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 Topic: Questions about Islamic influence on India

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  • Questions about Islamic influence on India
     OP - July 14, 2010, 09:27 PM
    1. How was sex viewed in pre-Islamic India? It is not a topic most Indians talk about nowadays, but India is the same place the Kama Sutra was written. Also, look at the Khajuraho temples which contain a lot of sexual imagery. There are also many nude statues of Mahavir (founder of Jainism).

    2. Is the concept of honor also an import of Islamic (or I guess Middle Eastern) culture? Hindu/Sikh honor killings are common in North India, particularly in Punjab, Haryana, and Bihar, but really rare in South India. As far as I know Mughal rule never really extended into South India.

    3. My parents, who are Gujarati Indian Hindus, said that it has been considered inappropriate to eat with your left hand because you use that hand to clean yourself after using the toilet  Huh?. I remember reading in this forum that Muhammad said something like that in some hadith or something.

    Which parts have always been part of Indian culture and which parts are influences from Mughal rule?
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #1 - July 15, 2010, 10:55 PM
    Anyone have any ideas?
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #2 - July 15, 2010, 11:21 PM
    from a western perspective, and watching documentaries and reading about indian archeology,
    it appears the structures (i.e. temples and such) depict some pretty erotic art in the form of
    stone carvings and such.  I dont know if they are hindu, but they are pretty old, arent they?

    I believe the left hand thing is more cultural than religious.  After all, noone had toilet paper
    back then and besides leaves, what else was there to clean oneself with?  Except maybe
    the ocean or a river, pond, lake, etc. 
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #3 - July 15, 2010, 11:22 PM
    Quote from: kb999 on July 14, 2010, 09:27 PM
    1. How was sex viewed in pre-Islamic India? It is not a topic most Indians talk about nowadays, but India is the same place the Kama Sutra was written. Also, look at the Khajuraho temples which contain a lot of sexual imagery. There are also many nude statues of Mahavir (founder of Jainism).

    Sex is considered a taboo topic among Hindus, so I'm assuming that was the case even before Arabs and Turks came to India.

    Have you ever considered, that only in modern times have people begun to equate nudity with sex?

    Quote from: kb999 on July 14, 2010, 09:27 PM
    2. Is the concept of honor also an import of Islamic (or I guess Middle Eastern) culture? Hindu/Sikh honor killings are common in North India, particularly in Punjab, Haryana, and Bihar, but really rare in South India. As far as I know Mughal rule never really extended into South India.

    Honor killings also occur in Palestine and Egypt.

    Quote from: kb999 on July 14, 2010, 09:27 PM
    3. My parents, who are Gujarati Indian Hindus, said that it has been considered inappropriate to eat with your left hand because you use that hand to clean yourself after using the toilet  Huh?. I remember reading in this forum that Muhammad said something like that in some hadith or something.

    Which parts have always been part of Indian culture and which parts are influences from Mughal rule?

    All of that comes from Mughal rule, and the Mughals as you know, were Muslims.
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #4 - July 15, 2010, 11:24 PM
    Quote from: kb999 on July 14, 2010, 09:27 PM
    2. Is the concept of honor also an import of Islamic (or I guess Middle Eastern) culture?

    I don't know the full history of India, but I would guess that the concept of honour comes from our tribal instincts.  I suppose it's something we have evolved too, as social, hierarchical species.  I imagine other primates punish any member who is disloyal to the group.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #5 - July 15, 2010, 11:30 PM
    IA... chimpanzee dominant males frequently beat females into submission to show their dominance.
    A couple of reasons for that:

    1.  A new female wants to be a part of the group, the dominant male(s) harrass, scare, and
    even will beat her so that she knows her place in the hiarchy of the group.
    2.  To keep order within the group, preventing further chaos.
    3.  A female who refuses to submit, or comply with the group culture will also be beaten
    by the dominant male(s) as a severe punishment and warning to others.  

