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 Topic: Is science a religion?

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #30 - October 05, 2010, 02:19 AM

    That depends on what you mean by truth - of course religion isn't provable in an objective manner, if there is any truth in it then it must be of an a priori nature.


    I mean the opposite of false.

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #31 - October 05, 2010, 02:26 AM

    I like the lay peoples' opinions too. Of course famous people give it life, but the common person brings it to life.

    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #32 - October 05, 2010, 02:29 AM

    I mean the opposite of false.


    Sure, but what counts as false? If a man says he has experienced god, how do you possibly falsify that?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #33 - October 05, 2010, 02:31 AM

    What can be claimed without proof can be rejected without proof.

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #34 - October 05, 2010, 02:37 AM

    Of course there is proof, proof enough for that person. The truth cannot be narrowed to only a publically acceptable variety, there are all manner of things that we as subjective creatures can never "prove" objectively.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #35 - October 05, 2010, 02:39 AM

    Ahh yes, like The Emperor's New Clothes.


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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #36 - October 05, 2010, 02:42 AM

    we could start with analyzing the man's claim deeper. if he claims to have experienced god, he should be able to give a description. we'll then be in a position to think about whats going on. fMRI ing his brain will be useful too.

    my personal opinion is that the answer to god experience lies in neuroscience.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #37 - October 05, 2010, 02:45 AM

    another important reason why i think god experience is the property of the human brain than any reality called 'god' - all kinds of logically incompatible gods are experienced by millions of people.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #38 - October 05, 2010, 02:45 AM

    The risk of deceit can always be countered by your own experience. Nobody is asking you to take another's word for it, all that is being asked is you don't dismiss it because it doesn't fit the narrow criteria of knowledge established by objective methods.
    My point throughout has only been that, metaphysically speaking, if it is true that there is a metaphysical source to all reality and that the truths of maths can exist in this source apart from the rest of the world, then it could be that there are also divine truths there as well. You can choose to state that you will only accept objective truths, but let us not forget that this is a choice only, nothing about the nature of reality presupposes that one must be objective to be truthful.
    For example, art is a subjective creation. Does that mean art cannot portray truths? Even truths that can't be objectively proven?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #39 - October 05, 2010, 02:48 AM

    another important reason why i think god experience is the property of the human brain than any reality called 'god' - all kinds of logically incompatible gods are experienced by millions of people.


    I am not saying that the claims are real or truthful s12345, all I am saying is that they can't be falsified because they aren't hypotheses - they are experiences. They function on a different level to abstract rational systems of thought.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #40 - October 05, 2010, 02:56 AM

    I have spoken to God while overdosing on Psycobillin Mushrooms. While chasing floating leaves that were not even there, I fell over a tree root and he was waiting. He laughed at me. He was a dog. We spoke for hours. He told me the meaning of life, showed me it, plucked a star from the sky and placed it in my hand. And then, like that, he was gone.

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #41 - October 05, 2010, 02:58 AM

    no, if 2 people claim to experience ontologically incompatible gods, atleast one of them is delusional.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #42 - October 05, 2010, 03:03 AM

    anyway, all this talk of experience being something thats beyond validation just doesn't work for me. theres all kinds of noise thats experienced, all kinds of stuff dreamed up. subjective experience is certainly a rung lower than objective science as any indicator of truth.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #43 - October 05, 2010, 03:04 AM

    Nobody is asking you to take another's word for it, all that is being asked is you don't dismiss it because it doesn't fit the narrow criteria of knowledge established by objective methods.


    Actually, in this case, we are expected to just take someones word for it. It isn't a narrow or shallow view to expect just a tiny modicum of proof for such a fantastic claim, particularly a claim so widely sought after. We can't go around believing everything people say because of some half-baked notion that 'nothing can really be proven'. That way lies dangerous evangalists, faith healing and TV psychics conning the lost and vulnerable out of cash.

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #44 - October 05, 2010, 03:27 AM

    For example, art is a subjective creation. Does that mean art cannot portray truths? Even truths that can't be objectively proven?


    We all know that Art is not truth.  Art is a lie that makes us realize truth, at least the truth that is given us to understand. The artist must know the manner whereby to convince others of the truthfulness of his lies.  
    ~ Picasso

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #45 - October 05, 2010, 07:12 AM

    I think science is led by imagination and need.
    Science works, its not a religion.
    Science motto is "dont take anyones word for it".

    Religion is led by superstition and need.
    Religion doesnt work "atleast we dont know until death conquers us"
    Religion motto is "Dont ask, have faith"


    Usually I like to read more of the thread before I post but I'm going to start off by disagreeing with Tabun.

    Study and testing out every inspired expression is a regular part of my religious life.

