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  • Are vegetarians really ethical?
     OP - September 28, 2010, 11:52 PM
    Serious question for consideration here.

    Vegetarians love to berate the rest of us with their supposedly superior ethics, and one of their main points is of course the welfare of animals and their right to life. However, the fact remains that in practice people are going to continue to eat meat. It's inevitable.

    When you take this into account it seems that really there is only only option for the truly concerned vegetarian: they should offer themselves as food to save the animals. By not doing this they are being morally and intellectually inconsistent with their professed position, and of course this is not a good thing.

    Thoughts?
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #1 - September 29, 2010, 12:10 AM
    ...
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #2 - September 29, 2010, 12:17 AM
    if you believe slavery is unethical, is your only option, in a world which will inevitably not abolish slavery, to offer your life up and become a slave to provide unending aid to those who need slaves to run whatever it is they do and thus give yourself over to the majority who will continue the act you find wrong?


    [/run on sentence]


    I have no idea why i bothered to respond to this. I rather feel like shooting myself.

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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #3 - September 29, 2010, 12:18 AM
    i offer myself up as food, actually.
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #4 - September 29, 2010, 12:19 AM
    i give in.

    now who wants to eat me. please stop running away.
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #5 - September 29, 2010, 12:20 AM
    I'll get the barbecue ready.  Afro
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #6 - September 29, 2010, 12:21 AM
    lol dance

    i'm quite excited. I've never been barbecued before. Can i please be served on a golden platter dance
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #7 - September 29, 2010, 12:22 AM
    Yokay but I'll have to go find one first. Could use gold paint but it would rub off methinks. Might have to settle for anodised aluminium. 
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #8 - September 29, 2010, 12:32 AM
    "Are vegetarians really ethical?"

    Most of them, yes.
  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #9 - September 29, 2010, 01:03 AM
    Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian?

    /godwin
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #10 - September 29, 2010, 01:10 AM
    Yes. He was. See what I mean? popcorn
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #11 - September 29, 2010, 02:20 AM
    This is an interesting question because it's not easy to answer. It is assumed that prevention of pain is the biggest ethical concern and it is also assumed that being a carnivore is a bad in itself. i wonder if anyone thinks of an eagle or a lion as evil instead of just brute nature?
    Do we ourselves have a responsility to do nature's work? should we keep the great circle of life and death going by actively participating in the death of others and then letting oneself become food once oneself has died? The key consideration here is of course nature above all else - the biosphere must be kept balanced therefore not too many nor too little carnivores can be allowed.
    Or, is the best road to abstain from causing all undue pain altogether - to assume, in good faith, that we know what animals can feel, that what they feel is a moral abomination and while the highest moral good is being sought after, let the delicate balance of the biosphere be damned if it cannot protect the lives of the innocent. It is a noble sentiment but I don't know if it works.
    I don't know what works as an answer to this question - it is yet to be satisfactorily answered.
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #12 - September 29, 2010, 11:41 AM
    Quote from: Ephemeral on September 29, 2010, 12:18 AM
    i offer myself up as food, actually.


    I'll be damned if I don't accept that offer
    I promise you, my dear, you won't suffer

    In fact, you might even die from laughter
    While I slice you up, centimetre for centimetre

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    Before you end up in succulent dishes

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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #13 - September 29, 2010, 11:58 AM
    I will laugh? O_O

    i'm masochistic but i  had no idea i was that masochistic.
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #14 - September 29, 2010, 12:02 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 28, 2010, 11:52 PM
    Serious question for consideration here.

    Vegetarians love to berate the rest of us with their supposedly superior ethics, and one of their main points is of course the welfare of animals and their right to life. However, the fact remains that in practice people are going to continue to eat meat. It's inevitable.

    When you take this into account it seems that really there is only only option for the truly concerned vegetarian: they should offer themselves as food to save the animals. By not doing this they are being morally and intellectually inconsistent with their professed position, and of course this is not a good thing.

    Thoughts?

    Good question but your logic is terrible Tongue If vegetarians gave themselves up as food it would not stop meat-eaters from eating other animals.

