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  • Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     OP - October 11, 2010, 03:27 PM
    Question: Why are more black people in UK prisons?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/oct/11/black-prison-population-increase-england

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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #1 - October 11, 2010, 03:37 PM
    I'd love Arab-Wannabe's expert opinion on this matter.  Smiley
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #2 - October 11, 2010, 03:40 PM
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    Muslims now make up 12% of the prison population in England and Wales.


    Quote
    "There was never a serious examination of the consequences of locking up a generation of young black men. The result is there are some prisons in the south east which are now virtually all black. Many are converting to Islam."

  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #3 - October 11, 2010, 03:47 PM
     Cheesy

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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #4 - October 11, 2010, 05:24 PM
    One claim is that the services (education and police) are harder on them, however, I don't believe that is the primary reason for so many black men being in prison.

    Perhaps (just guessing), black culture IN REGARDS TO the hiphop and 'gangsta' culture Roll Eyes ) is simply retarded and fails to produce anything but ridiculous movie-scene impracticalities which are glamorized in hollywood, such as punching and rapping your way to success in a car park and carrying a gun?


    I assume that young black men are brainwashed into thinking that acting out what a hiphop star says (but doesn't actually do) and carrying guns like black movie stars (who don't in real life)  is a good way to get success;
    Essentially someone replicating 'jackass'  for the fun of it , but to a much more law breaking standard;
    A parody-esque version of a character that doesn't actually exist.
    (and who would immediately end up in prison if the character was real....like the black guys who copy it)

    In conclusion: alot of black men are just f*cking idiots..
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #5 - October 11, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Have you tried asking DH?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #6 - October 11, 2010, 06:50 PM
    Well i would guess, less education/money amongst black.
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #7 - October 11, 2010, 06:51 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on October 11, 2010, 06:40 PM
    Have you tried asking DH?


    LOL
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #8 - October 11, 2010, 07:17 PM
    Quote from: tabun on October 11, 2010, 06:50 PM
    Well i would guess, less education/money amongst black.


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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #9 - October 11, 2010, 07:20 PM
    But other immigrants often come from deprived cultures and their incarceration rate is below the average (e.g. hindus).

    A few people have mentioned this already - so why is there a "gangsta" culture amongst blacks?
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #10 - October 11, 2010, 07:27 PM
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #11 - October 11, 2010, 07:29 PM
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    Lyon said that although there had been "numerous efforts to address racism in the prison system … we have yet to get a better relationship between justice authorities and black communities. Instead we have ended up with mistrust breeding mistrust."


    Yeah true, distrust is very high in the black community of authority. Not only in UK I'd argue but in many Western countries incl. US

    I'm sceptical the hip hop culture really plays a big role compared to things like education and wealth.
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #12 - October 11, 2010, 07:30 PM
    I think its a circular cause.


    Some black people aren't intelligent, they see characters who are ultra-cool and rich and got there by 'bein a boy from da hood' and 'killin nigga's wiv a 5.0 and droppin some dope rhymes,word to ya mother'

    So they copy it, based on the notion that it leads to the success they can't gain any other way and its 'cool', and I suppose by default that , if being 'cool' is carrying a gun and riding wiv big rims and jeans too ya kneez, then carrying a book and wearing a suit must be the opposite...?


    Chris rock goes off on alot of tangets about this alot and about how 'the white man was POWER'....maybe the white man has 'power' because the white man knows 2fast2furious is just a movie....?


  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #13 - October 11, 2010, 07:36 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 07:30 PM
    I think its a circular cause.


    Some black people aren't intelligent, they see characters who are ultra-cool and rich and got there by 'bein a boy from da hood' and 'killin nigga's wiv a 5.0 and droppin some dope rhymes,word to ya mother'

    So they copy it, based on the notion that it leads to the success they can't gain any other way and its 'cool', and I suppose by default that , if being 'cool' is carrying a gun and riding wiv big rims and jeans too ya kneez, then carrying a book and wearing a suit must be the opposite...?