    In most cases Tabun may be right about sciences motto but there are cases when people are ask to blindly follow the direction of so called science with very little fact to support it. Just like when "science" thought it was a good idea to vaccinate children with protein poor diets. How deep has "science' burried the mistake. There are alot of things that happen is the name of science that are not right.
    True enough there are way to many who in the name of religion claim that faith is all that it takes. For way to many years people were as much as put to death if they took it upon themself to learn about what religious writings said. But men and women chanced the penalty so that today most the world has well with in thier reach what ever religious writing they choose to read.

    I find the thought that we wont know if religion works until we die a though rather strange. There is so much more in my believes about life and living and when the dead will live again and when death will never conquer again. I know that obscession with death and a hell of torture is out there, I have shook head in dismay after more then a few conversations yet it takes me by surprise time and time again.

    When all is said and done I'll end up saying the world we live in has many colors, shades and hues. Never has it been, nor will it ever be, just two colors black and white. I have been convenced by evidence there is a God who cares for us and created all things. I have also come to know that people can put anything even science or atheism in the center of their life to point that they make it as if it is a god to them.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #46 - October 05, 2010, 07:15 AM

    I have been convenced by evidence there is a God who cares for us and created all things.


    Wow, really? I'd love to see it. I'm sure many people all over the world would too.

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #47 - October 05, 2010, 07:42 AM

    Wow, really? I'd love to see it. I'm sure many people all over the world would too.


    How interested?


    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #48 - October 05, 2010, 07:51 AM

    Very interested. I'm so interested that I think it deserves its own thread. Its probably the single most universally important philosophical question ever asked, and you have the answer. If you have evidence for god, people deserve to know.

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #49 - October 05, 2010, 08:01 AM

    Very interested. I'm so interested that I think it deserves its own thread. Its probably the single most universally important philosophical question ever asked, and you have the answer. If you have evidence for god, people deserve to know.


    Okay I'll think it over and if while I'm thinking it over there seems like a whole lot of interest I'll see what I can do.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #50 - October 05, 2010, 08:22 AM

    Count me in popcorn This is gonna be a historic event.

    P.S  I really think we should have the media involved

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #51 - October 05, 2010, 08:33 AM

    Hi everyone,

    I'm reading a book called The Looms of God, that states math and science are part of a spiritual journey of understanding and if you find a religion, the science is the basis for how things work. I don't have to book beside me, but later I'll quote some things. So, what do you think, is science a religion?

    I'm still working on my God essay and want to use this book to prove points, but I want other peoples' opinions as well (for the essay).  whistling2

    Thanks.  Thinking hard Vamoose

    No , it's not. Religion is based on belief in the absence of facts. Science does not need belief since it is based on observable facts. Ergo Science is not a religion.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #52 - October 05, 2010, 08:38 AM

    Ah, okay. I consider myself spiritual. I believe there is a God, but I don't want to follow religious dogma. Dogma is only good for mythology.

    Sorry I joined your thread late, by the way.
    I think if you're going fast and loose with Spirituality, you'd better define spiritual: then you can opine about why you think you're 'spiritual'.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #53 - October 05, 2010, 08:43 AM

    I'm sorry Islame. This book just has got me thinking about science and math being connected to God. Is it possible mathematical numbers could express the proof of God?

    Er, No. You don't start with god and then try to fit maths in around the notion. That's not scientific.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #54 - October 05, 2010, 11:10 AM

    Er, No. You don't start with god and then try to fit maths in around the notion. That's not scientific.


    What about the Fibonacce sequence though? Or Pythagorus? I guess we can look upon Aristotle's logic of what is true is true and what is NOT true is false. If we follow him, then we can assume God doesn't know what happens in the future because it has not been determined -- free will.

    I think I'm going to have to read the rest of the book. I just have a lot of questions. Is this bad?

    Sorry I joined your thread late, by the way.
    I think if you're going fast and loose with Spirituality, you'd better define spiritual: then you can opine about why you think you're 'spiritual'.


    To me, I define spirituality as a belief in a higher power without a religion.

    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #55 - October 05, 2010, 11:14 AM

    To me, I define spirituality as a belief in a higher power without a religion.

    Does this higher power, care or look out for you?

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #56 - October 05, 2010, 11:41 AM

    Yes. Also, my higher power isn't male or female, it is beyond what humans can grasp.

    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #57 - October 05, 2010, 11:44 AM

    I see, so its somewhere betweem theism and deism, but neither of them. 

    I'm surprised they have not come up with a word for it yet, as there are a lot of you out there..

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #58 - October 05, 2010, 12:18 PM

    Pantheism is interesting too. We could come up with our own term.  grin12

    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #59 - October 06, 2010, 02:56 AM

    @Lynna
    You look very spiritual, i am feeling generous today so lets say i give u the "god exsist" notion.
    Now can u pls give me "how would u link that to islam , christianity , judaism and other religions?"
    and while you are at it pls define that god of your's (characters would be great) and how u came to guess them?

    P.S: Lets be all philosophical, agreed?

    And science never said it was devoid of mistakes another great difference between science and religion.
    Cause as we know religion is always right cant be wrong nuhh ahh.

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
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