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  • Apostate from Turkey
     OP - August 08, 2010, 04:37 AM

    Hello everyone.
    Finally I seem to find a good community for ex-muslims.

    After an honest decision to become a better muslim, and stabilize my inner tremors
    I have become an atheist... Huh?

    My wife is on the verge of being an atheist herself, but no one else in our families or friends know about this.
    I don't know if I should tell, but it's keeping me from being myself not only because I have to fake lots of things,
    but because it will be hard for me to raise my children as rational individuals in this environment.

    Jazakallah for creating this forum.  Wink
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #1 - August 08, 2010, 04:39 AM

    Welcome to the Forum

    I know how you feel man. At one point, I had to fake it too, it was just a mental strain. Then I was like forget it and I told everyone. To tell you the truth, that's the best decision to make. If they dont like it or judgmental about it, oh well, their loss
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #2 - August 08, 2010, 04:42 AM

    Easier said than done. And it's better for many Muslims to never come out.

    Anyway, welcome, burdenofbeing.
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #3 - August 08, 2010, 04:54 AM

    It's definitely not easy. I love my parents, they are awesome people really.
    It would be terrible for them to learn that their son is going to eternal hell.

    The best option may be to move to another city or country.
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #4 - August 08, 2010, 04:59 AM

    Welcome, and I wish you all the best. Smiley

    If you can't tell your kids or family or friends that you've left Islam, then my main suggestion would be to just raise your kids to think critically and to have an open mind. Smiley If your wife is skeptical about Islam too, then perhaps it is something you can discuss with her in the future.

    I don't want to tell you how to do your job as a parent, but if you have doubts about Islam but don't want to make that public then just be sure that you encourage your kids to be free-thinkers at the least. I think there would be nothing sadder than being skeptical of Islam, bringing your kids up in a religious environment, and then telling them later that you had already left Islam... Kids are impressionable imo, so it will be hard for them to tear down what they had been told to believe in.

    I wish you all the best; stick around. Smiley
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #5 - August 08, 2010, 05:01 AM

    It's definitely not easy. I love my parents, they are awesome people really.
    It would be terrible for them to learn that their son is going to eternal hell.

    The best option may be to move to another city or country.



    Quote
    In al-Saheehayn it is narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Each of you is a shepherd and each of you is responsible for his flock. The ruler who is in charge of the people is a shepherd and is responsible for his flock. A man is the shepherd of his family and is responsible for his flock. A woman is the shepherd of her husband’s household and is responsible for her flock. A servant is the shepherd of his master’s wealth and is responsible for his flock. Each of you is a shepherd and is responsible for his flock.”

    Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2554; Muslim, 1829.


    That Hadeeth pretty much says Parents are responsible for Children's Actions. It's ok though. My mom thinks she is going to hell because she failed in raising me a Muslim  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #6 - August 08, 2010, 05:17 AM

    What did you find fault with Islam?

    Was it just that Islam is irrational belief?

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #7 - August 08, 2010, 06:01 AM

    Yes, my problem was more with the concept of belief. If summed up to one sentence it would be

    It doesn't make sense for a god to endow his creations with rewarding rationality, with which they prosper, and then ask them to throw it away, and pick one religion, in an environment of many, that decides whether they get an eternity of punishment or orgies.

    If there is a god, he hasn't contacted us in a non-manipulative conversational manner yet.
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #8 - August 08, 2010, 06:51 AM

    Hello everyone.
    Finally I seem to find a good community for ex-muslims.

    After an honest decision to become a better muslim, and stabilize my inner tremors
    I have become an atheist... Huh?

    My wife is on the verge of being an atheist herself, but no one else in our families or friends know about this.
    I don't know if I should tell, but it's keeping me from being myself not only because I have to fake lots of things,
    but because it will be hard for me to raise my children as rational individuals in this environment.

    Jazakallah for creating this forum.  Wink


    Welcome BOB, you are in the same situation as I was few years ago. However, my wife is full blown atheist right now and it is always a pleasure having able to discuss religion, evolution and other related stuff at home. However, till now I find it hard to tell my immediate family. Several of my good friends know that I am skeptic, but they don't know just yet that I have never had faith to begin with. Since I can remember I always found it difficult to believe in a blind and deaf superbieng that is non-existing, at least by evidence.

