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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #30 - July 19, 2010, 08:16 PM
    Julien... i was an american muslim convert. I felt much the same when i first did
    my shahada, and also had VERY strict muslims instructing me, but made it all sound
    like the right things to do, even though i didnt understand it at the time.  I, too,
    began to question the intense hatred for xians and jews.  I started thinking how
    much hatred and violence there was within islam.  (I used to be a born again christian,
    too)  I remember in my masjid, a preacher was saying how Shaytan pisses (urinates)
    in your ears if you dont wake up for fajr.  I thought for several days, what an ugly
    thought to be taught in a sermon!!!  I realized, I DONT NEED someone TELLING me
    I HAVE TO give charity!!  I do that by myself, and then telling me, "if you do this, or
    do that, you will get a better place in jannah".  Where there are all these virgins, and
    little boys, and wine.  And WHY would God be so detailed about these virgins being
    a virgin every time you have sex with them!!  All of the sudden all these haram things
    are halal? AND in the presence of GOD?Huh?  Only once allah comes and asks those
    in jannah... hows it going?  you happy/content?  They said, "yeah, thanks!"  And then
    allah leaves?Huh?   I didnt want to spend eternity having sex and drinking wine!  
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #31 - July 19, 2010, 08:27 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on July 19, 2010, 08:08 PM
    Hi and welcome friend Smiley

    Bears is mandatory in Islam, it's not culture.

    Women are like that in Paradise as described by hadith, not culture.

    The Burqa is good question, there are references that point that it's Islamic. But some say it's culture. References made mostly in hadith.


    Bears?

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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #32 - July 19, 2010, 08:31 PM
    Quote from: Alecto on July 19, 2010, 08:27 PM
    Bears?
    (Clicky for piccy!)




    Grin


    That's adorable!
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #33 - July 19, 2010, 09:03 PM
    Welcome to our little online sanctuary, Julien. There is a variety of freethinkers here, from unorthodox Muslims and Sufis, to deists, pantheists, atheists, agnostics, and even some Christians and Hindus. Glad you found us. Feel free to share, vent, ask, answer any ideas you come across.
     far away hug
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #34 - July 19, 2010, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: Julien on July 19, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Hi and thanks to everybody fro the greetings.  thnkyu I didn't expected so much in so a short time.

    well, I have read some threads here and I use to live the same kind of situations. I was touched by the story of Abooali and his journey within the Islamiya School and the salafis there.

    I became a Muslim when I was 23 years old. I am born as a Christian Catholic. I was the only one in my family who used to go to the church every Sunday and Wednesday...


    Interesting story. Welcome  Afro
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #35 - July 19, 2010, 09:28 PM
    Quote from: Alecto on July 19, 2010, 08:27 PM
    Bears?
    (Clicky for piccy!)



    Grin
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #36 - July 19, 2010, 09:51 PM
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    I remember in my masjid, a preacher was saying how Shaytan pisses (urinates)
    in your ears if you dont wake up for fajr.  I thought for several days, what an ugly
    thought to be taught in a sermon!!! 


    one time i was sitting in a mosque and the preacher was talking about usury/interest. he said that the least serious form of usury was similar/likened to having sex with your own mother (has anyone else ever heard this??). i felt sick and it made me stop liking going to the mosque - i very rarely go to the mosque these days.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #37 - July 19, 2010, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on July 19, 2010, 09:51 PM
    i felt sick


    Just like how we feel about Islam.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #38 - July 19, 2010, 10:01 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on July 19, 2010, 09:51 PM
    one time i was sitting in a mosque and the preacher was talking about usury/interest. he said that the least serious form of usury was similar/likened to having sex with your own mother (has anyone else ever heard this??).

    No I have never come across that, nevermind a mosque, but not even at the pub with a bunch of rat-arsed kaffir mates  Cheesy

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    i felt sick and it made me stop liking going to the mosque - i very rarely go to the mosque these days.

    Werent you proadly donating money to build a supermosque in Cambridge?
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #39 - July 19, 2010, 10:12 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on July 19, 2010, 09:51 PM
    one time i was sitting in a mosque and the preacher was talking about usury/interest. he said that the least serious form of usury was similar/likened to having sex with your own mother (has anyone else ever heard this??). i felt sick and it made me stop liking going to the mosque - i very rarely go to the mosque these days.


    I was told that Shaytan eats the food you leave - I hated the idea that Shaytan was hanging around us at meal times - bloody scrounger!
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #40 - July 19, 2010, 10:18 PM
    I was once told that the solution to all Muslims issues was birth control.  There was simply too much of it.

    Each Muslim should have six kids and tell each of those 6 kids to have 6 kids.  Then you would get an exponential rise in the number of muslims, soon you'd have a greater influence on power and be in the majority.
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #41 - July 19, 2010, 10:20 PM
    ilane  thats what rome dicated to catholic immigrants heading for the USA
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #42 - July 19, 2010, 10:32 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on July 19, 2010, 10:01 PM
    Werent you proadly donating money to build a supermosque in Cambridge?


    i think if you visit a mosque, even infrequently, you should at least make some financial contribution - it's just good manners. and the new cambridge mosque looks like it's going to be quite cool - i think it's going to have a restaurant, youth center etc. and there is some talk of my favourite scholar (Abdal Hakim Murad - a very cool dude) being the lead imam.
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #43 - July 19, 2010, 10:34 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on July 19, 2010, 10:32 PM
    i think if you visit a mosque, even infrequently, you should at least make some financial contribution - it's just good manners. and the new cambridge mosque looks like it's going to be quite cool - i think it's going to have a restaurant, youth center etc. and there is some talk of my favourite scholar (Abdal Hakim Murad - a very cool dude) being the lead imam.


    yeah that mosque sounds pretty cool, too bad its based on the teachings of a camel urine drinking goat rapist.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #44 - July 19, 2010, 10:36 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on July 19, 2010, 10:32 PM
    i think if you visit a mosque, even infrequently, you should at least make some financial contribution - it's just good manners. and the new cambridge mosque looks like it's going to be quite cool - i think it's going to have a restaurant, youth center etc. and there is some talk of my favourite scholar (Abdal Hakim Murad - a very cool dude) being the lead imam.

