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  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #30 - August 01, 2010, 02:17 PM
    What do you guys think of women like this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3O5DolPd_4
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #31 - August 01, 2010, 02:18 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 01, 2010, 02:17 PM
    What do you guys think of women like this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3O5DolPd_4

      She needs an operation and Hormonal therapy..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #32 - August 01, 2010, 02:23 PM
    I think they should be married off to mullah omar  dance
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #33 - August 01, 2010, 02:24 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 01, 2010, 02:17 PM
    What do you guys think of women like this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3O5DolPd_4


    Deluded nuts!


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #34 - August 01, 2010, 02:26 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 01, 2010, 02:23 PM
    I think they should be married off to mullah omar  dance

    no..no..no.,   Thamina., You are NOT up to date., That fellow also needs an operation and hormonal therapy., off course A burqa on his head..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #35 - August 01, 2010, 02:32 PM
    Yes! a successful hormonal treatment would necessitate a burkha[a afghani one would be best].


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #36 - August 01, 2010, 02:35 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 01, 2010, 02:17 PM
    What do you guys think of women like this?

    I stopped watching it when she introduced the concept of "invading our land".
    Because it makes her hypocritical.

    I will illustrate why:

    If "their land" is being invaded, it implies that there is a part of planet Earth that is "their land" and another part that is "not their land".
    It also means that she is assuming that such "Muslim land" is somehow under her and every other Muslim's property and responsibility.

    But, then, we know that "their land" (using her own generalization by her own assumption) is not exactly tolerant about blatant display of other religious symbols and attires.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #37 - August 01, 2010, 02:52 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 01, 2010, 02:17 PM
    What do you guys think of women like this?




     I would just ignore them.
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #38 - August 01, 2010, 03:08 PM
    Laugh at them and pity them at the same time.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #39 - August 01, 2010, 03:33 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 01, 2010, 02:17 PM
    What do you guys think of women like this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3O5DolPd_4


    Ive seen it before but Ill watch it again. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #40 - August 01, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Ugh I hate the way she talks about muslim women wearing the niqab for their lord blah blah blah. NO! Alot of muslim women are fucking forced into wearing shitty clothes like that and just because you happen to come from a background where you had the choice or deluded yourself to think it's ok, and you are less than men so should obey them etc doesnt mean eveyone did and just because you, one little missy, with no authoraty decide it is the word of allah and probably don't give a shit about those being force to wear it, doesn't mean the women who are suffering because of your shitty islam agree.

    What 'Plan'? That is the talk of a person of 'us verses them' mentaility, there is no 'plan' to kill islam, it's just people, each individual, have become sick of islam this and islam that, what authority does islam think it has in a country where even the church has been over decades been pushed away by the people! not by the priminister and their 'plan'. People who don't want religion shuved down their throats and into their faces.

    She was trying to link porn, rape etc to westernism, a pathetic attempt as you could see.

    Victory? Just go back to the 'islamic' lands if you're so against the laws here, why should a secular nation bow down to islam?
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #41 - August 01, 2010, 04:02 PM
    Quote from: stardust on August 01, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Ugh I hate the way she talks about muslim women wearing the niqab for their lord blah blah blah. NO! Alot of muslim women are fucking forced into wearing shitty clothes like that and just because you happen to come from a background where you had the choice or deluded yourself to think it's ok,....

    That is Not true Angry Star..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMFDYELVPqw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP62BoWQcCs

    What all you can say is these women are BRAIN washed.. and have no idea of how to decide what is good and  what is bad to them..

    watch all of them
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pMtUB2CR7g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNzVcX_MW6w

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-fJj8akEc
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #42 - August 01, 2010, 04:03 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 01, 2010, 02:17 PM
    What do you guys think of women like this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3O5DolPd_4


    Well there are several different aspects to think of about this clip

    1.  How do I feel about the speaker as a person?  She is probably well educated, she is well spoken and seems to have good intent.  She probably is a decent person.  

    2.  What do I feel about the arguments she is making?  Well there are almost word for word from the memeplex of islamic "griefs" and "complaints" about European culture, and I don't know if she has had a thoughtful discussion with anyone who challenges her concepts on women's oppression, sexuality, ect.  From the strict rereading of the exact same memes I would assume that she is simply parroting her remarks and haven't actually thought them out.  In this sense I see that inspite of being personable and well spoken, she hasn't applied any real kind of reasoning to her topics.  Give me someone who has thought out her position instead of parroting.  

    3.  What do I think of the presentation as a whole?  It is more of the same "Everyone is against Islam" meme  that tries to ensnare it's adherence.  People can't reject a piece of religious dogma based on pragmatism or logical reasoning they can only be evil sinful people hell bent on destroying Islam.   This gets spun into every aspect of life until Muslims see themselves as being completely oppressed in every aspect of life and that is where the Islamic victim/aggressor attitude comes in.  
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #43 - August 01, 2010, 04:10 PM
    They say it's oppression to women in the west (who actually choose to reveal how much they want) that they become almost naked, no it isn't oppression because it's NATURAL to be naked, yes, shocking, but humans invented clothes....