    It's ok to pretend since you are obviously in a strict Muslim environment. For fear of yours and your family's safety.

    I think you should concentrate now on discussing religion in general with your wife. Ask her simple questions that will make her think even harder. Like, why would god send few old men to tell us about him. If he is as powerful and as mightier as he says, I am sure he could have found a better way of communicating with us all. We could all have dreamt of him at night. At least once in a life time. Yes, I think it would have been much better if we all have a dream about the man in the sky, with the same shape and the same cloths and we have the dream exactly at the same age. That would have been a simple miracle.

    Or, why didn't god postpone sending old grumpy men until video cameras are made, or the Internet? We could have seen the prophets and their action as they happened.

    Well, enough ranting now, and welcome BOB to the forums once again. far away hug

    ...
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #9 - August 08, 2010, 07:10 AM

    We talk about it but I don't want to force it. She is practically an atheist, but I'm feeling she likes calling herself muslim right now because otherwise it will be harder on her ego to keep up the façade.

    It's really sad how much humans make life miserable for each other. Years ago, she was constantly in tears when the university she attended treated her like scum, demanded her to take off her headscarf, didn't let her in for her graduation and etc. Now it will be the same thing in reverse, but at least not sanctioned by the government.

    My mom who cries when she hears the stories of atheists becoming muslim despite their families, claims she doesn't understand how a family could disown their children. But I suspect she would do the same with me.

    Humans are so weird.

    Thanks to all of you for your welcome and inputs, and the feeling of belonging.
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #10 - August 08, 2010, 08:44 AM

    Welcome to the forum, burdenofbeing.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #11 - August 08, 2010, 09:19 AM

     signwelcome

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #12 - August 08, 2010, 11:46 AM

    Sen de hoşgeldin birader! Wink

    Burası Türkler ile dolmaya başlamaktadır, hehe. Öbür yeni gelen kardeş Kayserili ve Belçika'da oturuyor.

    So, how did you learn English? Did you visit a university?
    Do you know about Turkish platforms for atheists/freethinkers? I know about turandursun.com and another one which I can't find the URL for. Smiley

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  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #13 - August 08, 2010, 11:54 AM

    Welcome to the forum, BurdenOfBeing. hugs

    You've already received good advice, from Unechance, RIBS and Abood.

    You always have this forum to speak your mind and vent your frustrations.  Smiley

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #14 - August 08, 2010, 12:02 PM

    Hoşbulduk Smiley

    Well, I had a good education, and I have a knack for language I suppose. Also, I've been on the internet since 1996 so, it helped.

    I have known a few turkish platforms but I don't really like them. Those places are mostly home to born atheists who are quite militant and very ignorant to the plight of muslims and ex-muslims alike. What I need is people more like me. Like hassan for example. This quote from his introduction is exactly my situation:

    "However the fact that I no longer believe in Islam doesn’t mean I have suddenly turned into a hater of Islam. I know that Islam brings a great deal of guidance, comfort and worthy values to the lives of millions of people. I know that most Muslims are good and decent people. How could I possibly hate Muslims when my family are Muslims? When I speak to my older children about what I think, I tell them they must find out for themselves what they believe and if they feel happy being Muslims then that is what they should be. I certainly don’t feel the need to pass on my own beliefs concerning God and religion to them – something I felt it was my duty to do when I was a Muslim."

    Danke für die Begrüßung
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #15 - August 08, 2010, 12:20 PM

    Ah, interesting. Well, there certainly are many "born atheists" on those platforms, but I've also read stories from Ex-Muslims who have been very devout in their lives. I don't participate much there, just occasionally reading their stuff to see what's new and what's going on.

    So you know German as well? Das ist ziemlich cool. Wink

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  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #16 - August 08, 2010, 12:22 PM

    Ah yes, Hazreti Hassan is our little, old gem here. Tongue

    I'm translating his book from English into German. Would you be interested to translate it into Turkish? Smiley

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  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #17 - August 08, 2010, 12:52 PM

    How's that going, Aziz? I haven't done much translating since chapter two myself, but I'll get to it soon.

