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 Topic: A Request for Introduction

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  • A Request for Introduction
     OP - July 25, 2010, 07:54 PM
    I'm Maya and I recently joined here having read quite a few of the topics.

    Ok well....  All I have to say really is that I've always thought all religion is bullshit, I believe none of it and nothing I've heard or read so far about any of the religions has convinced me to think of them as anything but pie-in-sky fairytales.

    Anyway I've come to the conclusion that I'm missing out on something.  I see all these tales of people who are ex-this and ex-that and I want somebody to convince me into believing a religion.  I think I'll plump for Islam - that seems to be the trendiest at the moment.

    Can anyone point me to somewhere or someone who can talk me into becoming a muslim and believing?     One muslim has tried his best to get me to convert and believe but so far I'm having none of it.  Tales of Mohammed and Allah just make me laugh out loud at how anybody can be so stupid as to believe such crap.

    Anyone up for the challenge?   Cheesy

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #1 - July 25, 2010, 08:07 PM
    The quran is true, or ill kill you?  Working so far?
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #2 - July 25, 2010, 08:11 PM
    That's too unsophisticated dear deusvult! You have missed the seduction phase [the most important phase before you sink in the hook!]. You will never make a good dawahgandist. This one appears to be a tough cookie though! Unleash MRasheed and Abdul Fattah on her,let us see how she fares!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #3 - July 25, 2010, 08:21 PM
    Quote from: Maya on July 25, 2010, 07:54 PM
    I'm Maya and I recently joined here having read quite a few of the topics.

    Ok well....  All I have to say really is that I've always thought all religion is bullshit, I believe none of it and nothing I've heard or read so far about any of the religions has convinced me to think of them as anything but pie-in-sky fairytales.

    Anyway I've come to the conclusion that I'm missing out on something.  I see all these tales of people who are ex-this and ex-that and I want somebody to convince me into believing a religion.  I think I'll plump for Islam - that seems to be the trendiest at the moment.

    Can anyone point me to somewhere or someone who can talk me into becoming a muslim and believing?     One muslim has tried his best to get me to convert and believe but so far I'm having none of it.  Tales of Mohammed and Allah just make me laugh out loud at how anybody can be so stupid as to believe such crap.

    Anyone up for the challenge?   Cheesy




    http://www.ummah.com/forum/
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #4 - July 25, 2010, 08:31 PM
    Hi deusvult - no sorry, not working.  Wink 

    I'm thinking you might be suspecting that I'm joking with the above post,  but honestly I'm not.  I really want to know what it's all about. I was born a christian but even as a child I never believed any of it and rebelled and refused to attend sunday schools etc.  At school I disrupted religious education classes.   Nobody ever came close to making me even think of believing and now I'm thinking there must be something wrong with me for feeling as I do. 

    You recommend that forum Blackdog?   Will they be ok with someone joining there who feels like I do or am I likely to get banned at first post?  lol   
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #5 - July 25, 2010, 08:35 PM
    Why don't we arm her for the struggle ? Let us have some member who tells us a story of how she successfully resisted Islam for a change! From lambs who were led to slaughter, we now have a 'tigress' willing to take on the Islamists. Hope she doesn't end up making a you tube video revealing how she discovered that 'Islam is a true religion' following 'THE WORD OF GOD' Lmao

    This prolonged recession is taking a heavy toll, dawahgandists must be laughing their way to the mosque!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #6 - July 25, 2010, 08:38 PM
    I would follow backlog's advice.  Though if you've heard the Christian explanation for god you've heard just about the same arguments you'll hear there.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #7 - July 25, 2010, 08:40 PM
    Black dog's advice. Damn spell correct.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #8 - July 25, 2010, 09:04 PM
    Hmmmm ok thanks but I doubt the same old arguments will work for me now any more than they did then.  

    Telling me I'll forever burn in hell for not believing or committing "sins" or that I'll keep being brought back to be burnt over and over again (as my muslim son-in-law has tried to tell me) - well this is the kind of crap that will do anything but make me believe in it so if that's what they'll try to do there's no point me even joining there.  Roll Eyes


    So what's this seduction method you mention Hypocrucifier - don't think anyone's tried that approach with me yet.  dance
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #9 - July 25, 2010, 09:06 PM
    Might as well try it out. Who knows you might be convinced.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #10 - July 25, 2010, 09:14 PM
    Yes I'm willing to try but I just don't see what, if anything, will be able to convince me.     I can't be a fake and pretend, I really want to feel it, this all-encompassing faith, if that makes sense.  Smiley
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #11 - July 25, 2010, 09:15 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on July 25, 2010, 08:40 PM
    Black dog's advice. Damn spell correct.


    Thank you Smiley
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #12 - July 25, 2010, 09:23 PM
    Quote from: Maya on July 25, 2010, 07:54 PM
    I'm Maya and I recently joined here having read quite a few of the topics.

    Ok well....  All I have to say really is that I've always thought all religion is bullshit, I believe none of it and nothing I've heard or read so far about any of the religions has convinced me to think of them as anything but pie-in-sky fairytales.

