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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #390 - August 13, 2010, 12:08 PM
    Quote from: s12345 on August 11, 2010, 07:05 PM
    allah hu gaybar Cheesy


    Now that WOULD be a good name for it. Well done!
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #391 - August 16, 2010, 02:06 PM
    MORE FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON THIS
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #392 - August 16, 2010, 05:36 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on August 12, 2010, 04:59 PM
    Just got this message on Tarek Fatah's facebook account!



    is there an update on whos funding the mosque ?
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #393 - August 16, 2010, 10:09 PM


    American Muslim organization says President Obama is wrong

    Quote
    August 15, 2010
    AIFD
    American Islamic Forum for Democracy

    STATEMENT

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


    PHOENIX (August 15, 2010) - Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, a devout Muslim and the president and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy issued the following statement regarding remarks from President Obama on the proposed mosque and Islamic Center at Ground Zero:


    "As an American Muslim whose family fled persecution in Syria and as someone who has stood in the face of some resistance to the building of many of our houses of worship in the U.S., I fully understand the value of standing for religious freedom in America. But President Obama's statement about the Ground Zero mosque at last night's White House Iftar dinner is the latest example of political correctness gone awry.


    The President commented that:



    "Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America."



    Yes, Mr. President, this is America and you have fundamentally misunderstood the stakes in this discussion and the sentiments of the American people. Instead, you have focused on the very issue that the Islamist propagandists wish you to-- the narrative that Americans somehow need lectures about Islam, Muslims, and religious freedom.


    Your message to Americans will be spun on Al Jazeera and by Islamists across the world that President Obama reassured a friendly global Muslim audience at the White House Ramadan dinner that he was going to remind Americans about the principles of religious freedom for Muslims since they seem to be trampling over those principles in the local dispute at Ground Zero in New York.


    Mr. President this is not about religious freedom. It is about the importance of the World Trade Center site to the psyche of the American People. It is about a blatant attack on our sovereignty by people whose ideology ultimately demands the elimination of our way of life. While Imam Faisal Rauf may not share their violent tendencies he does seem to share a belief that Islamic structures are a political statement and even Ground Zero should be looked upon through the lens of political Islam and not a solely American one.


    As a Muslim desperate to reform his faith, your remarks take us backwards from the day that my faith will come into modernity. I do not stand to eliminate Imam Rauf's religious freedom; I stand to make sure that my children's religious freedom will be determined by the liberty guaranteed in the American Constitution and not by clerics or leaders who are apologists for shar'iah law and will tell me what religious freedom is.


    'Park 51', 'The Cordoba House' or whatever they are calling it today should not be built, not because it is not their right to do it - but because it is not right to do it." Mr. President, your involvement in this issue is divisive not uniting. Your follow-up stating that 'you will not speak to the wisdom of the construction of that mosque and center' indicates a passive-aggressive meddling on your part that only marginalizes those Muslim and non-Muslim voices against it while pretending to understand both sides of the debate.


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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #394 - August 16, 2010, 10:12 PM
    Quote from: canex on August 16, 2010, 05:36 PM
    is there an update on whos funding the mosque ?

    not seen anything
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #395 - August 16, 2010, 10:33 PM
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    As an American Muslim whose family fled persecution in Syria and as someone who has stood in the face of some resistance to the building of many of our houses of worship in the U.S., I fully understand the value of standing for religious freedom in America. But President Obama's statement about the Ground Zero mosque at last night's White House Iftar dinner is the latest example of political correctness gone awry.

    Quote
    Yes, Mr. President, this is America and you have fundamentally misunderstood the stakes in this discussion and the sentiments of the American people. Instead, you have focused on the very issue that the Islamist propagandists wish you to-- the narrative that Americans somehow need lectures about Islam, Muslims, and religious freedom.

     
    Quote
    While Imam Faisal Rauf may not share their violent tendencies he does seem to share a belief that Islamic structures are a political statement and even Ground Zero should be looked upon through the lens of political Islam and not a solely American one.

    Quote
    As a Muslim desperate to reform his faith, your remarks take us backwards from the day that my faith will come into modernity. I do not stand to eliminate Imam Rauf's religious freedom; I stand to make sure that my children's religious freedom will be determined by the liberty guaranteed in the American Constitution and not by clerics or leaders who are apologists for shar'iah law and will tell me what religious freedom is.

