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  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #30 - July 21, 2010, 01:38 PM
    IA... did you read my post AFTER that to you???

     wacko
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  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #31 - July 21, 2010, 01:38 PM
    Quote from: Balthier on July 21, 2010, 01:21 PM
    He did not force her to have sex with him. People get fooled all the time, tough luck. You can not take people to court for such matters. If she was unsure, why sleep with him in the first place? He never forced himself upon her, she consented to having sex. In other words, she put herself in that situation. If she was smallminded and backwards enough to think that some races are not worthy of having sex with, then it just shows what kind of person she really is.


    No he did not, but he still took advantage of her.  She consented ON DIFFERENT GROUNDS..  that's the problem.  It does not matter what she is, her minge, her rules.  Who she chooses to get fucked by is her personal choice and she's not hurting anyone.

    Quote from: Balthier on July 21, 2010, 01:21 PM
    In any case, we do not know all the details. It might not even have been the wrong race issue that might have ticked her off, but rather the arab bragging of having sex with a jew woman, or making derogatory remarks about her that might have made her take the case to court. The ruling is still ludicrous though.


    Didn't he lie to her?  Didn't he pose as something he was not?  That is deception and she has every right to seek justice.   Perhaps he should not be tried for rape as it as both adults consented, but he should definitely be charged with fraud.

    Quote from: Balthier on July 21, 2010, 01:21 PM
    This case can in any case not in any way be correlated to someone lying about being disease free. He lied about his race, which is not such a big issue, unless you are a backward person with a racist mindset.


    Yes it does.  To the woman, race was an issue and it was her body, so she sets the rules, whether they are bigoted or not is irrelevant, she has the right to chose the conditions needed for someone to be eligible to bang her.   Are you going to demand that she must think in a certain way now?  And if this guy lied about this, then he probably lies about other things as well.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #32 - July 21, 2010, 01:43 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on July 21, 2010, 01:22 PM
    Well we are talking about Israel, so...  whistling2


    You think there is no one who thinks like her on the opposing side?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #33 - July 21, 2010, 01:44 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 21, 2010, 01:38 PM
    IA... did you read my post AFTER that to you???

     wacko

    No I didn't at the time I posted my second reply. But my point stands. What happens in Muslim countries should have no bearing on how an Israeli court issues verdicts.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #34 - July 21, 2010, 01:45 PM
    ras.. i suggested that.  no more hypotheses LOL
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  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #35 - July 21, 2010, 01:47 PM
    I don't agree with this ruling, but I'm a little taken aback by some of the posts in this thread too.  Especially the poster who thinks its not only acceptable to lie to a woman to get sex, but that if she falls for the lie she should be tried for prostitution.   wacko  This man isn't a rapist, but let's be honest, he did behave like a complete scumbag.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #36 - July 21, 2010, 01:48 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 01:20 PM
    I'm not well-versed with legal matters but I think your analogy is very different. That would be endangering her health. This guy didn't.


    Ok fine, but the article said that he posed as a Jewish bachelor and she went to him because of that reason.  There was a case of a Hong Kong woman being fooled into having sex with a 60 year old.  She was told that it would cure some sort of ailment she had and she agreed.  There was consent from both sides but it does not make it right either.

    I feel that many members' emotions are clouding their judgment as regards this issue.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #37 - July 21, 2010, 01:49 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:38 PM
    Perhaps he should not be tried for rape as it as both adults consented, but he should definitely be charged with fraud.

    How about a woman who only sleeps with Olympic silver medalists? what if she slept with a bronze medalist who lied to get into her pants? should he be charged with fraud?



    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:38 PM
    Yes it does.  To the woman, race was an issue and it was her body, so she sets the rules, whether they are bigoted or not is irrelevant, she has the right to chose the conditions needed for someone to be eligible to bang her.   Are you going to demand that she must think in a certain way now?

    Yes but there are laws and legal guidlines to be followed.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_rape



    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:38 PM
     And if this guy lied about this, then he probably lies about other things as well.

    So what? everybody lies. Should we criminalize lying?
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #38 - July 21, 2010, 01:50 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:43 PM
    You think there is no one who thinks like her on the opposing side?


    Did I say there isn't? Why should the fact lots of Arabs/Muslims are backward retards take away from the fact that Israelis also can be backward retards?
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #39 - July 21, 2010, 01:51 PM
    He shouldn't charged with *anything*. He's a totally innocent man, perhaps a liar and a scumbag - but if being a lying scumbag was illegal most men would be in prison I think. LOL
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #40 - July 21, 2010, 01:52 PM
    including me ^_^
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #41 - July 21, 2010, 01:53 PM
    Quote
    How about a woman who only sleeps with Olympic silver medalists? what if she slept with a bronze medalist who lied to get into her pants? should he be charged with fraud?