    Anyway I've come to the conclusion that I'm missing out on something.  I see all these tales of people who are ex-this and ex-that and I want somebody to convince me into believing a religion.  I think I'll plump for Islam - that seems to be the trendiest at the moment.

    Can anyone point me to somewhere or someone who can talk me into becoming a muslim and believing?     One muslim has tried his best to get me to convert and believe but so far I'm having none of it.  Tales of Mohammed and Allah just make me laugh out loud at how anybody can be so stupid as to believe such crap.

    Anyone up for the challenge?   Cheesy



    Go in to some desert Islamic  lands .. and there  some one beats you up and force burqa on you in that 100 degree heat...,  then you will become good Muslim., Otherwise infidels like you  always talk  filthy on Prophet's relgion..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #13 - July 25, 2010, 09:25 PM
     Cheesy
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #14 - July 25, 2010, 09:39 PM
    Cheesy @ hypocrucifier.  You crack me up man.

    @Maya:
    Critical thinkers cannot be converted into any of the Abrahamic religions (or any religion, for that matter).
    It sounds like you are a strongly critical thinker, and have been since childhood.  So it ain't gonna work with you.  Smiley
    People convert to absurd religions because their cognitive biases fooled them into thinking these religions are true or a safe bet (to avoid hellfire!).   Smiley

    One very popular argument Muslims use is: "look at the Qur'an.  Isn't it amazing?  No man could have authored it!"  
    But when you look at the Qur'an, you are not at all impressed.
    See http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=ca680fd9d165e819475f3afae5fab02d
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #15 - July 25, 2010, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on July 25, 2010, 09:25 PM
    Cheesy



    I AM JUST KIDDING dear Maya.. Iblis is bad guy..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #16 - July 25, 2010, 09:53 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on July 25, 2010, 09:42 PM
    Iblis is bad guy..


     Cry
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #17 - July 25, 2010, 10:41 PM
    LOL yeezevee, that might well be one of the only ways that might work with me - to be physically forced or something  Cheesy however that, in itself, certainly wouldn't make me believe and that is what I need. To truly believe.

    There must be some way of getting a non-believer to truly believe, there just must.  Huh?

    @ ateapotist - I suspect you're right but I have no idea why I'm such a critical thinker.  I received the same religious education that countless others did yet it never got through to me.   As soon as I heard about some supposed god in the sky I just relegated it to the same ranks as the fairytale books I so used to love reading as a kid.  I never really believed those fairytales either I just enjoyed reading them lol. 

    Because I felt that by being forced to have religious education was patronising to me I felt no guilt in disrupting all those classes.  It was very easy to do and I even enjoyed all the mayhem I created because it meant I didn't have to listen to all the crap.  Obviously this wasn't allowed by the school and so my parents were sent for.  I clearly remember to this day my mother being upset and crying in the headmistress's office at my behaviour and me being embarrassed at HER behaviour and thinking "ffs even my own mother believes all this crap".   I'm not proud of what I did but I just couldn't sit there and listen to this rubbish and felt very angry that I was being expected to.

    Over the years my views on religion haven't changed yet at the same time I've wanted to know how it feels to truly believe in something. 


    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #18 - July 25, 2010, 10:44 PM
    Welcome, Maya.

    I advise you to join the army. Apparently there are no atheists in foxholes.
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #19 - July 25, 2010, 11:04 PM
    Thanks for the welcome Abood but I could never join the army - that would mean going to places like Afghanistan and having to kill people.  I don't believe in that either, nor could I ever contemplate killing a fox. 
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #20 - July 25, 2010, 11:09 PM
    Welcome Maya. Smiley Yours has been by far a most entertaining intro thread around here in a while Cheesy So glad you found our little enclave. Enjoy Smiley
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #21 - July 25, 2010, 11:41 PM
     
    Quote from: Maya on July 25, 2010, 10:41 PM
    LOL yeezevee, that might well be one of the only ways that might work with me - to be physically forced or something  Cheesy however that, in itself, certainly wouldn't make me believe and that is what I need. To truly believe.

    There must be some way of getting a non-believer to truly believe, there just must.  Huh?


    But that is true to not only to you but also to  millions of Muslim guys and girls also Maya. Suppose tomorrow morning a UN body with powerful weapons in the hand sternly warns all Muslim countries that persecute those people who question basics of religions such as this guy.. Mohamed Nazim

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sN3u_SLZ9E

     and see this news...

    http://minivannews.com/politics/apostate-publicly-repents-and-rejoins-islam-after-counselling-7704

    and say UN will protect and support financially ..jobs and other wise in their countries.,  Then I am sure   many Muslim  will come out of that ISLAMIC SHELL .. What all i mean to say is there is and there was FORCE involved in Muslims  not questioning or not leaving Mr. Muhammad's Islam.
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #22 - July 25, 2010, 11:55 PM
    Quote from: Maya on July 25, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Anyone up for the challenge?   Cheesy

    Join FFI, you'll end up defending Islam.
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  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #23 - July 26, 2010, 12:00 AM
    Grin
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #24 - July 26, 2010, 12:01 AM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on July 25, 2010, 08:11 PM
    That's too unsophisticated dear deusvult! You have missed the seduction phase [the most important phase before you sink in the hook!]. You will never make a good dawahgandist. This one appears to be a tough cookie though! Unleash MRasheed and Abdul Fattah on her,let us see how she fares!


