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 Topic: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series

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  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #300 - October 14, 2010, 03:09 PM

    Quote from: Rev. Winton Dupree
    Nah, you can see to that "backlog" right now, bud. Don't use me as an excuse not to answer others' questions/arguments.


    Ooh! The soft, sorrowful, "jarred" tone of a sensitive soul has suddenly taken on a sharp edge. Before I resume the main business I must insist you clarify whether or not this supposed "hatred" in my heart was genuinely felt by you or not.

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  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #301 - October 14, 2010, 03:35 PM

    I was lying, you are a loving person, DH, but you're still going to hell for not letting Berbs into your heart. Now carry on.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #302 - October 14, 2010, 03:46 PM

    That'll do. I must however go now.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #303 - October 14, 2010, 03:52 PM

    Fuckin troll.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #304 - October 14, 2010, 04:17 PM

    Wow, for a moment there I thought DH would reply to my post.

    Oh wait... no I didn't.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #305 - October 14, 2010, 04:18 PM

    That'll do. I must however go now.


    Tell your sister I said hi when you see her Smiley
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #306 - October 18, 2010, 01:34 PM

    Wow, for a moment there I thought DH would reply to my post.

    Oh wait... no I didn't.


    Sorry Ishina. I do not have unlimited time to spend here and I could not allow RWD's Islamesque interjection diagnosing me as being "full of hate" pass unchallenged. Anyway, he has now shown his true nature and we will hopefully hear no more from him.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #307 - October 18, 2010, 01:35 PM

    Tell your sister I said hi when you see her Smiley


    Even if I had a sister, why would I want to do that?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #308 - October 18, 2010, 01:37 PM

    You could have answered me ten times over by now, if you were ever actually going to. But we both know you were not.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #309 - October 18, 2010, 01:41 PM

    Even if I had a sister, why would I want to do that?


    I've mentioned you in the CEMB Camping Trip thread Smiley

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=12838.0
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #310 - October 18, 2010, 03:06 PM

    Let us start, Ishina, with your statement:

    Quote
    You FIRMLY establish your position as NATIVE,


    I emphasise that fact yes.

    Quote
    while making an effort to separate me into some significant, yet undisclosed ‘other’ category, so far only known as ‘you people’....


    By "you people" I mean you people who are given to the sort of demonization and abuse of your detractors that you yourself are guilty of - including knee-jerk accusations of racism against people who object to the continued growth in their midst of a cult that is irredeemably inimical to modern notions of freedom and human rights. I am not applying the term to those who do not indulge in or approve of such behavior either actively or tacitly.
     
    Quote
    These ‘you people’ must be something else other than NATIVE, since you already put them and me apart from NATIVE.


    It is a FACT that most of you people have recent origins in parts of the world other than those in which you are living.

    Quote
    What specific criteria defines a Native British? It doesn't seem like a hard question to me, and you seem to be the one able to enlighten me.


    A native of Britain or Europe is defined by the same that defines a native of America, or India or Japan - length of habititation compared with other distinct elements of the population. Thus the native population of South Africa were those who were there when the Europeans first arrived - although some elements of that population were themselves more native to the region than others. Although it is now accepted that all humans ultimately have their origin in Africa, to regard Eugene Terra Blanche to be therefore as much a "native" of the place as Nelson Mandella would be stretching the definition of the word a bit far don't you think? If you are trying to press me to define "native" as "white" then you are wasting your time.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #311 - October 18, 2010, 03:08 PM

    You could have answered me ten times over by now,


    Didn't have the time

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #312 - October 18, 2010, 03:40 PM

    Didn't have the time

    Liar - youve chosen to reply to other posts, just not this one for some reason Thinking hard  Hmmm, wet frog springs to mind? bounce

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  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #313 - October 18, 2010, 03:52 PM

    Quote from:  IsLame
    Liar - youve chosen to reply to other posts, just not this one for some reason


    Oh what "reason" is that pray? Because I had unintentionally "painted myself into a corner" with my highlighting of the words "native" and "we"? I was well aware when I did this of the sort of response it would draw from certain elements at this forum. Believe it or not, some posts take longer than others and if I only have time for those that require less time I might as well attend to them.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #314 - October 18, 2010, 03:54 PM

    Round and round and round we go... We're just not getting anywhere, are we?

