Question: Why are more black people in prisons?

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #60 - October 11, 2010, 08:44 PM

mighty_cats

Chalk it down to a poor choice of words then. Think about it. This is a subject that you have be specific about, and choose your words accurately. Seriously, being reductive about 'black culture' like that doesn't help.

Maybe its best to just drop it.

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #61 - October 11, 2010, 08:45 PM

<3 The Roots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS88jxG1CJo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgUTLQdcC_o

*mass crime spree ensues*

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #62 - October 11, 2010, 08:45 PM

I didn't make a blanket statement (atleast not on purpose) I was specifically in regards to that particular grouping inwhich you misunderstood.

I will apologize for nothing of the sort and especially because you mis understood and made a tangent over it and antagonized me more and more for attempting to explain what you failed to realize and a rejection of the obvious fact that I didn't mean what you originally thought, 20 times in a row.

ok and the poster wasnt you, I apologize for that (SEE)......(and again, you use the to antagonize, is that just how you are?)
(Rhetorical question)

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #63 - October 11, 2010, 08:46 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on October 11, 2010, 08:39 PM
ALL HIPHOP IS ABOUT GANGSTERS AND IS MADE BY BLACK PEOPLE.

Bob Marley too. He shot a sheriff and everything. I bet he was watching that hippity hop on TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmhyc_QynE

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #64 - October 11, 2010, 08:48 PM

Quote from: GodIsNotGreat on October 11, 2010, 08:45 PM
<3 The Roots

So do I

But stop listening to it.
YOU'LL BECOME A CRIMINAL :O

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #65 - October 11, 2010, 08:49 PM

What about that Jazz? Has killed more people that cigarettes, alcohol and firearms.

Listen to this evil shit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6WwuxqXPOg

I just wanna jump in a 6'4 Impala and spray a whole block up.
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #66 - October 11, 2010, 08:50 PM

Quote from: Loki on October 11, 2010, 08:48 PM
So do I

But stop listening to it.
YOU'LL BECOME A CRIMINAL :O

Even this song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zlr-FLGu4g
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #67 - October 11, 2010, 08:51 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 08:45 PM
ok and the poster wasnt you, I apologize (SEE)......(and again, you use the to antagonize, is that just how you are?)
(Rhetorical question)

I know but I'm still gonna answer it. I'm lovely to everyone else. Ask 'em

Any misunderstanding caused was done because you were not specific enough from the off set. Treat this as a learning curve for any other race related topics. Don't make blanket statements and expect people to know what you are thinking

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #68 - October 11, 2010, 08:54 PM

Fair enough.

and any further misunderstanding was caused by your antagonizing and constant arguing (and more antagonizing) when ever I tried to rectify the issue which could have prevented all of this

Please just calmly ask if a statement doesn't sound right.
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #69 - October 11, 2010, 08:54 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats on October 11, 2010, 08:40 PM
(especially loved the big' racist' poster aswell, very nice)

Yeah, my bad. I made the mistake of thinking you meant black people's cultures are retarded when you said "these black peoples cultures are retarded"

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #70 - October 11, 2010, 08:55 PM

Quote from: BlackDog on October 11, 2010, 08:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zlr-FLGu4g

I love this song, it's just so awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJo9uSTpxLY

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #71 - October 11, 2010, 08:56 PM

Black People can't make their own minds up. Songs make them want to kill people. Their brains are wired like that. As soon as they hear and see another black man talk about guns, they want to rob and kill and do drugs and call women bitches.

Like when kids play GTA and shoot up a whole school. EVIL GAMES!!!!!!!!

