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Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
Reply #270 - August 03, 2010, 06:07 PM

Quote from: Ram on August 03, 2010, 04:25 PM
Building of the mosque on the site so close to the Ground Zero is like rubbing salt on the wound and it is extremely insensitive of Muslims. Muslims always have had the freedom of religion in the USA but they still consider the USA enemy of Islam. This will never change. Muslims will alwyas hate Israel, America and India in that order. Muslims have freedom of religion in Israel and India also, that fact is irrelevant as far as Muslims are concerned.

1) American Muslims don't hate USA.
2) You are right about Israel as long as Palestine is getting murdered
3) No Muslims gives two shits about that shit hole India except Indian Muslims
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Reply #271 - August 03, 2010, 06:07 PM

Well I will say this is that, the Ground Zero Mosque was a stupid idea in that now all it did was stir up the anger and hatred for the Muslims in this country. This could have waited another 5 years. Now its Muslims themselves that have to face the heat.

Especially considering they plan on building it next September, the 10th Anniversary of 9/11
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Reply #272 - August 03, 2010, 06:14 PM

Quote from: _truth_ on August 03, 2010, 06:07 PM
Especially considering they plan on building it next September, the 10th Anniversary of 9/11

Probably not true.
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Reply #273 - August 03, 2010, 06:21 PM

Actually it is the truth. I can't remember the article I was reading it in. However now with all the commotion, it may have changed
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Reply #274 - August 03, 2010, 06:22 PM

Just because it was in an article doesn't mean it's true. Media don't usually check their facts. It's hearsay.

It's not very possible for a mosque to open within just over a year of the start of its construction, especially not in a place like NYC.
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Reply #275 - August 03, 2010, 06:26 PM

No you understood me wrong. I didnt say open. I meant the construction of it will start next year
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Reply #276 - August 04, 2010, 04:43 AM

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and NY has nothing to do with Christianity.

So what? If Muslims want to follow a religion that imbues Mecca with some special "holiness" then that's THEIR problem. To American Jews and Christians Mecca is just another city like New York. If Muslims should be allowed to build mosques in any American city like New York, then it is perfectly reasonable that Americans should be free to build imposing places of worship in any city in the "Muslim world" including Mecca.

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Reply #277 - August 04, 2010, 05:06 AM

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Don't play nonsense and utter shit propaganda with me. Rome is not a "holy city" of any sort.

Christians say it is. So why does Rome deserve the epithet of "Holy City" any less than Mecca? What qualifies a city as "holy"?

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The Vatican is. Therefore the comparing of Mecca to the Vatican is a perfect comparison.

Mecca has a population of at least half a million people. The vatican has less than 700 inhabitants. Mecca is therefore a "city" in the sense that New York is - unlike the vatican.

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Ground Zero to us is just a place where once the twin towers existed.

Mecca is "just a place" to Non-Muslim Americans. Why should the Muslims' subjective view of Mecca as more than "just a place" have any bearing on the matter of whether non-Muslims should morally have a right to build their places of worship there? Non-Muslims aren't even allowed to VISIT the place. Do you think the fact that this prohibition stems from Muslims' half-baked RELIGIOUS beliefs makes it "fair enough"? Do you? I'd like an answer to this question.

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Most New Yorkers don't even call it ground zero. Its some nonsense wish washy name given by the media. So keep religion out of the ground zero conversation.

How can religion be "kept out" of the discussion when members of the religion responsible for the 9-11 atrocity want to add insult to injury by placing a triumphalist edifice in the vicinity?

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Gotta love these right wing imbeciles.

How do you define "right wing" exactly?

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Reply #278 - August 04, 2010, 05:12 AM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 03, 2010, 04:18 PM
This is what I don't get you say muslim sources are biased when it shows the 'good' side of the Prophet (pbuh) and muslims but then you quote the very same things to show the 'bad' side. WTF?! Make your mind up.

Muslims believe that things the "prophet" did or said that the rest of us see as "bad" are "good" for no other reason than he did or said them. So do you accept or reject the authenticity of the accounts of the "prophet's" maltreatment of Arabia's Jews XxThaminaxX? I didn't realise you yourself were a Muslim BTW.

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Reply #279 - August 04, 2010, 06:28 AM

Quote from: _truth_ on August 03, 2010, 06:26 PM
No you understood me wrong. I didnt say open. I meant the construction of it will start next year

That's not what the news say.
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Reply #280 - August 04, 2010, 07:43 AM

Rome is not a 'holy city' to Christians (Catholics that is). The Vatican is! Protestants, Orthodox and other non-Catholics dont give a hoot about the Pope or the Vatican.

Quote from: DH on August 04, 2010, 05:06 AM

How can religion be "kept out" of the discussion when members of the religion responsible for the 9-11 atrocity want to add insult to injury by placing a triumphalist edifice in the vicinity?