    Sounds like the coolest masjid in the UK.  Problem is the wbeardos will inevitably seek control, and give the place the atmosphere of a morgue.
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #45 - July 19, 2010, 10:38 PM
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    yeah that mosque sounds pretty cool, too bad its based on the teachings of a camel urine drinking goat rapist


    *alleged* camel urine drinking goat rapist
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #46 - July 19, 2010, 10:40 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on July 19, 2010, 10:36 PM
    Sounds like the coolest masjid in the UK.  Problem is the wbeardos will inevitably seek control, and give the place the atmosphere of a morgue.


    jeez i really, really hope not - though it wouldn't surprise me if you're right
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #47 - July 19, 2010, 10:46 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on July 19, 2010, 10:40 PM
    jeez i really, really hope not - though it wouldn't surprise me if you're right

    You've got the anti-laughter hadith to thank for that... bunch of killjoys can go hang themselves Headsman
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #48 - July 19, 2010, 11:01 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on July 19, 2010, 10:36 PM
    Sounds like the coolest masjid in the UK.  Problem is the wbeardos will inevitably seek control, and give the place the atmosphere of a morgue.

    Do the committee get elected in a democratic way?  Because if that is the case, then inevitably the religious/traditionalist folk (who are the ones who mainly attend the Mosque) will gain power. no
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #49 - July 19, 2010, 11:08 PM
    Not sure exactly how the bodies are elected at the mosque. 

    I hear it is a highly sophisticated process, they were recently thinking about bringing in a proportional representation system recently but it was vetoed under the consitutional amendment 34.6A.  If you need more information you will need to speak to the Mullah Malik, but unfortunately you will need to wait till he is extradited as he is undergoing a criminal investigation on corruption charges in the Punjab.
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #50 - July 19, 2010, 11:37 PM
    are you serious islame?? this is the guy they want for their leader???   wacko
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #51 - July 20, 2010, 08:50 AM
    Hi Julien

    Out of curiousity, when you were a Christian did you struggle with the idea of the trinity?



    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 19, 2010, 08:16 PM
    I didnt want to spend eternity having sex and drinking wine!  


    You sick bastard!

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #52 - July 20, 2010, 09:15 AM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 19, 2010, 11:37 PM
    are you serious islame?? this is the guy they want for their leader???   wacko

    just j/k  Wink
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #53 - July 20, 2010, 09:35 AM
    Quote from: Julien on July 19, 2010, 07:58 PM
    I was touched by the story of Abooali


    It always goes back to Hassan Smiley
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #54 - July 20, 2010, 10:05 AM
    Heya Julien, welcome in.
  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #55 - July 20, 2010, 10:57 AM
    Hi,

    Quote from: Naerys on July 20, 2010, 09:35 AM
    It always goes back to Hassan Smiley


    Yes, this is what happen in a lot of mosque; the thing I can see also is that I don't find many happy Muslims even Fridays for the Juma'a.

    @Abuyunus2

    I like sheikh Abdalhakim Murad to; I just hope that he stay like this and don't get influenced by Wahabbis.


  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #56 - July 20, 2010, 11:10 AM
    Quote from: Julien on July 20, 2010, 10:57 AM
    @Abuyunus2

    I like sheikh Abdalhakim Murad to; I just hope that he stay like this and don't get influenced by Wahabbis.

    I don't think there's any chance of Abdalhakim Murad being influenced by the Wahhabis.  The problem is that the Wahhabis will go around telling people that his beliefs are very unorthodox and he is trying to appease the West blah blah;  and this could make Abdalhakim Murad lose the support of the people.

    Having said that, it seems to me that as long as Abdalhakim Murad preaches from the pulpit every Friday, the influence of the Wahhabis/Salafis will be limited.  Smiley
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #57 - July 20, 2010, 11:38 AM
    Quote from: Julien on July 19, 2010, 07:58 PM
    well, I said that I am praying, yes I did but since a long time now I didn't read the Quran; so many times it talk about "kuffar", about killing. The question of the fear is also  very present in the daily life and I guess is it an important point for those who left Islam.



    so Did you read the whole quran or not ?
    did you also read the hadith and sunnah or not ?

    1 more thing don't fear anything that you can't see or don't have any facts about

    IF YOU ARE NOT AN ATHEIST IM GOING TO BURN YOU IN HELL

    does that make you afraid ? I suppose not. same thing with religion
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #58 - July 20, 2010, 11:45 AM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on July 19, 2010, 10:32 PM
    and there is some talk of my favourite scholar (Abdal Hakim Murad - a very cool dude) being the lead imam.

    I doubt he'll have the time, but what a project if he does get involved.  The muslim ummah need somebody like him.

    btw did you ever get round to getting a response on your thoughts of the Quran from him?  i.e. it was a message for that time & place..  I wonder what his thoughts would be on that?
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  • Re: Hi! I am new here.
     Reply #59 - July 20, 2010, 11:53 AM
    no i never asked him about that, but i think he would disagree with me.
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