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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #360 - September 28, 2010, 11:04 PM
    Yeah and the vegetable shipping industry uses refrigeration too so vegetarians are a menace.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #361 - September 28, 2010, 11:09 PM
    Oh, hang on. You do have a refrigerator in your house, don't you? And decaying vegetable matter does produce methane, does it not? You planet-murdering bastard! How can you live with yourself?  mysmilie_977
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #362 - September 28, 2010, 11:10 PM
    true but in order to make meat , raise a cow u need its food .... double the trouble
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #363 - September 28, 2010, 11:11 PM
    so ur comparing methane production of meat to that of veggies??
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #364 - September 28, 2010, 11:12 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 28, 2010, 10:53 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 28, 2010, 10:35 PM
    In a word, the meat industry is an existential menace.

    In that case your farting is an existential menace since your farts contain methane and several other greenhouse gases.

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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #365 - September 28, 2010, 11:16 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 28, 2010, 11:03 PM
    The fact remains that methane is a driving factor of warming:


    Nonsense

    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 28, 2010, 11:03 PM
    http://www.earthsave.org/globalwarming.htm


    Not a reliable source
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #366 - September 28, 2010, 11:19 PM
    Quote from: tabun on September 28, 2010, 11:11 PM
    so ur comparing methane production of meat to that of veggies??

    Yes. I'm comparing methane production with methane production. It's a driving force behind global warming, don't cha know?  Wink
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #367 - September 28, 2010, 11:21 PM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 28, 2010, 11:03 PM
    The chemical composition of flatulence is not invariably methane.

    Why then, the last time I brought my lighter to one, did a blue torched flame rip a 50 pence size hole straight through my undies?  

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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #368 - September 28, 2010, 11:29 PM
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7600005.stm
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #369 - September 28, 2010, 11:34 PM
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    There are various possibilities for reducing the greenhouse gas emissions associated with farming animals.

    They range from scientific approaches, such as genetically engineering strains of cattle that produce less methane flatus, to reducing the amount of transport involved through eating locally reared animals.

    That's what I do. No land clearing or factory farming involved.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #370 - September 28, 2010, 11:40 PM
    accually its not about you, its about the entire population if u think that the population can be fed on eating locally reared animals .. well i will have to call that naive
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #371 - September 28, 2010, 11:42 PM
    Yeah I know, but since I can do it then I might as well enjoy it. Afro
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #372 - September 28, 2010, 11:43 PM
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #373 - September 28, 2010, 11:56 PM
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    For example, in one study of the feces of nine adults, only five of the samples contained archaea capable of producing methane.[1] Similar results are found in samples of gas obtained from within the rectum.

    In other words, 56% of farts contain significant amounts of methane. Have you measured yours today?
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #374 - September 29, 2010, 12:11 AM
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #375 - September 29, 2010, 12:17 AM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 29, 2010, 12:11 AM
    ^ Thanks for conceding my point that flatulence is not invaraibly methane laden

    Thanks for not disputing my point that vegetarians often fart methane.


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    To recap this meandering debate: We've established that sentience is the basis upon which we acccord moral consideration. The corollary of which being that animals, possessing sentience, are entitled to our moral concern. Going further, the meat industry kills infinitely more people annually than does war by squandering vast quantities of grain and water that might otherwise feed the starving poor.

    Vegetarianism saves human lives as well the health of the planet.  QED.

    To recap this meandering debate, there is plenty of food in the world. It just isn't evenly distributed. Consequently it is the distribution problem that should be addressed rather than blaming famine on things like meat in diets.

    We should have already also established that using sentience as a basis for concern is basically narcissistic since it is effectively saying that the more like us they are the better we should treat them. This denies "lower" lifeforms the consideration that may well be their due, if one is to be totally fair about things.

    Eating meat does not harm the planet or cost lives if done sensibly. QED. 
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #376 - September 29, 2010, 04:36 AM
    Quote from: Lukatic on September 28, 2010, 08:03 AM
    Highly unlikely. I doubt that Muslims have magical superpowers to have known insider trading information way ahead of everyone else.


    The fact is the NZ lamb production has been turned over to halal for the "benefit" of "Muslim countries" that are buying the stuff with that knowledge. Therefore that knowledge is easily available and since Muslims in the UK are the ones who are most likely to want halal meat they are more likely to already be aware of the situation.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #377 - September 29, 2010, 05:07 AM
    Quote from: Ferrero on September 28, 2010, 10:32 AM
    DH, i'm beginning to lose my patience with you. Stop insinuating things, go read what I wrote instead. I'm not wasting another day of my life replying to you.