    I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between me and you, and why you feel you have some kind of status above mine, and not only that, but you also go so far as to say I actually owe you in some way or that I should respect you for some reason. I don't understand why you can't just say it straight, whatever it is. Take credit where credit is due, don't be modest.

    Three questions (again):

    What specifically defines a Native British in your eyes?
    What specifically do you have that I don't?
    What specifically have you done that I must respect?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #315 - October 18, 2010, 04:02 PM

    And he logged out.

    SPINELESS COWARD!
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #316 - October 18, 2010, 04:09 PM

    Great questions, I look forward to D*** H***'s (fill-in-the-blanks) response

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  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #317 - October 21, 2010, 04:01 PM

    Quote from: Ishina
    Round and round and round we go... We're just not getting anywhere, are we?


    Well YOU'RE not getting anywhere in your futile campaign to "nail me" as a racist. YOU are going round and round on a hamster wheel of your own making - continually asking me the same questions which I have adequately answered until I give you the "racist" answer that you want.

    Quote
    I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between me and you,


    Where did I say there is such a "difference"?

    Quote
    and why you feel you have some kind of status above mine,


    That is your interpretation based on your determination to read racist attitudes into my words.

    Quote
    and not only that, but you also go so far as to say I actually owe you in some way or that I should respect you for some reason. I don't understand why you can't just say it straight, whatever it is. Take credit where credit is due, don't be modest.


    Ex-Muslims of recent immigrant origin have reason to be grateful to the NATIVE populations of the western countries that provided them with an environment in which they were able to question Islam and leave it in relative safety. If all the NATIVE population of Europe were non-"white" that would still apply.

    Quote
    What specifically defines a Native British in your eyes?


    If you had bothered properly READING my responses to you, you would be aware that I have already adequately answered this question. It is the same as defines a native American, Arabian, Australian or Indian. Why do we call Australian ABORIGINIES by that name? From above link:

    "1.
    a. A member of the INDIGENOUS  or EARLIEST KNOWN population of a region; a NATIVE.


    From same online dictionary:

    Native:

    5.
    a. Being a member of the ORIGINAL INHABITANTS of a particular place.


    Now I am not going to say "skin color" - your burning desire - because that is purely incidental - and anyhow, the native population of Europe, encompasses a wide range of skin pigmentation and physiognomies. The Australian aborigines are easily distinguished from recent incomers by their distinctive physical appearance. However, if the European and later Asian and other colonialists of the continent were racially indistinguishable from the native Australians the former would not by that fact be imbued with "nativeness". Likewise recent immigrant communities into Europe from outside the continent. These are facts the communicating of which does not constitute racism as you are determined to have it.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #318 - October 21, 2010, 04:57 PM

    Why don't you just cop to being BNP, DH? We all think you are anyways.

    "In battle, the well-honed spork is more dangerous than the mightiest sword" -- Sun Tzu
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #319 - October 21, 2010, 05:11 PM

    DH - is being a member of the BNP, in your opinion, something to be ashamed about?  (Yes or No please)

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  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #320 - October 21, 2010, 06:04 PM

    Yeh I'm still waiting for my two questions to be answered...
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #321 - October 21, 2010, 06:16 PM

    Let us start, Ishina, with your statement:

    I emphasise that fact yes.

    By "you people" I mean you people who are given to the sort of demonization and abuse of your detractors that you yourself are guilty of - including knee-jerk accusations of racism against people who object to the continued growth in their midst of a cult that is irredeemably inimical to modern notions of freedom and human rights. I am not applying the term to those who do not indulge in or approve of such behavior either actively or tacitly.
     
    It is a FACT that most of you people have recent origins in parts of the world other than those in which you are living.

