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  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #30 - August 03, 2010, 12:21 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on August 03, 2010, 12:00 PM
    That's a great post TheRationalizer.  Afro

    I would add one more:
    Cult tactic 6: Punish any apostates through ostracism (which I'm currently facing) to deter existing Muslims from even thinking of leaving the faith.  In Muslim countries, apostates face tougher punishments, of course.


    I covered that in tactic 5.  I think ostrasisation is more to protect the religion than to punish the individual, religion doesn't care about the individual.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #31 - August 03, 2010, 12:27 PM
    @TheRationalizer:
    I was emphasising on the *deterrence* aspect of it (for existing cult members).  Smiley  You see, I've got lots of siblings who are still religious Muslims, and ostracising me is partly to deter them from leaving the faith.



    Quote from: pierced_beauty on August 03, 2010, 12:13 PM
    I hope you're safe.

    @peirced_beauty:
    I'm safe, thanks. Smiley  I live in Britain.  I came out to my parents over 12 months ago and they haven't harmed me in any way.  The fact that they are still refusing to give me my Kenyan birth certificate bugs me a little, but I'm willing -- and perfectly capable -- of living my own life without their support.  Smiley  I kinda enjoy it really.  I can be a little crazy and adventurous.  Tongue
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #32 - August 03, 2010, 05:30 PM
    That's good. =] My dad's a deputy sheriff and non-Muslim, so I feel pretty safe as well. I'm so glad we live in the West.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #33 - August 03, 2010, 06:00 PM
    In this thread: I learn there is a place called King of Prussia!

    How fucking awesome is that?
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #34 - August 03, 2010, 06:06 PM
    Haha. King of Prussia has one of the largest malls in America too. A few battles of the Revolutionary War were fought here.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #35 - August 03, 2010, 06:20 PM
    Hi Jessica.. ex american muslimah here, too.  Welcome to CEMB
    Smiley
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #36 - August 03, 2010, 06:23 PM
    Thanks Jinn and Tonic.  Smiley Where in America do you reside?
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #37 - August 03, 2010, 06:31 PM
    I am out west in cowboy country, suffice it to say being a hijabi didnt go over too well
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #38 - August 03, 2010, 07:06 PM
    Haha, I guess not.  Cheesy It didn't really go over well here, either. I remember the one time I came home with it on and my mother started crying. She hated me wearing it.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #39 - August 03, 2010, 07:08 PM
    Hi and welcome to the forum pierced_beauty.  Smiley

    @ateapotist - can't you just apply yourself to Registration of Births, Deaths, Marriages etc. for a copy of your birth certificate?  Huh?
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #40 - August 03, 2010, 07:23 PM
    Quote from: Maya on August 03, 2010, 07:08 PM
    @ateapotist - can't you just apply yourself to Registration of Births, Deaths, Marriages etc. for a copy of your birth certificate?  Huh?

    Possibly.  I have been looking into that recently,  after giving up trying to persuade my dad to return it to me.  In fact, I am giving up trying to maintain good ties with my parents.  I have given them enough time to accept my apostasy and it looks like it ain't gonna happen.  Oh well, fuck them.

    Sorry for hijacking pierced_beauty's thread.  lipsrsealed
    Carry on everyone.  whistling2
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #41 - August 03, 2010, 07:24 PM
     signwelcome
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #42 - August 03, 2010, 07:33 PM
    Quote from: pierced_beauty on August 03, 2010, 07:06 PM
    Haha, I guess not.  Cheesy It didn't really go over well here, either. I remember the one time I came home with it on and my mother started crying. She hated me wearing it.


    Sure is nice to know I wasn't the only western woman that went thru that LOL.
    Fortunately, my family knew Ive been on a "spiritual quest" my entire life, so
    it didn't surprise them at all.  however, they WERE happy when I left, and resumed
    "quasi" normal again.   Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #43 - August 03, 2010, 07:45 PM
    Haha, indeed. My dad, the deputy here, was more worried I was going to turn into another Jihad Jane and have FBI agents show up here... which would soil his name. My aunts told my mom it was just a phase. I argued about that for a month. Thank goodness it was a phase.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #44 - August 03, 2010, 07:49 PM
    right on, lil sister... LOL.  i stuck it out for about 1 1/2 yrs and just couldn't
    do it any more.  the more questions I had to my Dawagandists, the less they
    wanted to answer.  All I got after a while was
     "Allah knows best" and "its a test" shit.  Shocked
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #45 - August 03, 2010, 08:00 PM
    Are you a Christian again, or did you become non-religious like the rest of us?

    Quote from: pierced_beauty on August 03, 2010, 07:45 PM
    Haha, indeed. My dad, the deputy here, was more worried I was going to turn into another Jihad Jane and have FBI agents show up here... which would soil his name. My aunts told my mom it was just a phase. I argued about that for a month. Thank goodness it was a phase.

    I think a lot of Westerners are attracted to Islam because they feel alienated from their own culture.

