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  • Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     OP - July 20, 2010, 10:32 AM

    Just to link you this, this is quite interesting:

    http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/mediaPages/mediaFiles/Maryam-Namazie-newstalk-Irealand.mp3
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #1 - July 20, 2010, 11:36 AM

    Thank you Lilyesque! Did you notice how women can be their own worst enemies?

    Khadija! finmad finmad finmad



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #2 - July 20, 2010, 11:41 AM

    Yeah, that's true, many women here at my home country defend the oppression of women endorsed by Islam, not sure if it is brainwashing effect, denial or being scared!

    ...
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #3 - July 20, 2010, 11:46 AM

    Thank you Lilyesque! Did you notice how women can be their own worst enemies?

    Khadija! finmad finmad finmad


    Why what did Khadija do?  In fact she & Aisha were the only ones who put Mo in his place, the others were just additional notches on his bedpost.

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  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #4 - July 20, 2010, 11:48 AM

    I like her stand on niqab

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #5 - July 20, 2010, 11:53 AM

    LOL! Khadija's idea of free choice for her kids: She won't force them to wear the hijab, etc but she will give them a proper islamic education. IMO that translates as NO CHOICE.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #6 - July 20, 2010, 11:55 AM

    LOL! Khadija's idea of free choice for her kids: She won't force them to wear the hijab, etc but she will give them a proper islamic education. IMO that translates as NO CHOICE.


    yea i found that ironic

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #7 - July 20, 2010, 12:08 PM

    Yeah, that's true, many women here at my home country defend the oppression of women endorsed by Islam, not sure if it is brainwashing effect, denial or being scared!

    Some  times it is plain stupid,  arrogant, me different and going against all the commonsense and education she has  to reinforce religious stupidity.. 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #8 - July 20, 2010, 12:10 PM

    I like her stand on niqab

    Where can I read more about this?

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  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #9 - July 20, 2010, 12:17 PM

    A married woman can't have a casual friendly chat with a man. Islam prohibits it!  Cry Cry

    I now realize how lucky I am! So I have a vested interest in Islam not spreading as I love flirting with married women! Cheesy Cheesy
    Seriously, these people are against bans but don't mind having bans within the religion in the name of Allah!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #10 - July 20, 2010, 12:19 PM

    I like her stand on niqab


    Whose stand on the niqab?



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #11 - July 20, 2010, 12:26 PM

    Whose stand on the niqab?


       
    Maryam Namazie

    [13:36] <Fimbles> anything above 7 inches
    [13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
    [13:37] <Fimbles> see
    [13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #12 - July 20, 2010, 12:32 PM



    LOL! That Scottish woman is a fuckwit! Just because some women dress in scanty clothes that therefore means that wearing the Jilbab is liberating! And then she blames women for being raped!

    And that's a convert. Wow. Just wow.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #13 - July 20, 2010, 12:37 PM

    Maryam Namazie

    What's her stance?
    I'm too lazy to listen to the interview myself.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #14 - July 20, 2010, 12:39 PM

    What a relief? I thought you were referring to Khadija/Khatiba{???}.Yes! she always talks sense. She means well and is very concerned about women's issues. But here I think the most sensible thing  is not banning,because of the consequences of the ban.
     Isn't it ridiculous? A ban by a real entity-STATE[that gives u ur bread&butter] is wrong, but a ban by an imaginary Allah[who just gives u false hopes] is right!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #15 - July 20, 2010, 12:45 PM

    Yeah, that's true, many women here at my home country defend the oppression of women endorsed by Islam, not sure if it is brainwashing effect, denial or being scared!


    Or that they genuinely and wholeheartedly support sexism and misogyny.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #16 - July 20, 2010, 12:49 PM

    LOL! That Scottish woman is a fuckwit! Just because some women dress in scanty clothes that therefore means that wearing the Jilbab is liberating! And then she blames women for being raped!

    And that's a convert. Wow. Just wow.

    She was from Belgium., Moved to Ireland converted to Islam, married an Algerian Muslim guy, off course she likes to be in Black tent.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #17 - July 20, 2010, 12:49 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O5uVDB8R4M

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #18 - July 20, 2010, 12:54 PM

    LOL! That Scottish woman is a fuckwit! Just because some women dress in scanty clothes that therefore means that wearing the Jilbab is liberating! And then she blames women for being raped!

    And that's a convert. Wow. Just wow.


