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Reply #30 - August 03, 2010, 02:53 AM

Religious enough to pray that I will one day see the light.

Not religious enough to ask me for a divorce.

I dont rub it in her face, I even go to jumuah and eid to hide my apostacy from her family.

I dont need to make her life harder than it needs to be.

I do love her a lot.
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Reply #31 - August 03, 2010, 03:12 AM

Welcome, algebra and

So, have you and your wife ever talked about having children? If so, will you raise them Muslim?

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Reply #32 - August 03, 2010, 03:14 AM

Good luck.
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Reply #33 - August 03, 2010, 03:32 AM

We have a son.

We are bringing him up muslim.

I'm not militant about islam.

Chances are he will grow up in the secular west and apostacize himself in his teens.

I would prevent him from getting ultra-religious though.

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Reply #34 - August 03, 2010, 03:33 AM

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Naa, he is being stupid, as usual.

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Reply #35 - August 03, 2010, 03:38 AM

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Reply #36 - August 03, 2010, 04:38 AM

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #37 - August 03, 2010, 07:32 AM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 02:17 AM
Theist, not deist.

I just wanted to check because not everyone is aware of this alternative option. What makes you think that creator god spends time intervening in human affairs? And in what way do you think these interventions take place (healing the sick etc?)

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Reply #38 - August 03, 2010, 09:11 AM

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #39 - August 03, 2010, 09:38 AM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 02:53 AM
Religious enough to pray that I will one day see the light.

Not religious enough to ask me for a divorce.

I dont rub it in her face, I even go to jumuah and eid to hide my apostacy from her family.

I dont need to make her life harder than it needs to be.

I do love her a lot.

which south asian country is your wife from bro?

anyway welcome to the forums
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Reply #40 - August 03, 2010, 09:51 AM

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #41 - August 03, 2010, 09:56 AM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 03:32 AM
We have a son.

We are bringing him up muslim.

I find this disturbing as I married a muslim & have 2 boys - why cant you bring him up according to your beliefs. Dont allow yourself to be bullied like this, particularly when raising your child in a belief you now see as false. I have 2 boys and could never allow this to happen.
Quote from: IsLame on August 03, 2010, 09:51 AM

I'm not militant about islam.

Chances are he will grow up in the secular west and apostacize himself in his teens.

I would prevent him from getting ultra-religious though.

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I am sure you will, but thats not the point. You are raising him up with an Islamic identity, one that does not historically or even presently apply to you.

Your wife must understand that, and if she doesnt she should. As a compromise why cant you do what you believe to be true, and she raises him in a fashion that she believes to be true. That way he gets to make an honest choice, and will also perhaps see it as one too.

I know somebody who is now at uni and was brought up in a similar fashion, and they now resent that fact that they wasted so much time & guilt over the religion because there father never told them the truth about his beliefs until recently. Will you tell you child you dont believe or are you going to pretend you are a muslim till his reaches adulthood?

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Reply #42 - August 03, 2010, 10:00 AM

Children learn a lot in their youth which they accept as true for the rest of their lives. It's only IF they question their long-term beliefs that they realise what is good/bad. What you can guarantee though is that they will never be able to think of every perception they hold in order to reassess it. As a consequence you are putting shit into his head, and even if he apostatises he will NEVER get rid of ALL of it.

Quite frankly, it's child abuse. Sorry to be harsh, but you are mentally harming your child. He deserves better than that, he trusts you not to deceive him.

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Reply #43 - August 03, 2010, 10:05 AM

I agree with TheRationalizer.
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Reply #44 - August 03, 2010, 10:54 AM

I also agree with the Rationalizer. I was raised Catholic to appease my grandmother, though both my parents didn't agree with it. I was 12 when I left because I questioned it and didn't like it.

I dunno what led me to Islam and why I fell for it. But, in the four months I was apart of it, I could see some damage. Fortunately, it won't be too hard to erase what I read... I hope.

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Reply #45 - August 03, 2010, 12:31 PM

Quote from: pierced_beauty on August 03, 2010, 10:54 AM
.... I was 12 when I left because I questioned it and didn't like it.

huh! you were 12?., Ha you are too smart pierced_beauty
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I dunno what led me to Islam and why I fell for it. But, in the four months I was apart of it,

no.no., No, you can not escape answering that., that is vital here.,

So what really led you to Islam? and how old were you??

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Reply #46 - August 03, 2010, 01:25 PM

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Reply #47 - August 03, 2010, 01:27 PM

Quote from: IsLame on August 03, 2010, 09:56 AM
Will you tell you child you dont believe or are you going to pretend you are a muslim till his reaches adulthood?