    Wow, Dr. Jasseer is extremely insightful. Afro

    He has some strong premises, but I don't think they tie into his conclusion.
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #396 - August 17, 2010, 06:26 AM
    Imam Feisal is simply playing an Islamic deception disguised as the bogus claim of so-called Interfaith dialogue—which for Muslims is nothing but a tactic of Stealth Jihad. Islam is the most intolerant religion; it does not recognize/tolerate any other religion on earth. Hence, interfaith dialogue between Islam and other religions is pure mockery and hypocritical. That “Islam is a religion of peace”, which is repeatedly sermonized in interfaith meetings, is the biggest lie ever told. Many gullible Muslims, unaware of the content of their religion, can be peaceful, but make no mistake that Islam is a viciously violent religion, and it has and can never be peaceful. Radical Islamists (pure Muslims) are the most intolerant people on earth. Fact is: Quran is replete with Allah’s clarion call to kill or fight against all non-Muslims. Readers can find the truth about Quran right here:... FULL ARTICLE
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #397 - August 17, 2010, 06:35 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzp5sKG0NX0
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #398 - August 17, 2010, 10:19 PM

    David Paterson expects to meet soon with mosque developers

    Quote
    By Jason Horowitz and Chris Cillizza
    Updated at 3:41 p.m.
    New York Gov. David Paterson, who last week sought to entice the backers of a proposed mosque near Ground Zero to consider another location, expects to meet soon with the Islamic center's developers, a spokesman for the governor said Tuesday.

    "We are working with the developers on a staff level but there have not been any formal discussions between the governor and Imam or developer," said spokesman Morgan Hook. "However, we expect to have a meeting scheduled in the near future."

    Paterson (D) told Rep. Peter King (R) he will meet "later this week" with the imam and developer of the proposed mosque to discuss the possibility of building in an "alternate location," the congressman said in an interview. King, an outspoken opponent of placing the mosque and Islamic cultural center so close to where terrorists attacked on Sept. 11, 2001, said Paterson told him about the meeting in a phone call Tuesday morning.

    In a statement, however, developers of the Islamic complex denied that they had agreed to meet with Paterson. "To the best of our knowledge, a meeting has not been scheduled," read the statement. "We appreciate the Governor's interest as we continue to have conversations with many officials."

    The issue, which has been bubbling in New York City for months, took on a national profile on Friday when President Obama seemed to offer a tacit endorsement of the construction by expressing support for religious freedom. Less than 24 hours later, however, Obama recalibrated his message, saying that he had not meant to talk specifically about any one mosque and that he meant to speak broadly about the need for religious tolerance.

    On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.), who faces a tough re-election race this fall, issued a statement in which he declared support for moving the mosque to an alternate location.

    Republicans -- particularly those looking at running for president in 2012 -- have hammered away at Obama and Democrats for insensitivity and ignoring the wishes of families of some of those killed in the attacks.

    Last week, Paterson offered state assistance if the mosque's developers would agree to move the project farther from the site -- an idea they rejected. Paterson said that, while he had "no objection" to the project as planned, he was "very sensitive to the desire of those who are adamant against it to see something else worked out."

    "I think it's rather clear that building a center there meets all the requirements, but it does seem to ignite an immense amount of anxiety among the citizens of New York and people everywhere, and I think not without cause," Paterson said at an Aug. 10 news conference in Manhattan, according to published reports. He noted that "we really are still suffering in many respects" from the Sept. 11 attacks.

    The developer declined the offer. "While we have a tremendous amount of respect for our governor... this has always been about serving Lower Manhattan," mosque developer Sharif El-Gamal said, according to reports.


    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/white-house/by-jason-horowitz-and-chris-ci.html

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #399 - August 17, 2010, 10:28 PM
    When this mosque is built, I fear christian fundamentalists or perhaps some other protest group is going to blow this mosque up & spark some kind of crisis
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #400 - August 18, 2010, 01:25 AM
    Quote from: DH on August 17, 2010, 06:26 AM
    Imam Feisal is simply playing an Islamic deception disguised as the bogus claim of so-called Interfaith dialogue—which for Muslims is nothing but a tactic of Stealth Jihad. Islam is the most intolerant religion; it does not recognize/tolerate any other religion on earth. Hence, interfaith dialogue between Islam and other religions is pure mockery and hypocritical. That “Islam is a religion of peace”, which is repeatedly sermonized in interfaith meetings, is the biggest lie ever told. Many gullible Muslims, unaware of the content of their religion, can be peaceful, but make no mistake that Islam is a viciously violent religion, and it has and can never be peaceful. Radical Islamists (pure Muslims) are the most intolerant people on earth. Fact is: Quran is replete with Allah’s clarion call to kill or fight against all non-Muslims. Readers can find the truth about Quran right here:... FULL ARTICLE


    Yes it's tasteless and it isn't right to build the mosque there but as to whether or not Islam is a good or bad religion is irrelevant.
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #401 - August 18, 2010, 01:28 AM
    I love how very few in the media are annoyed that it's state land that is being offered to the Mosque Developer if they move.
    State land = Voter land.
    If I was the owner, I'd move the Mosque. Who doesn't want free land?
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #402 - August 18, 2010, 03:55 AM
    It would be shot down though.  100 % guaranteed to be unconstitutional.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #403 - August 18, 2010, 04:06 AM
    Quote from: deusvult on August 18, 2010, 03:55 AM
    It would be shot down though.  100 % guaranteed to be unconstitutional.