    Chris rock goes off on alot of tangets about this alot and about how 'the white man was POWER'....maybe the white man has 'power' because the white man knows 2fast2furious is just a movie....?


    I think that is just bullshit and all just based on stereotypes. That a TV screen has made it "cool" to commit crime. In many cases it is factors which lead to criminal activity whether it is lack of money (due to many being in poor households) or a drug dependency and a lack of education to fund it legitimately leading them to be vulnerable to being in a gang. Not to mention the fucking postcode wars ....   finmad
    When they are incarcerated after being charged. The system fails to educate them to help break the cycle so when they leave. No one would hire a criminal, homeless and/or drug dependency comes back which leads to. Shock and horror, crime again  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #14 - October 11, 2010, 07:41 PM
    Do you deny any connection between the consistent hollywood/music industry role of black men being 'cool and rich' for speaking in a ridiculous way, wearing mass bling , carrying a gun and breaking the law , and a consistent gang system of speaking in a ridiculous way, wearing mass bling , carrying a gun and breaking the law?

    I've met many of these so called 'misunderstood' youths in my time (Im still young myself), I cant help but see a direct comparison between any B grade hiphop/movie stars portrayed actions on screen and these morons actions in real life.

    It's one big television set, only on this set, you get your ass kicked by the police...
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #15 - October 11, 2010, 07:43 PM
    I think it has a role in particular in US but to suggest it plays a significant role in causing criminal activity amongst the British black youth is misguided when there are so many other factors which I would argue are the main causes of this.

    Even if you could get rid of the culture, I doubt it would solve anything anyway. Just stereotypes that this is causing crime. Many commit crime for reasons outside of "I want to wear bling"  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #16 - October 11, 2010, 07:45 PM
    Edit: Never mind, I can add it to the other post.
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #17 - October 11, 2010, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 07:30 PM
    I think its a circular cause.

    Some black people aren't intelligent, they see characters who are ultra-cool and rich and got there by 'bein a boy from da hood' and 'killin nigga's wiv a 5.0 and droppin some dope rhymes,word to ya mother'

    So they copy it, based on the notion that it leads to the success they can't gain any other way and its 'cool', and I suppose by default that , if being 'cool' is carrying a gun and riding wiv big rims and jeans too ya kneez, then carrying a book and wearing a suit must be the opposite...?

    Chris rock goes off on alot of tangets about this alot and about how 'the white man was POWER'....maybe the white man has 'power' because the white man knows 2fast2furious is just a movie....?


    What have you done with mighty_cats?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #18 - October 11, 2010, 07:48 PM
    Quote from: Loki on October 11, 2010, 07:43 PM
    Many commit crime for a reasons outside of "I want to wear bling"  Roll Eyes


    yes because many people are foolish idiots who know that what they're doing is wrong.
    Am i supposed to feel sorrow for the poor little pathetic bastard who knowingly did something wrong and has to face the repercussions?
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #19 - October 11, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on October 11, 2010, 07:47 PM
    What have you done with mighty_cats?


    Mighty cats is a person who has had a childhood of the same standards that many of the black kids in question have had...yet I didn't choose to act like the fool, put myself into such a retarded situation, get what I deserved, then complained that the system was the problem.
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #20 - October 11, 2010, 07:51 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 07:48 PM
    yes because many people are foolish idiots who know that what they're doing is wrong.
    Am i supposed to feel sorrow for the poor little pathetic bastard who knowingly did something wrong and has to face the repercussions?


    I don't frankly give a shit what you feel.
    So ... you have nothing else of value to add to this discussion other than the helpful comments over "bling"?  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #21 - October 11, 2010, 07:52 PM
    I have plenty more to add to the conversation beyond apologetics and being an enabler for people who are simply trouble makers because they are and look for excuses to do it...unlike some...

    you broke the law purposely and now you are outcasted? there there..its the system thats the problem.. Roll Eyes
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #22 - October 11, 2010, 07:53 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 07:52 PM
    I have plenty more to add to the conversation beyond apologetics for people who are simply trouble makers because they are...unlike some...