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #18 - August 08, 2010, 01:08 PM

    Welcome.  Remember it isn't only a choice between Islam and atheism, your wife still has the option of deism.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #19 - August 08, 2010, 01:08 PM

    I'm on chapter 7 already. Smiley

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  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #20 - August 08, 2010, 01:22 PM

    Ah yes, Hazreti Hassan is our little, old gem here. Tongue

    I'm translating his book from English into German. Would you be interested to translate it into Turkish? Smiley


    I could do that. Considering I've helped thousands of people become muslim, millions to learn about islam, it's only fair.



    Welcome.  Remember it isn't only a choice between Islam and atheism, your wife still has the option of deism.

    I have no problems with my wife, I'm sure she will follow when she feels comfortable. It's a complex situation.
    I know there are options, but honestly, all I care about is not being completely irrational . Romanticizing about a god, being a zen buddhist, a moderate agnostic et cetera is all good.
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #21 - August 08, 2010, 01:29 PM

    Hey welcome cool new dude

    Shocked

    That Hadeeth pretty much says Parents are responsible for Children's Actions. It's ok though. My mom thinks she is going to hell because she failed in raising me a Muslim  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


    +1

    Don't hurt your family :/ there is no reason to tell them about your "apostation" !!!!


    Enjoy your stay !

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  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #22 - August 08, 2010, 01:32 PM

    Don't hurt your family :/ there is no reason to tell them about your "apostation" !!!!

    How about honesty & integrity?  I told my family and certainly glad I did it.
    After an honest decision to become a better muslim, and stabilize my inner tremors
    I have become an atheist... Huh?

    How did this happen?  Good to see you here.  

    So tell us how you found us & how long you experienced doubts before making this hell-bound decision

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  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #23 - August 08, 2010, 01:38 PM

    Don't hurt your family :/ there is no reason to tell them about your "apostation" !!!!

    No. That's part of the guilt instilled in Muslims that takes away their individual expression.
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #24 - August 08, 2010, 01:39 PM

    I could do that. Considering I've helped thousands of people become muslim, millions to learn about islam, it's only fair.


    Great! But it's gonna take you a lot of time and require some dedication. Do you think you can keep up the motivation to do it? It has ca. 40k words.

    You could join the chat, so we can talk about the details.

    You converted hundreds if not thousands? Boy, you got some atonement to do. Tongue

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  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #25 - August 08, 2010, 01:47 PM

    How about honesty & integrity?  I told my family and certainly glad I did it.How did this happen?  Good to see you here.  

    So tell us how you found us & how long you experienced doubts before making this hell-bound decision


    Well, according to islam being a munafiq/hypocrite is worse than being a kafir so maybe I should tell them.
    It's still hard though, because they sincerely believe I will be damned forever.

    How it happened. Well, to strengthen my beliefs I needed to face the questions I had. Why wasn't I sincere enough? Why didn't I forsake everything for Islam? Was it all habitual? Why don't I believe as much as I should be believing... I have evaded the questions and tried to find makeshift reasonings long enough. In the end, it was clear that I no longer believed in Islam and I was just too scared to admit it to myself. It was tough. Took a solid 2 years in social reclusion.


    I found this place through some link in an ex-muslims blog I guess. I don't remember.

  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #26 - August 08, 2010, 01:51 PM

    Great! But it's gonna take you a lot of time and require some dedication. Do you think you can keep up the motivation to do it? It has ca. 40k words.

    You could join the chat, so we can talk about the details.

    You converted hundreds if not thousands? Boy, you got some atonement to do. Tongue

    definitely. I just logged in to chat.
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #27 - August 08, 2010, 01:58 PM

    I found this place through some link in an ex-muslims blog I guess. I don't remember.

    So I guess you don't know what the blog was?
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #28 - August 08, 2010, 02:17 PM

    no sorry. :(
  • Re: Apostate from Turkey
     Reply #29 - August 08, 2010, 03:51 PM

    Hello everyone.
    Finally I seem to find a good community for ex-muslims.

    After an honest decision to become a better muslim, and stabilize my inner tremors
    I have become an atheist... Huh?

    My wife is on the verge of being an atheist herself, but no one else in our families or friends know about this.
    I don't know if I should tell, but it's keeping me from being myself not only because I have to fake lots of things,
    but because it will be hard for me to raise my children as rational individuals in this environment.

    Jazakallah for creating this forum.  Wink


    Welcome burdenofbeing! Nice to see you here. I hope the discussions with others in your situation here can tailor a solution to your specific circumstance.

    Best,
    HighOctane
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