    There are tribes who are naked, maybe a cloth covering their private parts but that's it, men, women and children, the reason things become sexualised is due to covering for generations and all of a sudden even a little bit of showing like arms or legs are seen as sexual.

    These days a girl with a skirt on, showing he legs from knees down, and arms showing isn't immodest. A western guy wouldn't start thinking sexual thoughts and become aroused because of that, that is a fairly normal wear for women here and trousers, the whole western women are practically naked etc are exagerations.

    Modesty is also about how you conduct yourself, I've known hijabi's who are more immodest than a non-muslim woman.

    This whole 'war against the west' is about ego I think, it's about islamic power, they feel the west is powerful and they don't like it. Muslims want to feel big.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #44 - August 01, 2010, 04:13 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 01, 2010, 04:02 PM
    That is Not true Angry Star..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMFDYELVPqw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP62BoWQcCs

    What all you can say is these women are BRAIN washed.. and have no idea of how to decide what is good and  what is bad to them..

    watch all of them
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pMtUB2CR7g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNzVcX_MW6w

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-fJj8akEc



    I don't understand the language on those videos, so they're no use to me.

    What are you on about? some women are forced to wear it, and especially some girls.

    I know some are brainwashed, and the ones on that video seem brainwashed...you confuse me, I think i might put you on ignore.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #45 - August 01, 2010, 04:16 PM
    Quote from: stardust on August 01, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Ugh I hate the way she talks about muslim women wearing the niqab for their lord blah blah blah. NO! Alot of muslim women are fucking forced into wearing shitty clothes like that and just because you happen to come from a background where you had the choice or deluded yourself to think it's ok, and you are less than men so should obey them etc doesnt mean eveyone did and just because you, one little missy, with no authoraty decide it is the word of allah and probably don't give a shit about those being force to wear it, doesn't mean the women who are suffering because of your shitty islam agree.

    What 'Plan'? That is the talk of a person of 'us verses them' mentaility, there is no 'plan' to kill islam, it's just people, each individual, have become sick of islam this and islam that, what authority does islam think it has in a country where even the church has been over decades been pushed away by the people! not by the priminister and their 'plan'. People who don't want religion shuved down their throats and into their faces.

    She was trying to link porn, rape etc to westernism, a pathetic attempt as you could see.

    Victory? Just go back to the 'islamic' lands if you're so against the laws here, why should a secular nation bow down to islam?


    Most Islamic critiques come from other more intellectually rigorous lines of reasoning.  For instance the idea of pornography as being "oppressive" comes from some  hard core feminist's line of reasoning who see the hyper sexual nature of society as oppressing a woman's ability to be perceived as a person and not a sexual object.  Religious policy makers ( the ones who comes up with these arguments) usually just lift the arguments and apply it as Islam's complaints about society.  The problem is that they haven't thought out the line of reasoning completely so we get arguments that sound retarded like Porn is Oppression! Let's force all women to except for their palms! I see a lot of Islamic apologists use Noam Chomsky for their complaints about "Western imperialism" but then turn around and advocate the exact same thing that Noam Chomsky was complaining about.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #46 - August 01, 2010, 04:22 PM
    Quote from: stardust on August 01, 2010, 04:10 PM
    They say it's oppression to women in the west (who actually choose to reveal how much they want) that they become almost naked, no it isn't oppression because it's NATURAL to be naked, yes, shocking, but humans invented clothes....

    There are tribes who are naked, maybe a cloth covering their private parts but that's it, men, women and children, the reason things become sexualised is due to covering for generations and all of a sudden even a little bit of showing like arms or legs are seen as sexual.

    These days a girl with a skirt on, showing he legs from knees down, and arms showing isn't immodest. A western guy wouldn't start thinking sexual thoughts and become aroused because of that, that is a fairly normal wear for women here and trousers, the whole western women are practically naked etc are exagerations.

    Modesty is also about how you conduct yourself, I've known hijabi's who are more immodest than a non-muslim woman.

    This whole 'war against the west' is about ego I think, it's about islamic power, they feel the west is powerful and they don't like it. Muslims want to feel big.


    Well the problem is the definition of "oppressive".  On the Islamic side of things oppressive means anything but Sharia law, so we are all being oppressed. To the normal person oppressed means being forced to do or not to do something against one's will.  In other words if it is voluntary is usually isn't oppressive.  Porn isn't oppressive because those women choose to do it.  They could work at McDonalds, or be a clerk but the choose to do porn of their own will.  Same thing with billboards, tv ads etc.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #47 - August 01, 2010, 04:23 PM
    As soon as I saw a western convert, in a western country in a burqua I'd just totally ignore them - I wouldn't even be interested in listening to what they have to say. IMo they're all attention-seekers.
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #48 - August 01, 2010, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: stardust on August 01, 2010, 04:13 PM
    I don't understand the language on those videos, so they're no use to me.