I grew up with this music and it made me a good kid. Not like my friends who are now criminals and bums. Even though we grew up in the same area. You now why because I knew better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ0_HYuR_fk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutWuza9aDM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzvL4O3uomg

Now that I am educated and well-paid I can enjoy these songs And GTA!
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #72 - October 12, 2010, 12:56 AM

There is another arguement put forward as to what else may be a contributing factor. I think it was Trevor Philips of the CRE who gave figures for the number of black ( think it was specific to Afro-Carribean ) families without fathers. He said the fact that lots of young black kids had been brought up with none or little postive male role-models in their lives contributed massively to bad choices made later on in life.
Make of it what you will ,personally I think he talks sense, and he seemed to have the figures to back it up.
Another aspect of course is still institutional racism, not overt as in the 'old days' but that judge would be more likely to give a custodial sentence to a afro-wherever black man ,whilst he may be inclined to give another race the benefit of the doubt in the same circumstances.
However the numbers are so high, that simply crying racism would not explain away other tangible underlying problems. Social, cultural, economic etc. If it was a simple race issue then whitey should just be locking up any brown or yellow or black skinned person, but this is a particular racial section in question here, other races do not have this problem, I think the solution to it lies withing asking why is that the case.

According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #73 - October 12, 2010, 01:10 AM

@BD

I hate u You are black ewwwwwwww .

I love your brother he is brown .

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #74 - October 12, 2010, 01:22 AM

I don't think it's got anything at all to do with "racial prejudice" as the article said some politicians said. If this were the case then you would have a lot of Indians in jail too, I'm sure, but they're very successfully integrated. I don't like this idea that if a community has problems with crime or integration... then it can only be our problem because we're all evil.

I think it probably has to do with socio-economic (fuck, did I use that word right) aspects... Same as anywhere. People grow up in poor areas that perhaps become ghettoized, and the people there don't integrate and turn to crime... it honestly wouldn't surprise me if this is the case. The one way to reverse the process is education, but why other communities like the Indians and the Chinese can integrate so successfully makes me wonder why other communities fail to do so.
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #75 - October 12, 2010, 11:33 AM

I would like to see any data regarding the breakdown between British men of West Indian and African descent in this issue. My sense is that there could be a difference between them. Issues of rates of absent fathers, more stable family structures in the African British community may point towards an understanding of this, if that is the case.

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #76 - October 12, 2010, 11:34 AM

I do think though that the reasons are multi-faceted.

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #77 - October 12, 2010, 11:42 AM

It's easy, i think. Blacks were moreoften poor immigrants, who did not have the same education level as the normal whites, that as in many countries of the world. Some guys then think, it would have something to do with a suggested "race" ... But it's a normal socio-cultural factor. That is also the reason, why poor people groups are more likely to be religious and are so more likely to be in prison .

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #78 - October 12, 2010, 11:48 AM

The Muslim thing could also be for the benefits of being in a gang and for prison benefits (like halal food, I'm guessing better food) also Friday prayer etc. I'm sure some of the conversions are sincere. Just saying.
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #79 - October 12, 2010, 11:49 AM

Mardas, many other immigrant groups who came from poor backgrounds, neither they or their descendants have the same prison rates. Plus, the rate is out of proportion to their population, that is the whole point.

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #80 - October 12, 2010, 11:50 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on October 12, 2010, 11:48 AM
The Muslim thing could also be for the benefits of being in a gang and for prison benefits (like halal food, I'm guessing better food) also Friday prayer etc. I'm sure some of the conversions are sincere. Just saying.

Special priveliges in prison, plus a channeling of anger and male frustration towards the kuffar is a narrative that appeals.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #81 - October 12, 2010, 01:06 PM

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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #82 - October 12, 2010, 08:01 PM

can someone quote studies that control for socio economic status? if this still holds strongly controlling for SES, there are cultural and possibly genetic factors involved. i dunno.
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Re: Question: Why are more black people in prisons?
Reply #83 - October 14, 2010, 11:36 PM

Do you think maybe more black criminals get caught because black people are more thoroughly policed, eg, more likely to be stopped and searched? I'd like to see a study controlled for the factors of SES and the majority ethnicity of the population.

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