    How many vegetarians refuse medical treatment on the grounds that it has been tested on animals?
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #15 - September 29, 2010, 12:02 PM




    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #16 - September 29, 2010, 12:15 PM
    Oh and Hitler had a moustache - fight all those who .....
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #17 - September 29, 2010, 12:31 PM
    Some vegans/vegetarians are ethical in their choices regarding animals, some are not. Those who place the welfare of animals above that of their fellow humans are not. A.ghazali is a good example. He preferred to permanently eliminate the good-paying union jobs of hundreds of people at a greyhound track rather than take the risk that some dogs at said track might be mistreated, even when stronger enforcement (which would have created MORE good jobs rather than fewer) was an option on the table. I also find the intellectual dishonesty of people like him, who cherry-pick scientific evidence to support their worldview (much like a creationist would) to be morally appalling.

    But I would argue all vegans are adopting a decadent petit-bourgeois ethical standard-- I'd argue that even for the vegans who I like and respect.
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #18 - September 29, 2010, 12:45 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on September 29, 2010, 12:02 PM
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    The logic is flawless.
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #19 - September 29, 2010, 12:47 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on September 29, 2010, 12:02 PM
    Good question but your logic is terrible Tongue If vegetarians gave themselves up as food it would not stop meat-eaters from eating other animals.

    Might if enough of them did it.
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #20 - September 29, 2010, 01:17 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on September 29, 2010, 12:31 PM
    Some vegans/vegetarians are ethical in their choices regarding animals, some are not. Those who place the welfare of animals above that of their fellow humans are not. A.ghazali is a good example. He preferred to permanently eliminate the good-paying union jobs of hundreds of people at a greyhound track rather than take the risk that some dogs at said track might be mistreated, even when stronger enforcement (which would have created MORE good jobs rather than fewer) was an option on the table.


    Oh dear still brooding over that? Sorry if I’m not ethical enough for you. Maybe you should go kill a few more blue whales to improve on your ethics.

    Quote
    I also find the intellectual dishonesty of people like him, who cherry-pick scientific evidence to support their worldview (much like a creationist would) to be morally appalling.


    Shame I’ve never known you to be able to discount any of those so-called cherry picked scientific evidence. Because all I seem to get is inane, senseless rhetoric.
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #21 - September 29, 2010, 01:19 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 29, 2010, 12:47 PM
    Might if enough of them did it.

    What if they tasted like shite? Tongue
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #22 - September 29, 2010, 02:52 PM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on September 29, 2010, 01:17 PM
    Oh dear still brooding over that? Sorry if I’m not ethical enough for you. Maybe you should go kill a few more blue whales to improve on your ethics.

    Shame I’ve never known you to be able to discount any of those so-called cherry picked scientific evidence. Because all I seem to get is inane, senseless rhetoric.



    Someday your class will be liquidated and your bourgeois ethics swept into the dustbin of history.
    fuck you
  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #23 - September 29, 2010, 02:56 PM
    Vegetarians/vegans are just annoying, period. There's nothing more to it really. As long as they don't try to legislate their stupid bullshit they can say whatever they want.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #24 - September 29, 2010, 03:00 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on September 29, 2010, 02:52 PM
    Someday your class will be liquidated and your bourgeois ethics swept into the dustbin of history.


    While I'm definitely part of the bourgeois class and definitely the farthest thing from a communist, vegetarianism/vegans are invariably always snobby elitist twats.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #25 - September 29, 2010, 03:08 PM
    Quote from: Iblis on September 29, 2010, 03:00 PM
    vegetarianism/vegans are invariably always snobby elitist twats.

    not the ones Ive come across, quite often decent human beings believe it or not..
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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #26 - September 29, 2010, 03:08 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on September 29, 2010, 02:52 PM
    Someday your class will be liquidated and your bourgeois ethics swept into the dustbin of history.


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  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #27 - September 29, 2010, 03:09 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on September 29, 2010, 03:08 PM
    not the ones Ive come across, quite often decent human beings believe it or not..


    Correction: activist vegetarians/vegans

    There are plenty of people who don't eat meat as a personal choice (or religious stance) but don't foam at the mouth about it.
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #28 - September 29, 2010, 03:11 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on September 29, 2010, 03:08 PM
    not the ones Ive come across, quite often decent human beings believe it or not..


    Actually, truth be told, most of the vegans/vegetarians I've met have been too (excluding the straight-edgers), but I still think their ideology is grounded in decadent bourgeois ethical concerns.
    fuck you
  • Re: Are vegetarians really ethical?
     Reply #29 - September 29, 2010, 03:13 PM
    Quote from: Iblis
    vegetarianism/vegans are invariably always snobby elitist twats.


    Yes, just like Gandhi, Buddha, Leonardo da Vinci, George Bernard Shaw, Henry David Thoreau and Albert Einstein.
    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
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