if you believe that drivel (and don't get me started on the Bloody Sunday thing, innocent my ass!) It was nice talking to the decent members on here, but when folk start spouting IRA and Irish propoganda without knowing a damn thing about it, then I can't stay and listen. And it wasn't an effing occupation, it's our own damn country. Ulster is British, not Irish. Same as Scotland is seperate from England!!! My account will now be deleted, cause I actually feel sick to my stomach that intelligent people will still buy into the everything Irish is good and everything British is bad crap!

    Tiocfaidh ar la.
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #24 - July 08, 2010, 01:49 PM

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    and don't get me started on the Bloody Sunday thing, innocent my ass!


    They were unarmed civil rights marchers, FFS.  One of them was only 13 years old.  You have to be one seriously sick bigot, or just ignorant to the point of retardedness to post what you have just posted.

    Go ahead and delete your account, and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #25 - July 08, 2010, 01:50 PM

    I actually feel sick to my stomach that intelligent people will still buy into the everything Irish is good and everything British is bad crap!


    You are talking crap - we said that people who kill innocent people are bastards.  You can't excuse it on one side and condemn it for the other.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #26 - July 08, 2010, 01:51 PM

    testy are we?
    you just started here

    nice uhhh not having known you  whistling2

    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #27 - July 08, 2010, 01:53 PM

    on each side
    what was the objective?


    Objective for the Irish Republican Army, as well as prior and later Irish liberation groups: Liberation of Ireland

    Objective for British military, RUC and Loyalist forces: Maintaining British control over Ireland

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    who were the targets? combatants or non?


    Both on both sides. As to what proportion of each for both sides, that depends a lot on what stage of the conflict you're talking about. The modern conflict goes back to 1916, but there were also armed conflicts between the Brits and Irish long before then.

    I actually feel sick to my stomach that intelligent people will still buy into the everything Irish is good and everything British is bad crap!


    The only one saying such nonsense is you, but in the reverse.

    fuck you
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #28 - July 08, 2010, 01:53 PM

    Boo hoo

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: 7/7 bombings - Anniversary
     Reply #29 - July 08, 2010, 02:02 PM

    They were unarmed civil rights marchers, FFS.  One of them was only 13 years old.  You have to be one seriously sick bigot, or just ignorant to the point of retardedness to post what you have just posted.

    Go ahead and delete your account, and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.


    How does one delete an account? I thought we can't do it.


    Just wondering.
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