    You're missing the point.  This woman wasn't looking for someone to sleep with, she was looking for a serious relationship, possibly leading to marriage.  Presumably, the family and background she is from would find any non-Jewish husband unacceptable, just as many people on here would have trouble getting their families to accept a bf/gf from a different ethnic/religious background.   To pretend that she had some arbitrary bar against sex with Arabs is trivialising her complaint too much, although I still don't agree that he should have been charged with rape.
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  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #42 - July 21, 2010, 01:54 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:48 PM
    Ok fine, but the article said that he posed as a Jewish bachelor and she went to him because of that reason.  There was a case of a Hong Kong woman being fooled into having sex with a 60 year old.  She was told that it would cure some sort of ailment she had and she agreed.  There was still consent from both sides but it does not make it right either.

    Oh don't me wrong. What he did was abhorrent. But shouldn't be considered rape.


    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:48 PM
    I feel that many members' emotions are clouding their judgment as regards this issue.

    Really? care to elaborate? you mean I'm an Arab who's prejudiced against Israelis? do you think I would've reacted differently if the guy was a Jew and the woman was a Muslim?
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #43 - July 21, 2010, 01:55 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on July 21, 2010, 01:53 PM
    You're missing the point.  This woman wasn't looking for someone to sleep with, she was looking for a serious relationship, possibly leading to marriage.  Presumably, the family and background she is from would find any non-Jewish husband unacceptable, just as many people on here would have trouble getting their families to accept a bf/gf from a different ethnic/religious background.   To pretend that she had some arbitrary bar against sex with Arabs is trivialising her complaint too much, although I still don't agree that he should have been charged with rape.

    No Cheetah, you're missing my point. He's a schmuck and what he did was reprehensible. But he shouldn't be charged with rape or fraud.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #44 - July 21, 2010, 01:56 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 01:49 PM
    How about a woman who only sleeps with Olympic silver medalists? what if she slept with a bronze medalist who lied to get into her pants? should he be charged with fraud?


    Yes

    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 01:49 PM

    Yes but there are laws and legal guidlines to be followed.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_rape


    Granted, the charge was wrong.  It was not rape.  But he was guilty of fraud none the less

    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 01:49 PM
    So what? everybody lies. Should we criminalize lying?


    Do you know how many people's lives have been shattered because of lies?  You can ask the guy (17 years old) who fucked a 13 year old when she told him that she was 16 and in a nightclub and you can ask all of those who invested in Bernard Madoff's scheme
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #45 - July 21, 2010, 01:57 PM
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    No Cheetah, you're missing my point. He's a schmuck and what he did was reprehensible. But he shouldn't be charged with rape or fraud

    I didn't miss that point at all, I agree with it.  If she'd keyed his car, I'd laugh, but prosecuting him is OTT.  However, the comparison with silver medallists or whatever is missing the point that she wasn't with this man as a fling, she was conned into thinking that there was something more than sex going on.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #46 - July 21, 2010, 01:58 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 01:54 PM
    Oh don't me wrong. What he did was abhorrent. But shouldn't be considered rape.


    And I agreed with you..  It wasn't rape.  Do you read my posts?

    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 01:54 PM
    Really? care to elaborate? you mean I'm an Arab who's prejudiced against Israelis? do you think I would've reacted differently if the guy was a Jew and the woman was a Muslim?


    No I simply reminded Iblis that the other side was not free of racism either.  Why are you taking things personally?  Did I ever generalise?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #47 - July 21, 2010, 01:59 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:56 PM
    Do you know how many people's lives have been shattered because of lies?  You can ask the guy (17 years old) who fucked a 13 year old when she told him that she was 16 and in a nightclub and you can ask all of those who invested in Bernard Madoff's scheme


    Really bad argument there.

    I think it's perhaps you whose emotions are clouding your judgement?
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #48 - July 21, 2010, 02:00 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:58 PM
    No I simply reminded Iblis that the other side was not free of it either.  Why are you taking things personally?  Did I ever generalise?


    This is not about the other side. Fuck the other side. This is about a ridiculous israeli law.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #49 - July 21, 2010, 02:00 PM
    Is pretending to be smart and cool to get women into bed a crime too?
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #50 - July 21, 2010, 02:01 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on July 21, 2010, 01:59 PM
    Really bad argument there.

    I think it's perhaps you whose emotions are clouding your judgement?


    Do elaborate then...  Didn't the victims all consent to do things after they were lied to about the conditions?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #51 - July 21, 2010, 02:02 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 02:01 PM
    Do elaborate then...  Didn't the victims all consent to do things after they were lied to about the conditions?


    Are you seriously comparing being scammed out of all your wealth and life savings with consentual sex?
     
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #52 - July 21, 2010, 02:07 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on July 21, 2010, 02:02 PM
    Are you seriously comparing being scammed out of all your wealth and life savings with consentual sex?
     


    I am not saying that one is as bad as the other, but in the end both happened because of the same principle.. consent after false conditions were presented.  The consequences are another issue.  Their magnitude is irrelevant for this argument.  Madoff would not have been able to scam them without their consent either.

     What about my first example?  They guy who consented to having sex with a 13 year old after she lied about her age?  He ended up on the sex offenders list.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #53 - July 21, 2010, 02:09 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:56 PM
    Yes

    What type of fraud does that fall into?