This little comment exchange is for you:

http://i.imgur.com/7Ff0k.png

Read, understand, read again, understand and stop.

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Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
Reply #281 - August 05, 2010, 05:07 AM

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How can religion be "kept out" of the discussion when members of the religion responsible for the 9-11 atrocity want to add insult to injury by placing a triumphalist edifice in the vicinity?

This little comment exchange is for you:

http://i.imgur.com/7Ff0k.png

Read, understand, read again, understand and stop.

Is that your ad hominem attack on the previous poster in place of convincing counter arguments? So what do you suggest he "do about it". Take direct action to obstruct the construction of the mosque? And if he does this will you rush to take counter direct action against him? Will you?As for the comment at your above linked site:

all the while you probably spend an inordinate amount of time planted on an overstuffed piece of furniture

Considering the number of posts you have made here compared to myself, seems like a case of psychological projection to me. Tell you what, why don't you get YOUR fat backside out of YOUR comfy chair, take yourself to Egypt and teach those who are making the native pre-Islamic coptic Christians' lives hell the merits of the "reformed" Islam you and others like you are constantly plugging from the safety of the western countries that gave you the freedom to leave Islam without having your head removed from your neck. Furthermore wear a t-shirt saying "I left Islam". If you get back alive, I might start to seriously consider that most Muslims around the world are as chilled out as many here would have us believe. Are your own still-Muslim family members aware of your apostasy BTW atheist PK?

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Reply #282 - August 05, 2010, 05:26 AM

You know, I HAVE noticed a lot of USA bashing and some
serious criticism from "across the pond" and beyond. sometimes I wonder
if some folks spend more time scrutinizing US policy than anything
else, only to nit pick it, scrutinize it, and then bash it some more.
If an American has anything to say about it, we get bashed too.
This is not just in this thread, but seriously, folks. Its getting really
old. And name calling when all else fails, like tea bagger, right wing
extremist "assholes" yadda yadda... It IS a free country, and some
folks feel that way. I don't, but its their constitutional right to feel
that way. AND THEY ARE AMERICANS, not British, or German, or
Kuwaiti, or Pakistani.

Some areas of US policy you have no CLUE about, and yet because
you believe in equal rights this, or equal rights that, ANY opposition
is bashed. BUT WHEN AMERICANS get bashed on here, we are told
to calm our asses down, get ignored, and rules are sidelined or
"forgiven".

I have one question for this forum. WHY do you spend SO MUCH TIME
bashing and hating on us?

I'm not defending anyone. I am merely making observations. Its okay if
SOME people go ballistic, but should an American go ballistic it seems to
be a different story.

I sincerely thought this was an EX MUSLIM site. But sometimes, I feel
like theres more of an agenda than that. People "claim" oh, I don't
hate the USA, but talk shit for weeks on end about it, not just once
or twice.

Entertain the AMERICAN HATING xenophobes, kick the americans who
retaliate to the curb, and voila.

Feel free to show me I am wrong.

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Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
Reply #283 - August 05, 2010, 05:28 AM

Sweet Jesus just demand that the ex Muslim gay and trans rendered meetup happen in the swimming pool. When they resist call them homophobic and plaster fliers everywhere. Ez game.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
Reply #284 - August 05, 2010, 05:32 AM

The problem is not America bashing. The problem is nationalist hysteria like you always spout. Just because you're American doesn't give you a free pass to not be criticized for your position on such and such topic. There are other Americans here too you know, and they don't whine about America bashing. You're using this tactic to cover up some rather indefensible positions you've held on the topic. And just because you're American doesn't mean you know more about American constitutional law - as Q-man and Iraqi Atheist has shown time and time again when debating with you.

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Reply #285 - August 05, 2010, 05:40 AM

Im not using any tactic... and just asked to be proved wrong. Lets take some excerpts from
the shout box, shall we? You wanted to do some 9/11 jokes. I said I didnt think they were funny
because my best friend's son was killed in 9/11. Here is QUOTED what you replied.
(start with the text at the bottom and work your way up)

Iblis
Today at 07:11 PM
A: Who gives a fuk?
Iblis
Today at 07:11 PM
Q: How many Americans died in 9/11?
Jinn and Tonic
Today at 07:10 PM
even RASHEED cracked on your ass about that HAHAHAHA
Iblis
Today at 07:10 PM
OK OK here a good one J&T im sure you'll love it...
Iblis
Today at 07:09 PM
Who cares about your best friends son? I don't. Gimme a good 9/11 joke J&T. C'mon loosen up a bit.

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Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
Reply #286 - August 05, 2010, 05:43 AM
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Reply #287 - August 05, 2010, 05:49 AM

Well what does that prove? That I was pissed and wanted to get under your skin? How does tasteless 9/11 jokes have any bearing here anyways? Does it make me anti-american and prove some underlying america bashing? If so, do I really make 9/11 jokes that often in order for that to be true?