I think I would tell him I dont believe at some point. I dont want him to grow up thinking that islam is the only valid and true path and all else are false or invalid.
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Reply #48 - August 03, 2010, 01:31 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on August 03, 2010, 12:31 PM
So what really led you to Islam? and how old were you??

Islam has great appeal in that it presents God in a simple and powerful way.
A completely transcendent deity.

I was 26 when I first accepted islam.

It was only after reading the Quran and ahadith that I realized that much of the Quran is simply the words of a leader, a good leader, who was intent on holding onto power.
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Reply #49 - August 03, 2010, 01:33 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on August 03, 2010, 10:00 AM
As a consequence you are putting shit into his head, and even if he apostatises he will NEVER get rid of ALL of it.

My wife is none the worse for the "shit" in her head. If anything in many ways it makes her a very good person.

I believe that presenting myself as a non-muslim will provide him with a balanced opinion on islam.
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Reply #50 - August 03, 2010, 01:37 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on August 03, 2010, 07:32 AM
What makes you think that creator god spends time intervening in human affairs?

When I said god, I am not sure it is this creator deity of the abrahamic tradition. I am agnostic with respect to that definition.

I believe however that there are entities on a different level that interact with us on this level, kind of like the buddhist idea of gods.

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And in what way do you think these interventions take place (healing the sick etc?)

Yes, but also in ways to harm people too. I dont believe they are all good entities out there.
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Reply #51 - August 03, 2010, 02:15 PM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 01:33 PM
My wife is none the worse for the "shit" in her head. If anything in many ways it makes her a very good person.

I believe that presenting myself as a non-muslim will provide him with a balanced opinion on islam.

A child must learn critical thinking from a very young age. Indoctrinating him with religion isn't gonna help with that.
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Reply #52 - August 03, 2010, 02:22 PM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 02:53 AM
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Not religious enough to ask me for a divorce.

I dont rub it in her face, I even go to jumuah and eid to hide my apostacy from her family.

I dont need to make her life harder than it needs to be.

I do love her a lot.

You are the BEST Jew., I guess you drank good Juice., thank to your parents., I wish every Jew is like you algebra..

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #53 - August 03, 2010, 02:22 PM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 01:27 PM
I think I would tell him I dont believe at some point. I dont want him to grow up thinking that islam is the only valid and true path and all else are false or invalid.

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Islam has great appeal in that it presents God in a simple and powerful way.
A completely transcendent deity.

I was 26 when I first accepted islam.

It was only after reading the Quran and ahadith that I realized that much of the Quran is simply the words of a leader, a good leader, who was intent on holding onto power.

Oh! how we all love simplifications! A presentation is at the mercy of the skill and in this case the cunningness of the presenter. Simplifications can obfuscate the truth by their gross approximations. BTW when you talk of a 'transcendent' deity, how can the connection between you and him be simple and direct?[probably you were fed this nonsense when you converted!]. When you are talking to another human being right here on this planet, you are using your normal senses and are in direct touch with him/her. Surely this is a lot simpler than being in touch with a 'transcendent' deity? Schizos are in direct communication with voices which normal people don't hear, so though they are special in a way[like 'devout' Muslims],their communication is unreal[though to them it's as real as sunlight!] and in the long run causes great damage to their psyche.

If good=skill,then yes he was a good leader,but by the same token a Mafia Don is a good leader too!. But if 'good' is what normal people understand it to be then he was an oppressive leader to put it mildly.

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Reply #54 - August 03, 2010, 02:49 PM

I think "good" as in the president is a "good" leader.

Looking out for the best (as he defines them) interests of the nation as a whole, in particular his supporters interests.

A person that puts the nation's well being before his own.

That may involve eliminating, by any means, opponents from within and without the nation.

As you said, muslims believe they are in direct contact with this deity. That he is listening to them.

I'm not sure this is such a bad thing, it certainly does not make them schizos.
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Reply #55 - August 03, 2010, 06:57 PM

How many of you guys are actually ex-muslims?
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Reply #56 - August 03, 2010, 07:14 PM

Welcome Algebra ... Enjoy the forum

I had caught wind about the difference between Islam and WESTERN Islam,
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Reply #57 - August 03, 2010, 08:56 PM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 06:57 PM
How many of you guys are actually ex-muslims?

It says whether you are or not just above a members avatar - here is the current list also http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9185.0

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Reply #58 - August 04, 2010, 06:35 PM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 01:31 PM
Islam has great appeal in that it presents God in a simple and powerful way.
A completely transcendent deity.

True.

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Reply #59 - August 04, 2010, 07:13 PM

Quote from: IsLame on August 03, 2010, 08:56 PM
It says whether you are or not just above a members avatar - here is the current list also http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9185.0

How do I get my member status to ex-Muslim?

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