    +1   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #25 - July 26, 2010, 12:05 AM
    Quote from: Maya on July 25, 2010, 09:14 PM
    Yes I'm willing to try but I just don't see what, if anything, will be able to convince me.     I can't be a fake and pretend, I really want to feel it, this all-encompassing faith, if that makes sense.  Smiley


    oh maya!!  (First, welcome to CEMB... ) thats how they sucker americans in.
    by FEELING, because their rationale doesnt work on the western mindset LOL.
    (been there, done that--  got duped big time by "feeling"  a duaa)
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #26 - July 26, 2010, 12:26 AM
    Quote from: Maya on July 25, 2010, 07:54 PM
    I'm Maya and I recently joined here having read quite a few of the topics.

    Ok well....  All I have to say really is that I've always thought all religion is bullshit, I believe none of it and nothing I've heard or read so far about any of the religions has convinced me to think of them as anything but pie-in-sky fairytales.

    Anyway I've come to the conclusion that I'm missing out on something.  I see all these tales of people who are ex-this and ex-that and I want somebody to convince me into believing a religion.  I think I'll plump for Islam - that seems to be the trendiest at the moment.

    Can anyone point me to somewhere or someone who can talk me into becoming a muslim and believing?     One muslim has tried his best to get me to convert and believe but so far I'm having none of it.  Tales of Mohammed and Allah just make me laugh out loud at how anybody can be so stupid as to believe such crap.

    Anyone up for the challenge?   Cheesy




    look
    if you hold no current beliefs
    don't worry about it
    you're asking us to set you up for a grand crash
    just so you can be one of us
    don't be foolish
    even alcoholics anonymous has alanon
    you don't NEED to crash your car in a DUI
    just so you can understand our point
    you're already there
    it's all bunk
    that's it
    that's all
    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #27 - July 26, 2010, 12:49 AM
    Thanks for the welcome allat and Jinn and Tonic.  Smiley

    I'm not sure what FFI is IsLame but I'll look into it lol.

    Thanks for the video and links yeezevee and, like you, all I saw there was a man forced back into a religion he still doesn't believe.  :(  

    I understand what you're saying about the scenerio you mention regarding the muslims but if they truly don't believe then they should be able to leave if they so desire.  A believer should be a true believer and willingly and lovingly become a good muslim, christian, or whatever.  A true believer would never want to leave and this is what I'm referring to when I say I truly want to experience what it is like to believe so faithfully in something without question or doubt.  

    I do feel that anyone who truly believes is not open to persuasion or otherwise to leave and disregard all that they believe in.

    J&T you say you had that feeling.  What was it that happened or was said to you that made you feel, made you believe something you previously never felt or believed?  This is what I'm looking for but which is proving so elusive.

    So, Shadizar and yeezevee, the great feeling of truly believing doesn't exist either?   Huh?
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #28 - July 26, 2010, 01:13 AM
    Put on your favorite music group
    crank the dial
    and enjoy your new found "faith"
    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: A Request for Introduction
     Reply #29 - July 26, 2010, 02:54 AM
    Maya said:  J&T you say you had that feeling.  What was it that happened or was said to you that made you feel, made you believe something you previously never felt or believed?  This is what I'm looking for but which is proving so elusive.

    Honestly, i had been searching since i was 16 (im 50 now) for my
    niche, or know my place with "god", if you will.  I WANTED to
    believe in the big sky daddy.  I felt it deeply as an xian, but found
    out i was in a serious cult, and took me years to get out of it.  
    Much of it, once i was fully involved, was fear-based.  So by the
    time their doctrine had gripped you, it wasnt easy to get out.  you were
    too afraid to leave.  I have sought "truth" in too many arenas
    to mention, but suffice it to say, Islam was my last ditch effort
    to have a "relationship" with god.  In retrospect, i can see now
    it was the same yearning i had when i joined that xian church.  
    I did NOT want to believe god didnt exist. Plus, the blasphemy
    implications (all fear based) would not allow me to "go there".  

    In islam i got tired of the repetitive prayer.  I wanted a "personal" relationship.  Not some
    far away diety who could care less about anything but me just being a slave to god.  None
    of the muslims i met at my masjid "seemed" very happy either.  It appeared to be all show,
    no "emotional" draw towards god, but just going thru the motions because thats what was
    expected of them, and myself.  There was no joy.  Only a sense that i had properly performed wudu five times a day, and not forgetten any of the rakkas.  I started to
    question the CONTENT of Al fatiah. I worried more about proper arabic pronunciation
    than actually act of praying.  Man, theres so much more but i will stop
    here for now.  (BTW, i know more surrahs and surrats since ive become
    an exmuslim  Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
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