    What have I "insinuated"? My accusation that you are applying an Islamesque double standard in saying that non-Muslim objectors to halal "should" do this or that whilst stipulating no "shoulds" for Muslims is open and clear. I will assume, in the absence of a contrary statement from you, that you disagree with my above contention: MUSLIMS should stop fretting about whether or not the meat they eat has had some silly prayer said over it. If they CHOOSE to belong to a cult that disallows them from doing so then that is THEIR choice and THEIR problem. .  In other words, if a food outlet does not cater for Muslim dietary "needs", it is not the food outlet that is causing the Muslims a problem but the Muslims are causing THEMSELVES a problem by choosing  to belong a cult that places such a constraint on what they can eat. NON-Muslims objectors to having their food supply chain sneakily shariaized are not to be disparaged for their objection. To borrow Q-man terminology, it is the MUSLIMS who should "shut the fuck up" and be thankful they are not starving rather than whingeing that the meat their kids are getting at school hasn't had some glassy-eyed braindead prick chanting shit over it.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #378 - September 29, 2010, 08:01 AM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 28, 2010, 08:42 PM
    Your command of science proves as defective as your English. Methane is a driving cause of global warming.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122638800


     You're confusing refridgeration CFCs with Methane MAB. CFCs have been banned for several years now after James Lovelock's ground breaking research.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #379 - September 29, 2010, 08:07 AM
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #380 - September 29, 2010, 11:46 AM
    Quote from: Mount A Bison on September 29, 2010, 08:07 AM
    ^ Thank you for sharing. I have exchanged error for truth. Let me know whatcha think about my larger contention.

    There is no argument against your larger contention, unless you're debating Jeremy Clarkson's anonymous internet clone and / or have been drinking the industry sponsored kool-aid*.

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    [The global livestock sector is] one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global.

    --Livestock's Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options, 2006

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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #381 - September 29, 2010, 12:43 PM
    Yes it happened to a bloke I know.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #382 - September 29, 2010, 01:03 PM
    I think worrying about an Islamic take over through halal meat scores on the very bottom of my worries. take away my Bacon though, and there will be Hell to pay.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #383 - September 29, 2010, 01:05 PM
    As long as we understand that, given the option, the Muslim community would likely take away your bacon.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #384 - September 29, 2010, 02:14 PM
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #385 - October 01, 2010, 06:23 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on September 29, 2010, 01:05 PM
    As long as we understand that, given the option, the Muslim community would likely take away your bacon.


    I think under sharia as laid out in the major Islamic schools Christian dhimmis would be permitted to raise and eat bacon as long as they did so in away that did not offend the "sensibilities" of Muslims. However, the Qur'an seems to suggest that Allah would like the Jews and Christians NOT to eat bacon as it has been prohibited to them in the "messages" "sent down" to prophets Musa and Isa. Perhaps someone could clarify.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #386 - October 03, 2010, 04:07 PM

    DH, things are looking up

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    Waitrose forced to ditch halal lamb from Prince of Wales' Duchy range

    Waitrose is to introduce a range of non-halal lamb products as a  response to customers’ concerns about its meat supplies.

    Until now, all lamb sold by the store has been slaughtered in accordance with Islamic law, with a Muslim reciting a prayer in Arabic over the meat.

    But Waitrose said last night that, from now on, organic Welsh lamb from its Duchy Originals range – established by Prince Charles to market produce from his estates – will no longer be halal.

     
    More here :
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317312/Waitrose-forced-ditch-halal-lamb-Duchy-range.html#ixzz11IpB4qcN

    First comment to the article :

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    Boycott all Halal suppliers and they will soon stop this disgusting practise!And any government with backbone would make it illegal in this country too!

    - paul james, connahs quay, 3/10/2010 13:38

     

    Hear, hear.
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #387 - October 03, 2010, 04:14 PM
    ^  A pyrrhic victory. Let the supermarket chains quit stocking kosher meat as well. Should any mountebank raise the red herring of antisemitism I will proceed to mount him like a bison.
  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #388 - October 03, 2010, 05:29 PM

     Huh?
    What is the pyrrhic aspect of this victory ? Who has been devastated ?
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  • Re: Top UK supermarkets secretly sell only halal meat
     Reply #389 - October 03, 2010, 05:47 PM
    ^ I've been devastated my sweet. After all my sweating and striving to abolish the halal and kosher industry, after all the energy expended on putting down their witless arguments, I get only a measly compromise. For this I should be happy?

    Or are you just flirting with me? I'm flatterd, but is it true that you're awfully plain looking? I don't believe it.
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