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  • Why do women convert to Islam
     OP - August 04, 2010, 05:13 AM

    Never could understand it. Now I can totally totally understand why a male would want to join Islam. Hell, watch a couple videos of Mujahideen proudly yelling Allahu-Akbar while waging holy war and you'll go "holy shit this religion is badass", but why would a woman be attracted to it? Loss of so much freedom, not to mention it's so demonized in the media. Is it just some psychological problem where they seek to be unique? Like the girls who are always interested in alt/estoteric things?
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #1 - August 04, 2010, 05:30 AM

    Cos wiminz r dum Smiley

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #2 - August 04, 2010, 06:17 AM

    Never could understand it. Now I can totally totally understand why a male would want to join Islam. Hell, watch a couple videos of Mujahideen proudly yelling Allahu-Akbar while waging holy war and you'll go "holy shit this religion is badass", but why would a woman be attracted to it? Loss of so much freedom, not to mention it's so demonized in the media. Is it just some psychological problem where they seek to be unique? Like the girls who are always interested in alt/estoteric things?


    I think most women converting to islam are through muslim boyfriends, and also women are known to be better at comprimising than men.

    Another possibility is finding spirituality and getting away from the modern world, the modern world is fast paced, lots of pressure to succeed, most women still have to do everything, raise the kids, keep the house in order, make money - societies expectations, whereas people are still more sympathetic towards a man just working hard at his career and not having time for the other things. Islam gives more peace, in that women are 'protected' by men they can be simply housewives with no guilt to it, and focus on raising kids etc, it's more peaceful compared to the high paced lives people have to live to be independent and well off these days.

    Plus because the flaws in chistianity has pretty much been exposed over and over, western people are looking for alternative forms of spirituality, which are still sugar coated. To have a sense of foundation, at the end of the day when you feel you have nobody and no support, an imaginary friend who's powerful and eternal and OK to believe in because other people believe in it, which gives it more of an illusion that it's real. To feel that security and comfort during troubling times and you are alone. In islam there is a sense of community which has been lost in the west, particularly in cities, sense of belonging and togetherness, a substitute family for those who are alone.

    Prehaps some women don't like the level of sexualization of women in this country and are rebelling against that. To be honest I do think there's a tendency of oversexualisation of people and from an age too young here in the west, but putting on a burkha because of that is extreme and unfortuneately it's the same message - saying women ARE sexual objects hence they must be hidden away.

    Plus, there's those who are simply easily persuaded by people who they are around, and wanting to fit in with the majority of people, such as in schools, and not feel like an outcast. There are areas where there are majority of muslim people living. Then there's the attention seeker, who wants to feel special when muslims begin focusing their attention on this 'kaffir' to save them and get goodie points.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #3 - August 04, 2010, 06:34 AM

    There's a romantic idea to islam, and women fall for those easier generally. That false idea of security and comfort for women. How the men will protect you and you won't get hurt, you want to be judged on your inner beauty and not the way you look, looks change, fade, looks are shallow. With societies huge emphasis on presentation and this stereotype that men only go after the beautiful girls, or will cheat on you etc for someone better, that men are after sex only, and sexual attractiveness - Which isn't true, I've known many decent men, some even feel pressure of falling into those roles just because of this false expectation.

    That's what some women want to get away from also, and by hidding their body away they believe they have control, they can make you look at them as a person, human being and not firstly as a female/woman/sex.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #4 - August 04, 2010, 08:34 AM

    Maybe this could be applied to Muslims as well:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianismo

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #5 - August 04, 2010, 08:37 AM

    Excellent posts there stardust - very well put and kudos to you.  Afro Afro Afro

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #6 - August 04, 2010, 10:40 AM

    Agreed, excellent post Stardust  Afro I think you've summed up very nicely & succinctly what has been mentioned over various other threads:

    Why women convert to Islam on Radio 4 now!

    Why do Western Women Convert?

    What do you think makes alot of women... in the West decide to convert( not revert) to Islam?

  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #7 - August 04, 2010, 11:46 AM

    Never could understand it. Now I can totally totally understand why a male would want to join Islam. Hell, watch a couple videos of Mujahideen proudly yelling Allahu-Akbar while waging holy war and you'll go "holy shit this religion is badass", but why would a woman be attracted to it? Loss of so much freedom, not to mention it's so demonized in the media. Is it just some psychological problem where they seek to be unique? Like the girls who are always interested in alt/estoteric things?


    You are on the right track! They are overgrown stubborn kids who expect neat ready made solutions to their self created problems.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #8 - August 04, 2010, 12:06 PM

    Some one starts a thread with a Question
    Quote
    Why do women convert to Islam?