    Who is excusing/apologising for crime/criminals?
    You have little to add to this conversation if your previous posts are any indication  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #23 - October 11, 2010, 07:56 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Mighty cats is a person who has had a childhood of the same standards that many of the black kids in question have had...yet I didn't choose to act like the fool, put myself into such a retarded situation, get what I deserved, then complained that the system was the problem.


    So let me just understand this: you're saying that black people are more inclined to act like fools, put themselves in retarded situations, get what they deserve, then complain that the system is the problem?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #24 - October 11, 2010, 07:57 PM
    "When they are incarcerated after being charged. The system fails to educate them to help break the cycle so when they leave. No one would hire a criminal, homeless and/or drug dependency comes back which leads to. Shock and horror, crime again "


    When they get incarcerated.....often after purposely putting themselves in there, by knowing full well what will happen because of their actions

    The system fails to educate them to help break the cycle......a cycle which THEY put themselves in, unlike many other groups...an education which they rejected

    You start off your argument as an apologetics for peoples behavior...ignoring the fact that some of these people start the fucking cycle Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #25 - October 11, 2010, 07:59 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 07:57 PM
    You start off your argument as an apologetics for peoples behavior...ignoring the fact that some of these people start the fucking cycle


    Some yes, but I doubt every single one ask for it  Roll Eyes
    Oh fucking please, they all start the cycle and are to blame for everything. Take that bullshit elsewhere LOL
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #26 - October 11, 2010, 08:01 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on October 11, 2010, 07:56 PM
    So let me just understand this: you're saying that black people are more inclined to act like fools, put themselves in retarded situations, get what they deserve, then complain that the system is the problem?


    Im saying that black culture in certain places is more inclined to glamorize and deaden the reality of the situation that carrying guns, joining gangs, drug dealing and shooting people will get your ass put in jail.....then people come along and claim that the response to their actions (jail) is causing the problem...when the problem started long before, and started with them. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


    and im not saying all fucking people, im saying some people are the problem , SOME
    so keep your bullshit strawmen to yourself.  Roll Eyes.
  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #27 - October 11, 2010, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 08:01 PM
    Im saying that black culture in certain places is more inclined to glamorize and deaden the reality of the situation that carrying guns, joining gangs, drug dealing and shooting people will get your ass put in jail.....then people come along and claim that the response to their actions is causing the problem...when the problem started long before, and started with them. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


    LOL
    "in certain places"
    That's a nice change from:

    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 05:24 PM
    Perhaps (just guessing), black culture (and possibly the hiphop and 'gangsta' culture Roll Eyes ) is simply retarded


    Fucking stick to one thing
    Is black culture retarded or is it just "certain places".
    Oh and WTF is "black culture". I'm curious. Is there some sort of text book dictionary definition I'm unaware of.

    I was right, you do have nothing to add to this discussion apart from whining about how all black people deserve it and "bling".
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  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #28 - October 11, 2010, 08:05 PM
    LOLOL

    all you have to ANY argument is the harping on one single word I used and how the system is the problem and not the person who puts themselves there.

    pathetic  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

    come back when you're ready to grow up and stop acting like a child.

  • Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
     Reply #29 - October 11, 2010, 08:05 PM
    Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 08:01 PM
    Im saying that black culture in certain places is more inclined to glamorize and deaden the reality of the situation that carrying guns, joining gangs, drug dealing and shooting people will get your ass put in jail.....then people come along and claim that the response to their actions (jail) is causing the problem...when the problem started long before, and started with them. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


    and im not saying all fucking people, im saying some people are the problem , SOME
    so keep your bullshit strawmen to yourself.  Roll Eyes.

    So your conclusion would be...? Is that a yes to my question?

    Also, chill the fuck out. Who the fuck do you think you are talking to?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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