    Oh ofc, it would be a violation unless some sort of exchange is done. I don't think the first amendment bars State from deals with religious groups.
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #404 - August 18, 2010, 04:46 AM
    Quote from: Maya on August 18, 2010, 01:25 AM
    Yes it's tasteless and it isn't right to build the mosque there but as to whether or not Islam is a good or bad religion is irrelevant.


    No what is relevent is that Islam is not JUST a religion but a supranational political entity with a political agenda whose activists destroyed the World Trade Center in 2001.  Do you take issue with this description of Islam?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #405 - August 18, 2010, 04:50 AM
    Uhhh... almost all religious are political systems in that they assert that certain interpersonal actions and interpersonal actions are good while others are bad.  Islam just has a more fully developed system.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #406 - August 18, 2010, 05:18 AM
     
    Quote from: deusvult
    Uhhh... almost all religious are political systems in that they assert that certain interpersonal actions and interpersonal actions are good while others are bad.  Islam just has a more fully developed system.


    And in which sense is Islam "more fully developed"?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #407 - August 18, 2010, 09:14 AM


    Ground Zero Mosque Organizers to Israeli Newspaper: 'Go Back to Publishing Yiddish Fables!'

    Quote
    How's this for "creating dialogue"?

    Yesterday, organizers of the Ground Zero mosque project took to Twitter to slam Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, after the paper incorrectly reported that plans for the controversial Islamic prayer center were being abandoned.

    But some say the mosque's organizers went too far by mocking Ha'aretz with references to Jewish culture.

    "On a side note, if Haaretz likes publishing fables, perhaps they could go back to the Yiddish ones with parables #welikethosebetter," Tweeted Park51, which calls itself the "official Twitter account" of the Ground Zero mosque project. Yiddish is a language that originated with and was used primarily by the Ashkenazi Jewish community in Eastern Europe.

    After the Tweet caused a small outcry with some calling it "anti-semitic," Park51 appeared to remove the comment from its Twitter page, though there is still a link available to the original statement.

    "Fine lemme retract the yiddish one and restate - the intent was that Haaretz published an unsubstantiated fable not a fact," Park51 Tweeted, in an attempt to backtrack on statement. "Apparently we can take a bashing all day but we can't make a jab about fables. :("

    Later, Park51 attempted to explain the reasoning behind the Yiddish dig. "I meant it as a joke as my cousin's mother used to tell us Yiddish stories as kids (she's Jewish)," Park51 Tweeted.

    Ah, the Ground Zero mosque project. Building bridges between cultures, one Jewish joke at a time.


    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/alana-goodman/2010/08/17/ground-zero-mosque-organizers-israeli-newspaper-go-back-publishing-yi



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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #408 - August 18, 2010, 10:35 AM
    Quote from: DH on August 18, 2010, 04:46 AM
    No what is relevent is that Islam is not JUST a religion but a supranational political entity with a political agenda whose activists destroyed the World Trade Center in 2001.  Do you take issue with this description of Islam?


    What I think of Islam is also irrelevant with regard to this mosque being built. What Islam is or isn't is not the issue.  The way I see it is there is no law to stop this going ahead and no amount of pointing out the obvious or arguing agendas is going to change anything.  Don't want it?  Then change the law, the constitution or whatever it is that's allowing it to go ahead.
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #409 - August 18, 2010, 01:18 PM
    Quote from: DH on August 18, 2010, 05:18 AM

    And in which sense is Islam "more fully developed"?

    i thought he already said it in the post, but as a political & social system I assume
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #410 - August 18, 2010, 01:19 PM
    Quote from: Meredith on August 18, 2010, 01:28 AM
    I love how very few in the media are annoyed that it's state land that is being offered to the Mosque Developer if they move.
    State land = Voter land.
    If I was the owner, I'd move the Mosque. Who doesn't want free land?

    I thought it was private property that they have purchased.  Is this not the case?
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #411 - August 18, 2010, 01:24 PM
    It is, but the governor of the state offered public lands if they moved somewhere else.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #412 - August 18, 2010, 02:53 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZpT2Muxoo0
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #413 - August 19, 2010, 05:33 AM
    Quote from: Maya
    What I think of Islam is also irrelevant with regard to this mosque being built.  What Islam is or isn't is not the issue.