    These woman wants a DADDY figure in their life., They are little kids with full of intelligence and with little maturity.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #9 - August 04, 2010, 12:07 PM

    Cos wiminz r dum Smiley

    There goes Iblis intelligence down the drain..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #10 - August 04, 2010, 12:12 PM

    I think most women converting to islam are through muslim boyfriends, and also women are known to be better at comprimising than men.

    Another possibility is finding spirituality and getting away from the modern world, the modern world is fast paced, lots of pressure to succeed, most women still have to do everything, raise the kids, keep the house in order, make money - societies expectations, whereas people are still more sympathetic towards a man just working hard at his career and not having time for the other things. Islam gives more peace, in that women are 'protected' by men they can be simply housewives with no guilt to it, and focus on raising kids etc, it's more peaceful compared to the high paced lives people have to live to be independent and well off these days.

    Plus because the flaws in chistianity has pretty much been exposed over and over, western people are looking for alternative forms of spirituality, which are still sugar coated. To have a sense of foundation, at the end of the day when you feel you have nobody and no support, an imaginary friend who's powerful and eternal and OK to believe in because other people believe in it, which gives it more of an illusion that it's real. To feel that security and comfort during troubling times and you are alone. In islam there is a sense of community which has been lost in the west, particularly in cities, sense of belonging and togetherness, a substitute family for those who are alone.

    Prehaps some women don't like the level of sexualization of women in this country and are rebelling against that. To be honest I do think there's a tendency of oversexualisation of people and from an age too young here in the west, but putting on a burkha because of that is extreme and unfortuneately it's the same message - saying women ARE sexual objects hence they must be hidden away.

    Plus, there's those who are simply easily persuaded by people who they are around, and wanting to fit in with the majority of people, such as in schools, and not feel like an outcast. There are areas where there are majority of muslim people living. Then there's the attention seeker, who wants to feel special when muslims begin focusing their attention on this 'kaffir' to save them and get goodie points.



    There's a romantic idea to islam, and women fall for those easier generally. That false idea of security and comfort for women. How the men will protect you and you won't get hurt, you want to be judged on your inner beauty and not the way you look, looks change, fade, looks are shallow. With societies huge emphasis on presentation and this stereotype that men only go after the beautiful girls, or will cheat on you etc for someone better, that men are after sex only, and sexual attractiveness - Which isn't true, I've known many decent men, some even feel pressure of falling into those roles just because of this false expectation.

    That's what some women want to get away from also, and by hidding their body away they believe they have control, they can make you look at them as a person, human being and not firstly as a female/woman/sex.


    This is worthy of being stickyed!  clap WOW! stardust WOW! You are at your brilliant best here! You would make an excellent shrink.



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #11 - August 04, 2010, 12:15 PM

    This is worthy of being stickyed!  clap WOW! stardust WOW! You are at your brilliant best here! You would make an excellent shrink.

     Blonde    hypocrucifier and stardust  .,  "How about "MEN" " converting to Islam??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #12 - August 04, 2010, 12:41 PM

    There's a thread for that: Why do men convert to Islam?
     @ yeezvee : because they are obscenely over fed and have an abnormally high testosterone level that makes them want to forever dominate,destroy,conquer,maim,kill,rape people. The west,unfortunately doesn't give them enough opportunities to be macho enough so they choose Islam where there's religious sanction to rape kuffar women and a great cause to fight and defend the honor of Islam against the kuffars!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #13 - August 04, 2010, 01:56 PM

    Maybe this could be applied to Muslims as well:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianismo

    lol @ your sig

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  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #14 - August 04, 2010, 02:05 PM

    Quote
    I think most women converting to Islam are through Muslim boyfriends, and also women are known to be better at compromising than men.


    A genuine friend will accept you for what you are and respect and tolerate the differences. Yes! compromises are vital but they should never amount to a surrender!

    Quote
    Islam gives more peace, in that women are 'protected' by men they can be simply housewives with no guilt to it, and focus on raising kids etc, it's more peaceful compared to the high paced lives people have to live to be independent and well off these days.


    Eastern cultures have traditionally had this feature. It's independent of any religion! Even Christianity harps on the value of family life and the role of a woman as a home maker. Funny thing is when Islam says it ,it's considered as 'liberating' by warped feminists,whereas when Christianity says the same thing it's considered 'subjugating'. Surely, even today there are a lot of full time house wives in the west. Take care NOT TO choose an incorrigible asshole[popular heart throbs! bounce] and you are good to go as a merry house wife!


    Quote
    In islam there is a sense of community which has been lost in the west, particularly in cities, sense of belonging and togetherness, a substitute family for those who are alone.