    Yes, these are man's closest living relatives Shocked

    EDIT:

    Also when baboons run into rival groups, they fight, and some of the females
    get kidnapped by the other group.  SOME of the females CHOOSE to go with
    the other group in order to potentially improve her status.  The ones that choose
    to leave, but wind up back in their own group get severely punished by dominate
    males for trying to leave
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #6 - July 15, 2010, 11:36 PM
    Thanks for the info, J&T.  Afro

    Very scary.  Shocked
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  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #7 - July 15, 2010, 11:40 PM
    oops!! i meant "ateapotist" sorry
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #8 - July 15, 2010, 11:41 PM
    typed in most promiscious monkey is and this what I got.  Science rules

    http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/333/7228/303020.html
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #9 - July 15, 2010, 11:42 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 15, 2010, 11:30 PM
    IA...

    Yes dear ?  grin12
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #10 - July 15, 2010, 11:43 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 15, 2010, 11:40 PM
    oops!! i meant "ateapotist" sorry

    You always think about me don't ya? Can't blame ya   cool2
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #11 - July 15, 2010, 11:50 PM
     001_tongue  (quick off topic, then back to the issue at hand lol)
    okay IA.. i come from a large family.. ya know how from
    time to time you mean one family member, but wind up
    saying another's name? LOL  thats what i did HAHAHAH
    But yeah, you are one of my top 3 favorites, so stands
    to reason i would say your name by accident LOL
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #12 - July 15, 2010, 11:55 PM
    Does IA have the bronze the silver or the GOOOOOOLLLLLDDDD?Huh?!! I think you should give him the gold based on his slicked back hair.  Only a bad ass motherf**** or sleazy Italian can pull that off. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #13 - July 16, 2010, 12:09 AM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 15, 2010, 11:50 PM
    001_tongue  (quick off topic, then back to the issue at hand lol)
    okay IA.. i come from a large family.. ya know how from
    time to time you mean one family member, but wind up
    saying another's name? LOL  thats what i did HAHAHAH
    But yeah, you are one of my top 3 favorites, so stands
    to reason i would say your name by accident LOL

    I'm flattered.  hugs


    Quote from: deusvult on July 15, 2010, 11:55 PM
    Does IA have the bronze the silver or the GOOOOOOLLLLLDDDD?Huh?!! I think you should give him the gold based on his slicked back hair.  Only a bad ass motherf**** or sleazy Italian can pull that off. 

    Hater.
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #14 - July 16, 2010, 12:15 AM
    those sexy primates are called bonobos lol.  they are a randy lot, too LOL
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #15 - July 16, 2010, 12:40 AM
    lol I was actually just reading an article about them. Imagine a world where we would work out our problems though sex instead of violence lol

    http://www.primatesworld.com/bonobos.html
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #16 - July 16, 2010, 12:41 AM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 16, 2010, 12:09 AM
    I'm flattered.  hugs

    Hater.


    What IA? I was pulling for you to get the gold so she can take a ride down your slicked back hair like a playground slide.  A true friend gets his friends laid lol
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #17 - July 16, 2010, 12:51 AM
    Quote
    A... chimpanzee dominant males frequently beat females into submission to show their dominance.


    They need to be revertedconverted to Islam  to escape the beating!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #18 - July 16, 2010, 12:54 AM
    lol wtf? My thread has gone from talking about Indian culture to monkey sex!  Cheesy
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #19 - July 16, 2010, 12:58 AM
    Iv e noticed that threads in CEMB get derailed very easily. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #20 - July 16, 2010, 12:58 AM
    Shocked  wut?   LOL   kb... you havent noticed how EVERY thread at some point turns to sex?
     Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #21 - July 16, 2010, 01:01 AM
    That is just your imagination sex Jin and Tonic you sex see what you want to see in sex these threads.  I bet you even see sex in my post right now. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #22 - July 16, 2010, 01:08 AM
    Quote from: deusvult on July 16, 2010, 01:01 AM
    That is just your imagination sex Jin and Tonic you sex see what you want to see in sex these threads.  I bet you even see sex in my post right now. 


    You say that like its a bad thing...
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Questions about Islamic influence on India
     Reply #23 - July 16, 2010, 01:10 AM
    omg... bonobos have a food fetish too.. so THATS where it came from LMAO!!
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
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