    Very irritating isn't it? Without a sense of superiority their belief is not complete.If all the women in west stopped moving about naked/semi-naked in the west there won't be any rapes!
    If all married women stopped talking to other men there won't be any cases of fornication!
    If boys and girls don't mix up there won't be any premarital sex, unwed mothers!
    How come the stupid west didn't think of these simple solutions?



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #19 - July 20, 2010, 01:06 PM

    @ yeezvee good video! Illustrates the fact that more the no. of crazy rules you have to follow the more confused and stupid you become!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #20 - July 20, 2010, 02:04 PM

    Yep, I have to say half the problem is Scared, Brainwashed or downright Idiotic Women, it's not all the Men's fault. If you don't stand up to sexist Men or the patriarchy, you gonna get the situation continued over and over again, so therefore Kadija's stance of a total alienation from non-related males and a wearing of a clothing type which dissuades conversation between the sexes, on purpose, as she says, the situation continues. It also portrays Men in a bad light, even though they are the ones in control, this is true "rape ideology", where Women accept the fear of sexual harassment of some sort, or intimidation from Men, and don't expect parity between the sexes, they think it unnatural and strange (see Stolkholm syndrome, it explains everything).
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #21 - July 20, 2010, 07:06 PM

    Stockholm syndrome indeed! Allah aided and abetted by Mohammed and muslim men the abductors! Another example showing that Islam is a human invention.It's as if the woman is gift wrapped for allah, a kind of surprise gift ,who is seen only by the husband and Allah himself!Her sympathy and 'love' for the abductors making her think of it as a free choice.




    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #22 - July 20, 2010, 07:25 PM

    What's her stance?
    I'm too lazy to listen to the interview myself.


    Around 5 min:
    Radio Interviewer: "You support the French proposals to ban the niqab don't you?"

    Maryam Namazie:  "Yeah I mean I actually think it is shocking not to ban it you know because I do think that it is a form of a mobile prison ... "

    Maryam made some very good points, worth listening to  Afro.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #23 - July 20, 2010, 07:25 PM



    Interesting, thanks! Smiley
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #24 - July 20, 2010, 08:38 PM

    Thanks for posting, Lily.  Afro

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  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #25 - July 20, 2010, 09:13 PM

    I usually agree with what Maryam says, but I find myself in disagreement with her in this case

    Firstly, she compares wearing the burka with the Chinese practice of feet binding. Yes, they are the same in that they are forms of controlling women, but they are rather different since the former is reversible, whilst the latter is irreversible. Burka can be applied (and withdrawn)  at any time of life, including adult life when the wearer is at liberty to consent whether to wear or not. Feet binding must be performed in childhood, at a time when the individual cannot realistically consent to this.

    Secondly, I do not agree with her stance that burka should be banned in public because of how is represses women and what it represents symbolically. This is profoundly illiberal. Yes, is it a vile, yes it is opressive, and yes it represents an ugly facet of mysogyny, but at the end of the day, it is the right of an indivudual do a vile, opressive and mysogynistic act consentually. There are lots of things that would qualify for banning under Maryam's criteria, including a fair amount of pornography, acts of BDSM between adults, polygamous relationships, just to name a few.

    She talks about the cohersion of women to wear burka, but what about the cohersion of our young people to wear designer clothes?

    I am against the ban as it sits. I believe if a burka clad woman needs to identify herself to a police offier, bank clerk, or post office worker, then she must be obliged to reveal her identity as and when required. But she should be allowed to be an anonymous thing as she pleases otherwise.
    As for public sector employees, then I am a little less liberal. I think the state should be able to set standards of its employees dress codes (just as private buisnesses should be able to do). As to whether public sector employees should therefore be allowed, then I am a bit undecided. Certainly primary and secondary school teachers should not be allowed (neither should they be allowed to wear hijaab), and probably BBC presenters as well.
  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #26 - July 20, 2010, 09:18 PM

    I usually agree with what Maryam says, but I find myself in disagreement with her in this case

    Firstly, she compares wearing the burka with the Chinese practice of feet binding. Yes, they are the same in that they are forms of controlling women, but they are rather different since the former is reversible, whilst the latter is irreversible. Burka can be applied (and withdrawn)  at any time of life, including adult life when the wearer is at liberty to consent whether to wear or not. Feet binding must be performed in childhood, at a time when the individual cannot realistically consent to this.

    Secondly, I do not agree with her stance that burka should be banned in public because of how is represses women and what it represents symbolically. This is profoundly illiberal. Yes, is it a vile, yes it is opressive, and yes it represents an ugly facet of mysogyny, but at the end of the day, it is the right of an indivudual do a vile, opressive and mysogynistic act consentually. There are lots of things that would qualify for banning under Maryam's criteria, including a fair amount of pornography, acts of BDSM between adults, polygamous relationships, just to name a few.