    A native of Britain or Europe is defined by the same that defines a native of America, or India or Japan - length of habititation compared with other distinct elements of the population. Thus the native population of South Africa were those who were there when the Europeans first arrived - although some elements of that population were themselves more native to the region than others. Although it is now accepted that all humans ultimately have their origin in Africa, to regard Eugene Terra Blanche to be therefore as much a "native" of the place as Nelson Mandella would be stretching the definition of the word a bit far don't you think? If you are trying to press me to define "native" as "white" then you are wasting your time.


    Hoist with your own petard then, I think. Because of the commonality of Human origin we are all related: we all have the same ancestry. What do you mean by 'more native' - what a senseless observation given what you've said above. The petty distinctions you try to establish to justify your racist leanings are quite self-defeating. You'd do well to read Oppenheimer's 'The origins of the British' ; that should give you some obviously missing background to modify your ill-formed opinions about what you obviously see as some form of ownership rights.
    And yes, since you asked, Eugene Terreblanche was an African since he probably shared common ancestry with the black South Africans he affected to despise. He just returned to his roots without ever knowing it.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #322 - October 25, 2010, 05:06 AM

    Hey DH, three questions (again), important parts in bold this time:

    What specifically defines a Native British in your eyes?
    What specifically do you have that I don't?
    What specifically have you done that I must respect?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #323 - October 25, 2010, 05:16 AM

    Where did I say there is such a "difference"?


    Here:

    ... it does you people no favors to be seen treating  the UTTERLY LEGITIMATE concerns of NATIVE western NON-MUSLIMS like myself with kneejerk abuse, vilification and sarcasm. WE, as targets of your murderous fanatical former brethren, have a legitimate interest in this matter.


    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #324 - October 25, 2010, 05:18 AM

    Ishna. Why don't you accept that your relentless pursuit of  a rabid racist has ended with nothing more than an increasingly putrid red herring between your teeth? I have answered your questions adequately and, no matter how many times you ask me them, I am not going to give you the "racist" answers that you want. I do not "define" people as "British" or "European" by their skin pigmentation or any other physical characteristics.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #325 - October 25, 2010, 05:20 AM

    DH - is being a member of the BNP, in your opinion, something to be ashamed about?  (Yes or No please)


    Yes. Do you think being a member of Islam is something to be ashamed about?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #326 - October 25, 2010, 05:21 AM

    Why can't you just answer the questions?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #327 - October 25, 2010, 05:25 AM

    Quote from: sojournerlumus
    Hoist with your own petard then, I think. Because of the commonality of Human origin we are all related: we all have the same ancestry.


    Then we will have to conclude that the Jewish population of  what is now Israel are equally "native" inhabitants of the place as anybody else and have as much right to be there as "The Palestinians". Don't you agree?  Agreed Rev Winton? Agreed Ishina?

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #328 - October 25, 2010, 05:26 AM

    Why can't you just answer the questions?


    I have. Your repeated claims that I have not merely demonstrate that your attempts to "nail" me as a racist have floundered in the sand.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: Secrets of Scientology: BBC Panorama series
     Reply #329 - October 25, 2010, 05:46 AM

    Nah, you made a stab at one of them and ignored the other two.

    Let me try again, and break it down for you a bit. I’m not sure how I can frame my questions any better without you dodging around them, so what I’ll do is bold the operative words, and specify why I am asking them.

    What specifically defines a Native British in your eyes?

    I am asking you this because I already consider myself British. It seems to me that there is no difference between you and I, with respect to our rights to claim to be British. Can you clarify to me why you consider yourself NATIVE and consider me some 'other' type? What is this 'type'? Saying "Native British is the same as Native Americans" goes no way to answering the question. You might as well just say a Native Earthling. What specifically defines a Native British in your eyes? Can you name a few characteristics that sets a Native British person apart from, say, a Native Spanish person? And also, what would you describe me as?

    What specifically have you done that I must respect?

    I am asking you this because you have made it clear in this thread that you consider your status in Britain above mine. You say that I should be thankful, that I owe you something, that I should respect this fact when addressing you. But what have you contributed to my life? How have you helped me? How have you helped my country? What do you think I owe you for? What are you claiming credit for here?



    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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