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Re: Ground Zero Mosque being Called "Cordoba House"
Reply #288 - August 05, 2010, 03:05 PM

Nobody has explained why another mosque is necessary in a city that already has hundreds.

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Reply #289 - August 05, 2010, 03:10 PM

No one ever claimed it was needed.

The simple matter is, if they want to do it, they are legally permitted to.

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Reply #290 - August 05, 2010, 03:25 PM

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No one ever claimed it was needed.

The simple matter is, if they want to do it, they are legally permitted to.

It is a bit odd spending 100million bucks on a building for which there is no pressing need don't you think?

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Reply #291 - August 05, 2010, 03:35 PM

Why is that our business?

It's their money.

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Reply #292 - August 05, 2010, 03:36 PM

Well if the mosque is not being built to meet a pressing need for prayer space it must have another purpose don't you think? Where's this 100 million coming from?

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Reply #293 - August 05, 2010, 03:59 PM

Quote from: DH on August 05, 2010, 03:36 PM
Well if the mosque is not being built to meet a pressing need for prayer space it must have another purpose don't you think?

What purpose is that? How can you be so sure?

A burden of proof is on you if you make any suggestions.

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Where's this 100 million coming from?

I've been told it comes from Muslim fundraising campaigns and foreign contributions.

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Reply #294 - August 05, 2010, 04:07 PM

THE ORGANIZATION BEHIND THIS PROJECT have clearly identified that there are certain key words and phrases that cause a large number of western "progressives" to lose their critical faculties. Scattered among a barrage of Management Speak and statements of (to say the least) questionable veracity we find such terms as:

interfaith
tolerance
cross-cultural
engagement
together
harmony
coexistence
brotherhood
discourse
social issues
celebrate differences
dialogue
outreach

It is hardly suprising that so many "progressives" have fallen over themselves to express support for this project and denounce its opponents.

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Reply #295 - August 05, 2010, 04:08 PM

Quote from: olweasel on August 05, 2010, 03:59 PM
What purpose is that? How can you be so sure?

A burden of proof is on you if you make any suggestions.

I've been told it comes from Muslim fundraising campaigns and foreign contributions.

Can you specify the proportion from each source?

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Reply #296 - August 05, 2010, 04:18 PM

Coming back to your statement above olweasel

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What purpose is that? How can you be so sure?

A burden of proof is on you if you make any suggestions.

I point you to the Cordoba Initiative website the links for which are posted above. The stated aim of this organization is to:

[bring back] the atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony and prosperity eight hundred years ago.

How do you think this mosque will help achieve that goal?

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Reply #297 - August 05, 2010, 04:46 PM

I don't think it will help their cause. But let them do it anyhow.

Building the mosque should still be allowed, since there's nothing illegal about it.

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Can you specify the proportion from each source?

No.

But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it must be funded by supporters of terrorism.

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Reply #298 - August 05, 2010, 04:55 PM

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I don't think it will help their cause.

You don't think "bringing back" the "atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect that [allegedly] prevailed when Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony and prosperity eight hundred years ago" is adequate cause for ANY reasonable person to support this project?

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But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it must be funded by supporters of terrorism.

Who mentioned "terrorism"? The Cordoba Project does, however, seem to be backed by supporters of Islamic law ie sharia:

Islamic Law carries with it an extensive body of instructions that guide Muslims’ everyday lives; so, for Muslims, religion belongs in the discourse on social issues. In the West, however, a value for individual liberties developed in response to the particular narrative of religious persecution in Western Europe. As a consequence, Western liberalism separates religion and government, guaranteeing freedom of religion but also creating a militant secularism and distrust of religious authority. Once we recognize the legitimacy of each side’s perspective, we can celebrate these differences rather than fear them.

Doesn't that concern you?

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Reply #299 - August 05, 2010, 07:08 PM

Quote from: DH on August 05, 2010, 05:07 AM
Is that your ad hominem attack on the previous poster in place of convincing counter arguments? So what do you suggest he "do about it". Take direct action to obstruct the construction of the mosque? And if he does this will you rush to take counter direct action against him? Will you?As for the comment at your above linked site:

all the while you probably spend an inordinate amount of time planted on an overstuffed piece of furniture

Considering the number of posts you have made here compared to myself, seems like a case of psychological projection to me. Tell you what, why don't you get YOUR fat backside out of YOUR comfy chair, take yourself to Egypt and teach those who are making the native pre-Islamic coptic Christians' lives hell the merits of the "reformed" Islam you and others like you are constantly plugging from the safety of the western countries that gave you the freedom to leave Islam without having your head removed from your neck. Furthermore wear a t-shirt saying "I left Islam". If you get back alive, I might start to seriously consider that most Muslims around the world are as chilled out as many here would have us believe. Are your own still-Muslim family members aware of your apostasy BTW atheist PK?

You want me to do something like that just to prove YOU right?

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