    Of course it is the issue. If Islam is not "just another religion" but a foreign-based supranational political movement responsible for 9-11 then this is clearly a valid consideration regarding whether this - or any other mosque for that matter - should be permitted in the USA. Furthermore, Islam per se has proved itself to be a serious threat to US national security and this is clearly sufficient cause NOT to allow it the same freedoms as, say, Bahaiism.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #414 - August 19, 2010, 06:06 AM
    Quote from: DH on August 19, 2010, 05:33 AM
    Of course it is the issue. If Islam is not "just another religion" but a foreign-based supranational political movement responsible for 9-11 then this is clearly a valid consideration regarding whether this - or any other mosque for that matter - should be permitted in the USA. Furthermore, Islam per se has proved itself to be a serious threat to US national security and this is clearly sufficient cause NOT to allow it the same freedoms as, say, Bahaiism.


    I do think the west is somewhat naieve about islam. Islam allows for extremists to breed unfortuneately, even though some genuinely want mosques to worship in, some mullahs use it to preach hate. Although it maybe better to have mosques - which can be infiltrated easier than extermists groups forming in homes...

    But I don't think people should be so alarmed, I think the majority of muslims are 'moderate' in the sense they just want to live their lives (go to work, watch tv etc, pray in their own way) just like everyone else.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #415 - August 19, 2010, 09:27 AM
    I think this description of Islam being intrinsically a 'supranational political entity' is sort of naive of the fact that every muslim does not follow this interpretation. The Qur'an is a piece of literature, and with any piece of literature it is subject to interpretation. Whether these interpretations make sense or not is not the point, the fact that they are existent means that you cannot attribute one interpretation and represent it as the whole. With this in mind, I'm not going to say that Islam does not readily lend itself to the interpretation of it as being explicitly a political philosophy as well as a moral and religious basis for one's beliefs.

    With all of this in mind however, I fail to see why this is relevant. They have the right to build this mosque as long as it violates no zoning laws and they have the money to pay for it. I'd be against it if it was government funded, but it's not. If anyone is sensitive to the fact it's a mosque, it doesn't matter. Just because it is near the site of the World Trade Center doesn't mean it is neccessarily alluding to the event.

    Despite all of this, I do take issue to the ambiguity surrounding whether this is going to be a mosque or a 'multi-faith center'. A multi-faith center run exclusively by muslims is akin to an atheist website run by theists. It's a nonsensical concept and they should just call a spade a spade. However, if it IS a multifaith center then they're going to have to acknowledge that they have to give equal treatment to those of all faiths and allocate indiscriminantly spaces for those of all faiths when requested, which is partly why I think it's nonsensical for muslims to exclusively run a multi-faith center as this indiscriminatory treatment of those of all religions is impossible.
  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #416 - August 19, 2010, 11:40 AM
    Quote from: DH on August 19, 2010, 05:33 AM
    Of course it is the issue. If Islam is not "just another religion" but a foreign-based supranational political movement responsible for 9-11 then this is clearly a valid consideration regarding whether this - or any other mosque for that matter - should be permitted in the USA. Furthermore, Islam per se has proved itself to be a serious threat to US national security and this is clearly sufficient cause NOT to allow it the same freedoms as, say, Bahaiism.


    If? You said Islam is not JUST a religion but a supranational political entity with a political agenda. Please tell me who exactly believes this to be the case?  Do you think the majority of people do?  Do you think western governments do?    Do you think the US govt. should designate Islam as such and remove it's status as a religion and so make Islam illegal?   wacko
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #417 - August 19, 2010, 04:20 PM
    After reading all the opinions and thoughts on this, one question comes to mind.
    Who and how did this become front page news to begin with?  After all, wasn't
    this a mosque before? (per  the "where two or more muslims have prayed, that
    place is a "mosque")  and how is it suddenly no longer a mosque, but a cultural
    center that just happens to have "prayer space" upstairs?  Wouldn't that "prayer
    space" be considered mosque-worthy?  If in fact they are now changing it to be
    a "cultural center", this would also entitle them to govt grants and funding, right?
    (re: separation of church and state).  Okay, I have calmed down and thought this
    through some more.  Trying to understand what all the hoopla is to begin with.  And
    again, who were the ones who blasted this news from the proverbial mountain tops
    to begin with?  Seems its a wild goose chase gone awry, and as someone stated,
    wouldn't it be better to be a public place vs hardcores and fanatics making plans
    in secret?  

    It reminds me of a dawagandist in chicago, who called his fellow muslims at his
    mosque "muslim uncle toms" for selling out potential radicals to the FBI.
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #418 - August 19, 2010, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on August 19, 2010, 04:20 PM
    And
    again, who were the ones who blasted this news from the proverbial mountain tops
    to begin with?

    Yeah, those Churchies.  Roll Eyes

    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on August 19, 2010, 04:20 PM
    It reminds me of a dawagandist in chicago, who called his fellow muslims at his
    mosque "muslim uncle toms" for selling out potential radicals to the FBI.

    Which one?
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  • Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
     Reply #419 - August 19, 2010, 04:28 PM
    weasel. I am not sure which one, to be honest, this discussion just reminded me
    of a conversation I had with one of my "teachers" lol.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
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