    Was this true for you?
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #46 - August 03, 2010, 08:09 PM
    Welcome pierced_beauty!

     signwelcome
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #47 - August 03, 2010, 09:49 PM
    Quote from: olweasel on August 03, 2010, 08:00 PM

    I think a lot of Westerners are attracted to Islam because they feel alienated from their own culture.




    Well I personally don't think it's got anything to do with religion in a lot of cases where white western women convert. More like overflated egos wanting some attention and converting to Islam is quite a provocative thing to do. An unfortunate by-product of the me-me-me society we now live in.  Roll Eyes

    I'm sure there are also those who genuinely do feel alienated and want to find a God, as are those who may convert through marriage but I think they're pretty few and far between.

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #48 - August 03, 2010, 10:02 PM
    Quote from: olweasel on August 03, 2010, 08:00 PM
    Are you a Christian again, or did you become non-religious like the rest of us?


    I'm non-religious. I do believe there is a god and I'm also starting to think that maybe there's a goddess too. Eh, I rather remain unaffiliated/ I was raised Catholic and didn't really like it. Islam actually felt worse than Catholicism.

    Quote
    I think a lot of Westerners are attracted to Islam because they feel alienated from their own culture.

    Was this true for you?

    Oh, yeah. And the first time I went to the mosque I felt very welcomed. I have had a lot of personal issues in the past regarding people and depression issues (taking meds now), so that welcoming feeling felt good. However, the religion itself made me more depressed.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #49 - August 03, 2010, 10:02 PM
    signwelcome  I am sure you will fit right in here, enjoy your stay!
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  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #50 - August 03, 2010, 10:03 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on August 03, 2010, 07:49 PM
    right on, lil sister... LOL.  i stuck it out for about 1 1/2 yrs and just couldn't
    do it any more.  the more questions I had to my Dawagandists, the less they
    wanted to answer.  All I got after a while was
     "Allah knows best" and "its a test" shit.  Shocked


    I got that too. I was thinking, "Well, I'm suffering here. I don't think this is a test." I'm so glad they didn't tell me to stop taking the meds I'm on... at least I didn't get to that point yet.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #51 - August 03, 2010, 10:05 PM
    I do IsLame. I love this group. I think I was tricked at the mosque. They knew I was coming and they changed services for me to feel more welcomed. Gah, why was I so blind?

    Also, by the by, I requested you on Facebook.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #52 - August 03, 2010, 10:09 PM
    Quote from: pierced_beauty on August 03, 2010, 10:03 PM
    I got that too. I was thinking, "Well, I'm suffering here. I don't think this is a test." I'm so glad they didn't tell me to stop taking the meds I'm on... at least I didn't get to that point yet.


    omg.. they DID get to that point with me! LOL trying to get me to stop taking
    my meds!   I just ignored them LOL
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #53 - August 03, 2010, 10:17 PM
    Wow! I don't think I told them I was on meds... thank goodness. But, I did tell the one girl as I told her I wanted to leave Islam that I am majorly depressive and am on some serious medication. Then after I handed in my resignation and that little sentiment; her and her husband promptly blocked me.  Smiley
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #54 - August 03, 2010, 10:21 PM
    Shocked  whoah!  im sure my "ummah", both online and at the masjid have figured
    i fell off the face of the earth (gone kaffir) too LOL
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #55 - August 03, 2010, 10:25 PM
     Cheesy

    I was probably considered a hopeless Muslim for a few days, now I'm kaffir status.

    Last week when I went to dinner with Mo and his wife (before I came out of the closet... I was so depressed eating with them... I really didn't want to be in it anymore), they were talking Arabic. I don't understand a word of Arabic (yet... I am taking classes in the fall; I always wanted to learn). I wonder if they were talking about how they could control her life since when I handed in my resignation to her mother, her mother said she had a lot of plans for me. That still scares the shit out of me.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #56 - August 03, 2010, 10:29 PM
    i didn't know you had to hand in a resignation.  I just split and never went back.
    and they never called me again LOL.  I crept into the one chat room a few times,
    as i had made some good friends, but we were already worlds apart by then, and i didn't
    have the heart to tell them, so i just never went back there.  And they were kinda curious
    why i wasn't going "alhamdullilah" or "mashallah" or "subhanallah" any more.  They
    prolly suspected it, i just left.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #57 - August 03, 2010, 10:33 PM
    See, I don't drive. They were picking me up... so I basically just came out and said it... I didn't want to be apart of their religion.
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 26, 2010, 03:19 PM
    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #58 - August 03, 2010, 10:42 PM
    Shocked  i'm guessing you didn't know about the kaffir part at that point, did you?
    or did you?  I have no doubt they had already bragged to everyone they knew
    how you converted.  wow

    EDIT:  I had no idea how serious leaving islam was until some time after
    I left. 
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi!
     Reply #59 - August 03, 2010, 11:02 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on August 03, 2010, 10:42 PM
    EDIT:  I had no idea how serious leaving islam was until some time after
    I left.

    That's probably because you're a Westerner.

    Like you said, they were shoving any bad things under the rug.

    And besides, in your case, they'd avoid the question of punishment with the "No True Scotsman".

    "She was never a real Muslim. The foolish Amriki. If she was, then she would have known it's the one true religion."
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
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