    You get this in your neighborhood gang too! The loneliness experienced is self created by an over emphasis on uncompromising,dehumanizing  individuality,where the only thing that matters is me, me, me......The solution to this doesn't lie in becoming a member of a gang of any kind, but in reaching out to people with kindness and compassion and genuine caring.You could make your entire neighborhood your family! You don't have to sacrifice your individuality to be able to do this

    Quote
    To be honest I do think there's a tendency of over sexualisation of people and from an age too young here in the west, but putting on a burkha because of that is extreme and unfortunately it's the same message - saying women ARE sexual objects hence they must be hidden away.


    Spot on! But listening to the 'creative' justifications makes you marvel at the extent of delusions a human mind is capable of. You have a free choice to be nuts I suppose!

    Quote
    Plus, there's those who are simply easily persuaded by people who they are around, and wanting to fit in with the majority of people, such as in schools, and not feel like an outcast. There are areas where there are majority of muslim people living. Then there's the attention seeker, who wants to feel special when muslims begin focusing their attention on this 'kaffir' to save them and get goodie points.



    Desperately trying to prove Allah's[Muhammad's?] perception of women in general, RIGHT, I suppose!

                                                                                 





                                                            A Spark of Feminism ?
     
    Confused young females of all sorts,
    Raised by inept parents ,who should have known better,
    Than to foist these half baked products
    On a society that's growing crazier

    Where the choice of a  partner,
    Is dictated by the excitement of uncertainty,
    Amply provided by assholes of dubious character;
    Thus begins these naive females' 
     plunge into their chosen hell holes of horror.

    As the thrill wanes and the truth dawns,
    the certainty of abuses
    Makes life miserable and intolerable,
    A new search becomes inevitable.
    But like a junkie's quest for his fix,
    Another asshole comes along,
    Life becomes a tragic song,
    The whole charade is repeated as a poor remix.
    Bewildered,lost and defeated,
    They start complaining tis all wrong
    Utterly blind to their stupid choices!

    All men are evil they begin to say
    With our extreme hatred we shall make them pay
    For treating us so unfairly
    Feminists we shall become to fightand rant
     For our liberation and equality
    But cherry picking the bad guys they just can't
    Condemn a half of humanity!

    As you sow so shall you reap
    Human relationships don't come cheap
    Effortless,endless love belongs to the realms of fantasy
    Wave after wave hitting the shore regularly
    After long boring periods of monotony
    Is love's quintessential reality!





    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #15 - August 04, 2010, 02:06 PM

    lol @ your sig

    Cheesy

    "The Island"

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #16 - August 10, 2010, 12:23 AM

    I can't really understand why my mom converted. I mean—well, I can guess what may have been a contributing factor, but still, I can't get my head around it.

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #17 - August 10, 2010, 12:30 AM

    Why haven't you asked her?  Cheesy



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #18 - August 10, 2010, 12:43 AM

    Why haven't you asked her?  Cheesy

    Because 1, she'll give me some weak answer like, "It's the truth..."
    and 2, I don't want to end up like this: skull

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #19 - August 10, 2010, 03:03 AM

    I have a theory on this... and it's a bit of a shallow one, but then... young girls are shallow so it workd.

    I honestly think that it has to do with lot of women not being able to live up to the standards of beauty repressented in magazines. Some choose anorexia/bulimia, and others choose to cover themselves from head to toe.

    I can also understand because I'm stupidly shy, especially walking into crowds, it would be so easy to just put a bag over my head and not have interact with people.

    There is always the love conversions, but I really do think that hiding from the world can be very appealing to a girl with lowself esteem. Unfortuneatly it's the cowards way of dealing with it, but they can just tell themselves that it's to gain more respect from the opposite sex. Which is flawed, because even if by some measure they have gained more respect in the eyes of men, they've lost it in the eyes of their fellow women.

    so it's basically MEGA FAIL.

    Some might be going it because they actually believe it, but... THAT i can't understand.

  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #20 - August 10, 2010, 05:18 PM

    I think there might be some women who find the idea of hijab (covering in baggy clothes) appealing, just as I have seen women embrace these aspects of Judaism and conservative Christianity and it is clear from their own words that they have body issues.  However, it's worth it to point out that in the west, most Muslim women don't wear hijab, and that includes converts.  We know who the convert hijabis are, but the non hijabi convert Muslim?  You wouldn't even know she exists as a Muslim when you see her walking down the street.  I did know some Muslim friends who were really into hijab as a symbol of their piety and identity and they have real body issues (which is why they make it such a part of their identity and get so defensive about the hijab when it's discussed).

    I don't know what is so hard, though, to understand that a person might genuinely believe that there's one god, mo is his prophet, the quran is the book, etc.  I don't really like the discounting of women's personal consciences when this is discussed - as it has been many times in the past.  Most people in western societies are already raise to believe in invisible friends, and it's really not such a great leap from Christianity to Islam when you consider that most non-Muslim people are spoon fed a very simplistic, basic, stripped away version of Islamic beliefs and practices and that most Muslims never really do study Islamic theology and shariah in depth - including most converts.