    Oh I see., well Islam speaks such a language, even those who are NOT familiar with the language can understand a bit. Unless you are completely WESTERN Muslim with some specific European language  The Start..
    Quote
    What are you on about? some women are forced to wear it, and especially some girls.

    I didn't say anything., What all I  said  as response to these words of your's    
    Quote
    NO! Alot of muslim women are fucking forced into wearing shitty clothes like that

     is
    Quote
    That is Not true Angry Star..    What all you can say is these women are BRAIN washed.. and have no idea of how to decide what is good and  what is bad to them..

    Quote
    I know some are brainwashed, and the ones on that video seem brainwashed...

    Yes you are right

    Quote
    you confuse me, I think i might put you on ignore.

    Confusing people is my life . That is fun ..is it not ..lol.,

    Really You are going to ignore me??  why?  what does it do any way??



      
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #49 - August 01, 2010, 04:32 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 01, 2010, 04:02 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMFDYELVPqw




    If my pillow were ever anthropomorphized, this is what it would look like.   
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #50 - August 01, 2010, 04:35 PM
    Yeezevee, why does it seem like you yell and shout all the time? What, with capitalizing every word, it makes you sound angry and pissed off.
    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #51 - August 01, 2010, 04:37 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on August 01, 2010, 04:16 PM
    Most Islamic critiques come from other more intellectually rigorous lines of reasoning.  For instance the idea of pornography as being "oppressive" comes from some  hard core feminist's line of reasoning who see the hyper sexual nature of society as oppressing a woman's ability to be perceived as a person and not a sexual object.  Religious policy makers ( the ones who comes up with these arguments) usually just lift the arguments and apply it as Islam's complaints about society.  The problem is that they haven't thought out the line of reasoning completely so we get arguments that sound retarded like Porn is Oppression! Let's force all women to except for their palms! I see a lot of Islamic apologists use Noam Chomsky for their complaints about "Western imperialism" but then turn around and advocate the exact same thing that Noam Chomsky was complaining about.


    I've not heard of Noam Chomsky, but mm I know of the feminist's idea on porn and how it makes women like sex objects etc, but again certain women choose to be seen sexually, and it's their choice. I think feminists are quite extreme themselves.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #52 - August 01, 2010, 04:38 PM
     
    Quote from: Cool Canadian on August 01, 2010, 04:35 PM
    Yeezevee, why does it seem like you yell and shout all the time? What, with capitalizing every word, it makes you sound angry and pissed off.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfJKQThcvvk

    True., capitalizing every word is bad.. .. NO CAPITALS from now onwards  cool can
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #53 - August 01, 2010, 04:56 PM
    Is it just me or does Yeezeeve make more sense lately?  Huh?
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #54 - August 01, 2010, 04:57 PM

    Either that or you're becoming as crazy as him, Eph  Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #55 - August 01, 2010, 05:01 PM
    I resent that. Angry

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #56 - August 01, 2010, 05:04 PM
    Quote from: stardust on August 01, 2010, 04:37 PM
    I've not heard of Noam Chomsky, but mm I know of the feminist's idea on porn and how it makes women like sex objects etc, but again certain women choose to be seen sexually, and it's their choice. I think feminists are quite extreme themselves.


    It is more of the extreme feminist side, one opinion I heard was that dresses were oppressive too because they served to differenciate between men and women without reason  dance.  Like you said there are women who enjoy being a sexual object once in a while and even women who enjoy sex all the time and wouldn't mind killing two birds with one stone and get paid while doing it.  That's why I was talking about choice too, an option that the Islamic position of " Porn is oppressive" conveniently forget to mention.  the "porn and sexualized women = oppression" meme is really shallow when it comes  from a religious standpoint.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #57 - August 01, 2010, 05:44 PM
    It's about having the liberty to express ones sexuality, to repress it if one wants, and essentially to be able to have the freedom to choose whatever it is one wants to do and not be opressed from doing that.
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #58 - August 01, 2010, 05:45 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 01, 2010, 04:02 PM
    That is Not true Angry Star..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMFDYELVPqw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP62BoWQcCs

    What all you can say is these women are BRAIN washed.. and have no idea of how to decide what is good and  what is bad to them..

    watch all of them
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pMtUB2CR7g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNzVcX_MW6w

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-fJj8akEc



    I love it when yeezevee just posts a string of endless youtube videos that no one understands. Cheesy
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Did Islam liberate women!
     Reply #59 - August 01, 2010, 05:54 PM
    Quote from: Maya on August 01, 2010, 04:23 PM
    As soon as I saw a western convert, in a western country in a burqua I'd just totally ignore them - I wouldn't even be interested in listening to what they have to say. IMo they're all attention-seekers.

     Afro
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