    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:56 PM
    Granted, the charge was wrong.  It was not rape.  But he was guilty of fraud none the less

    What type of fraud does that fall into?


    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:56 PM
    Do you know how many people's lives have been shattered because of lies?  You can ask the guy (17 years old) who fucked a 13 year old when she told him that she was 16 and in a nightclub

    He should've known better. Checked her ID...etc
    And it could be argued that by lying she practically entrapped him into statutory rape whereas this guy didn't do any of that.


    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:56 PM
    and you can ask all of those who invested in Bernard Madoff's scheme

    He stole monye from them. Theft is punishable by law.
    What did this guy steal from her? apart from lying what is it he did that is punishable by law?
    Again, I'm debating the legal aspect of the situation not the morality of it.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #54 - July 21, 2010, 02:13 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on July 21, 2010, 01:57 PM
    I didn't miss that point at all, I agree with it.  If she'd keyed his car, I'd laugh, but prosecuting him is OTT.  However, the comparison with silver medallists or whatever is missing the point that she wasn't with this man as a fling, she was conned into thinking that there was something more than sex going on.

    Do you mean lying about your religion is more malicious and reprehensible than lying about having won a silver medal? sure.
    But legally they're the same. I'm not debating the morality of the issue. They guy is a scumbag. I'm debating the court ruling.

    BTW, the article did say that they had sex in a nearby building after they met. I'm not sure fucking someone right after meeting them is inidicative of interest in a long term relationship.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #55 - July 21, 2010, 02:16 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:58 PM
    And I agreed with you..  It wasn't rape.  Do you read my posts?

    You said "Ok fine, but the article said that he posed as a Jewish bachelor and she went to him because of that reason.  There was a case of a Hong Kong woman being fooled into having sex with a 60 year old.  She was told that it would cure some sort of ailment she had and she agreed.  There was still consent from both sides but it does not make it right either."
    So what made you disagree with me? I also said it was wrong!



    Quote from: ras111 on July 21, 2010, 01:58 PM
    No I simply reminded Iblis that the other side was not free of racism either.  Why are you taking things personally?  Did I ever generalise?

    Because in your reply to me, you said "I feel that many members' emotions are clouding their judgment as regards this issue."
    Who are these "many members"? and why did you say this in a reply to me?
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #56 - July 21, 2010, 02:18 PM
    Quote
    BTW, the article did say that they had sex in a nearby building after they met. I'm not sure fucking someone right after meeting them is inidicative of interest in a long term relationship.


    Maybe, mabye not.  The point I am trying to make is that the attitude of some in this thread that she's some kind of a racist biatch is not borne out by the article itself.  It wasn't as if she expressed any bar against sex with Arab men, she was looking for a Jewish man specifically because she was looking for more than a one night stand.  We all know in a perfect world considerations like that wouldn't come into the search for Mr. or Ms. Right, but in reality they do, and not always because the person is a bigot either.
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  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #57 - July 21, 2010, 02:21 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 02:09 PM
    What type of fraud does that fall into?


    I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to go into any legal semantics, but he introduced himself as a Jew seeking a long term relationship and she consented because she fell for it.  That is fraud, it is deception.  You are taking advantage of another person's ignorance.  It may be considered as deliberate deception which is considered as an offense under various criminal codes

    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 02:09 PM
    He should've known better. Checked her ID...etc
    And it could be argued that by lying she practically entrapped him into statutory rape whereas this guy didn't do any of that.


    She was in a nightclub where she was not supposed not to have been by law.  Are you going to blame him?  It is like punishing a rape victim for not arming herself or going out in a big group after she gets assaulted.

    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on July 21, 2010, 02:09 PM
    He stole monye from them. Theft is punishable by law.
    What did this guy steal from her? apart from lying what is it he did that is punishable by law?
    Again, I'm debating the legal aspect of the situation not the morality of it.


    Theft is another charge, but the point is that he would not have been able to carry out that theft had he not intentionally deceived his victims and presented himself as/ or something that was not what it appeared to be.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #58 - July 21, 2010, 02:23 PM
    Look I've been in this situation myself once. I met this girl and she was great, she told me she was white and I was like "cool, i like white people" and so we hooked up and she let me into her place and you know we got a little tongue action goin, hehe. Then she starts undressing and when she takes off her pants I realize she's got this amazing fly booty thats like all up in my face, oh yeaaaah. So we like git it on doggy style n shit, good stuff, bumpin n grinding. Baby baby. And so we're done and satisfied and as I lie there I start thinkin about her big booty and I realize something... SHE'S ACTUALLY BLACK!!! OMG!!! SHE LIED TO ME!!! I WOULD NEVER HAVE SEX WITH A BLACK PERSON!! OMG!!!!!!  Cry
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: He was Arab so it was rape , unbelievable
     Reply #59 - July 21, 2010, 02:25 PM
    Although Kashur was initially charged with rape and indecent assault, this was changed to a charge of rape by deception as part of a plea bargain arrangement.

    No matter how we looked at this. It certainly does make Israel look like a petty and backward country, when they convict someone for rape in such a matter.
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