    She talks about the cohersion of women to wear burka, but what about the cohersion of our young people to wear designer clothes?

    I am against the ban as it sits. I believe if a burka clad woman needs to identify herself to a police offier, bank clerk, or post office worker, then she must be obliged to reveal her identity as and when required. But she should be allowed to be an anonymous thing as she pleases otherwise.
    As for public sector employees, then I am a little less liberal. I think the state should be able to set standards of its employees dress codes (just as private buisnesses should be able to do). As to whether public sector employees should therefore be allowed, then I am a bit undecided. Certainly primary and secondary school teachers should not be allowed (neither should they be allowed to wear hijaab), and probably BBC presenters as well.


    I agree with everything you said.  Afro

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #27 - July 20, 2010, 09:19 PM

    I am split on this issue.  I'd like it to be banned, but dont think it should be.  wacko

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  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #28 - July 20, 2010, 09:49 PM

    I too am a little torn on the issue.  I know it would be illiberal to ban the niqab (or hijab!!), but deep down I feel maybe it is a very effective way to solve the problem. whistling2
    Or perhaps another effective way to solve the problem would be to ensure that young women (or older women even!) are NOT UNDER ANY SOCIAL PRESSURE to wear the niqab / hijab / burqa.  Because there's no doubt in my mind that there is a great deal of pressure.  I realise that many women are just brainwashed and wear it willingly to please their God, but they should not then put others under any pressure to wear it.  PERIOD!



    @MrSilly:

    You do speak a lot of sense with what you said, except that I would disagree slightly on the reversible damage bit:

    Firstly, she compares wearing the burka with the Chinese practice of feet binding. Yes, they are the same in that they are forms of controlling women, but they are rather different since the former is reversible, whilst the latter is irreversible. Burka can be applied (and withdrawn)  at any time of life, including adult life when the wearer is at liberty to consent whether to wear or not. Feet binding must be performed in childhood, at a time when the individual cannot realistically consent to this.

    If a child/teenager is forced to wear the niqab and not allowed to step out of the house without it, etc, like the daughters of many religious/traditionalist families, this can have an almost permanent effect on the girls's skills in terms of being a well-rounded individual who fits well into mainstream society.  It's like leaving a cult for some, and people can struggle to adapt to mainstream society.
    The niqab/veil is a tool of segregation to keep Muslim girls pure and chaste, until they get married off to a similarly religious man, and the cult perpetuates.  :sigh:

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  • Re: Maryam Namazie interview: Ireland:
     Reply #29 - July 20, 2010, 10:18 PM

    Quote from: ateapotist
    Or perhaps another effective way to solve the problem would be to ensure that young women (or older women even!) are NOT UNDER ANY SOCIAL PRESSURE to wear the niqab / hijab / burqa


    And how do you ensure that?

    Quote from: ateapotist
    If a child/teenager is forced to wear the niqab and not allowed to step out of the house without it, etc, like the daughters of many religious/traditionalist families, this can have an almost permanent effect on the girls's skills in terms of being a well-rounded individual who fits well into mainstream society.


    A few issues here.

    Firstly, I think you are right with regard to the psychological damage, however, your point of banning would only therefore apply to child/teenage wearers of the burka.

    Secondly, parents who are so intent on their daughters only leaving the house with a burka are almost certainly likely to respond to the ban by simply not allowing their daughters to leave the house at all, which is likely to be even more damaging.

    Thirdly, you refer to children not being allowed to leave the house without a burka "like the daughters of many religious/traditionalist families". I would contest that the actually proportion of families within the UK (or indeed Europe) that enforce such a lifestyle are vanishingly small, possibly countable on the fingers of a hand or two. I have issue with parents that implicitly sexualise their young daughters by covering them in the name of modesty (with either burka or hijaab), but I have equal issue with the parents who overtly sexualise their young daughters by dressing them up in skimpy clothes and having their faces caked with make-up. I do not however feel it is for the state to get involved in this issue beyond long term education strategies. Active enforcement of bans has so many negative repercussions.

    Quote from: ateapotist
    It's like leaving a cult for some, and people can struggle to adapt to mainstream society.
    The niqab/veil is a tool of segregation to keep Muslim girls pure and chaste, until they get married off to a similarly religious man, and the cult perpetuates.  :sigh:


    I agree, but I don't think it's something the state can intervene in directly.
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