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  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #21 - August 10, 2010, 05:23 PM

    I think there might be some women who find the idea of hijab (covering in baggy clothes) appealing, just as I have seen women embrace these aspects of Judaism and conservative Christianity and it is clear from their own words that they have body issues.  However, it's worth it to point out that in the west, most Muslim women don't wear hijab, and that includes converts.  We know who the convert hijabis are, but the non hijabi convert Muslim?  You wouldn't even know she exists as a Muslim when you see her walking down the street.  I did know some Muslim friends who were really into hijab as a symbol of their piety and identity and they have real body issues (which is why they make it such a part of their identity and get so defensive about the hijab when it's discussed).

    I don't know what is so hard, though, to understand that a person might genuinely believe that there's one god, mo is his prophet, the quran is the book, etc.  I don't really like the discounting of women's personal consciences when this is discussed - as it has been many times in the past.  Most people in western societies are already raise to believe in invisible friends, and it's really not such a great leap from Christianity to Islam when you consider that most non-Muslim people are spoon fed a very simplistic, basic, stripped away version of Islamic beliefs and practices and that most Muslims never really do study Islamic theology and shariah in depth - including most converts.

    Interesting. I can relate to some of that last bit, a lot of people don't seem to know what all is entailed in the theology.

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #22 - August 10, 2010, 05:37 PM

    And the ones that do are usually bat shit insane because of it.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #23 - August 10, 2010, 06:19 PM

    And the ones that do are usually bat shit insane because of it.

     Cheesy

    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #24 - August 11, 2010, 11:10 PM

    I think there might be some women who find the idea of hijab (covering in baggy clothes) appealing, just as I have seen women embrace these aspects of Judaism and conservative Christianity and it is clear from their own words that they have body issues.  However, it's worth it to point out that in the west, most Muslim women don't wear hijab, and that includes converts.  We know who the convert hijabis are, but the non hijabi convert Muslim?  You wouldn't even know she exists as a Muslim when you see her walking down the street.  I did know some Muslim friends who were really into hijab as a symbol of their piety and identity and they have real body issues (which is why they make it such a part of their identity and get so defensive about the hijab when it's discussed).

    I don't know what is so hard, though, to understand that a person might genuinely believe that there's one god, mo is his prophet, the quran is the book, etc.  I don't really like the discounting of women's personal consciences when this is discussed - as it has been many times in the past.  Most people in western societies are already raise to believe in invisible friends, and it's really not such a great leap from Christianity to Islam when you consider that most non-Muslim people are spoon fed a very simplistic, basic, stripped away version of Islamic beliefs and practices and that most Muslims never really do study Islamic theology and shariah in depth - including most converts.

    Manat,
    I love your honest, rational and analytical posts.  Afro
    How about the idea of 'power'?  I'm no expert (just amateur thinker Tongue).

    When a section of society is disempowered, they are likely to seek other ways of empowerment.  Or even when people just see an opportunity to achieve greater power or attention, they might be tempted to follow that path.
    When western women see videos on YouTube of western converts to Islam being given so much attention, they might think: "I want some of that".

    I see disempowered/disenfranchised groups (or individuals) seeking other ways of empowerment in many socio-economic situations, wars, and even in daily life around me.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #25 - August 12, 2010, 09:47 PM

    Well, I know some womens who convert to Islam but didn't accept everything. They don't wear the scarf (they actually think that we don't need it in our time especially in the West) for example and they just have a life like any other women here. The difference is that they focus on spirituality.
     When I look the way they live, there ist no difference with most of the western ladies,; they meet with friends, go to swim, eat in the restaurant, drive their car, are working. they didn't loose any liberty.
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #26 - August 12, 2010, 09:51 PM

    Then they not really Muslim in action, they just call themselves a Muslim.
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #27 - August 12, 2010, 10:00 PM


    They actually pray, fast, most of them did the hajj and pay their zakat. It is not just muslims by words. I find that they do have much qualities, more than many who wear a scarf and curse people all day...
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #28 - August 12, 2010, 10:10 PM

    I know but I wouldn't call the Hijabis properly Muslim either, they are however Muslim by name. However I do see that some guides in Islam are good, so I would call all of them pickers and choosers, they kind of nominal Muslim's doing the bits they like most.
  • Re: Why do women convert to Islam
     Reply #29 - August 12, 2010, 10:21 PM

    Yes, in a way your right. Most of them are sufis; their guide actually didn't ask them such things as wearing the scarf for example or the mens to grow a beard, but too stay like they are and continue to have a normal life having good relations with everybody, people of other faith. They practice Islam, the five pillars and have their daily spiritual Dhikr; they are very nice and stable persons.
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