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Re: French Pass Law To Strip Foreign-Born Criminals of Citizenship
Reply #90 - October 16, 2010, 03:24 AM

The Paris Commune was an awesome French Revolution but it was not THE fRench Revolution.

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Reply #91 - October 16, 2010, 03:25 AM

Quote from: sojournerlumus on October 15, 2010, 09:11 PM
We're talking about European law ultimately, so if the French decide to relocate them back to wherever their patrinatal (new word) European country is, if they've arrived under EU auspices, then I can't see that they are breaking any law or cross-border agreement, whether moral or otherwise. Why should any country have to import trouble from elsewhere? Any country that chooses to confer nationality should surely have the right, under specified conditions, to revoke that decision. It should be done in proven, individual cases only.
The problem with these new French regs is that they are racially/ethnically discriminatory. We (including the French)prevented the Serbs from deporting 900,000 people of Albanian ethnic origin from Kosovo into Montenegro and we should sanction the French for pulling the same stunt.

The fact is that under EU directive EU citizens do not need citizenship to settle in an EU country in fact border between France and its neighbourg I have been told are now unexistant...

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Reply #92 - October 16, 2010, 03:28 AM

Quote from: Rev. Winton Dupree on October 16, 2010, 03:24 AM
The Paris Commune was an awesome French Revolution but it was not THE fRench Revolution.

Yes but it was the revolution which had the most lasting effect concerning right of workers and right of women and it was animated by a complete different spirit it was the real worker revolution unlike the 1789 one which was organised at the beginning by traders and shop keeper (Les bourgeois who wanted more political power) against the Monarchy and the Church.

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Reply #93 - October 16, 2010, 03:32 AM

What kind of Christian are you exactly?

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Reply #94 - October 16, 2010, 03:40 AM

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What kind of Christian are you exactly?

Who me ??
I am a Christian by default
The Gospel is the most socialist humanist book ever.
What people do with or without it to secure power is another matter...
and I am not talking about the Old testament!

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Reply #95 - October 16, 2010, 03:44 AM

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Reply #96 - October 16, 2010, 03:51 AM

Quote from: STARSW on October 16, 2010, 03:40 AM
Who me ??
I am a Christian by default
The Gospel is the most socialist humanist book ever.
What people do with or without it to secure power is another matter...
and I am not talking about the Old testament!

Interesting. I'm hoping we can talk more about this when I'm not ridicouslu drunk and getting ready to pass out.

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Reply #97 - October 16, 2010, 04:42 AM

And after I can get some sleep here it is 5am I am sober and still awake wondering why Gods won't help me get some sleep.

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Reply #98 - October 16, 2010, 04:55 AM

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Reply #99 - October 16, 2010, 05:12 AM

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Very cute video. Thanks for sharing. I might put up some videos of my own. Do you want me semi-clothed or nekkid?
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Reply #100 - October 16, 2010, 05:22 AM

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@Isabel

Very cute video. Thanks for sharing. I might put up some videos of my own. Do you want me semi-clothed or nekkid?

nekkid. Don't put any videos up right now because I am going to bed. Goodnight
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Reply #101 - October 16, 2010, 06:18 AM

Quote from: STARSW on October 16, 2010, 03:19 AM
1848 revolution against the monarchy and the rising of Napoleon Bonaparte who become president of the new republic.
1857 coup d'etat by Napoleon who will crown himself emperor.

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Napoleon Bonaparte (French: Napoléon Bonaparte French pronunciation: [napoleɔ̃ bɔnɑpaʁt], Italian: Napoleone di Buonaparte; 15 August 1769 – 5 May 1821)

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Napoleon crowned himself Emperor Napoleon I on 2 December 1804 at Notre Dame de Paris

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Reply #102 - October 16, 2010, 09:20 AM

Quote from: STARSW on October 16, 2010, 04:42 AM
And after I can get some sleep here it is 5am I am sober and still awake wondering why Gods won't help me get some sleep.

Try going to bed.

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Reply #103 - October 16, 2010, 09:33 AM

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The fact is that under EU directive EU citizens do not need citizenship to settle in an EU country in fact border between France and its neighbourg I have been told are now unexistant...

That's what I mean by EU auspices. But the facts remain that despite the EU assembly, each country still has it's own sovereign parliament that helps make EU law and then adopts it in one of two ways: either, if their law-making system is Monistic (eg Holland), EU law is incorporated unchanged OR if their LMS is Dualistic (eg UK), the EU version can be modified before ratification. Sometimes it takes a few years before a new EU directive is ratified by individual dualist states if opposition to it is strong and it has to undergo several rounds of internal consultation and compromise.

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Reply #104 - October 16, 2010, 03:56 PM

Quote from: Paloma on October 16, 2010, 06:18 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_I

Pretty sure she meant Napoleon III

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Reply #105 - October 18, 2010, 12:36 AM

Quote from: Paloma on October 16, 2010, 06:18 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_I

I was talking about Napoleon III

Napoleon III Emperor of the French (Louis Napoleon Bonaparte) (1808-73). Napoleon III was born Charles Louis Napoleon Bonaparte, son of the great Napoleon's brother Louis, King of Holland, and Josephine's daughter, Hortense Beauharnais.
The deaths of his brother and Napoleon's son left him Bonapartist pretender to the French throne. He tried to subvert the garrisons of Strasbourg in 1836 and Boulogne in 1840. Imprisoned after the latter venture, he escaped in 1846 and returned to France after the 1848 Revolution, being first elected to the Assembly and then, in December, becoming president of the Second Republic.

He made himself dictator after a coup d'etat in 1851 and then French emperor of the second republic he acquired power through important people support and then converted the republic into second empire and became the emperor of the second republic.
He commanded the army which fought the Italian campaign the following year and won the victories of Magenta and Solferino. He made peace at Villafranca sooner than the Italians wished, obtaining Nice and Savoy for France.

After the losing the 1870 war his empire collapse and he was exiled died in England in 1873.
He had a son, the Prince Imperial, who accompanied British forces to the Zulu war of 1879 and was killed in action.
This was the end of the Napoleon dynasty.

Napoleon II son of Napoleon I never made it to power he was Given the Austrian title of duke of Reichstadt and died of Tuberculosis.

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Reply #106 - October 18, 2010, 12:51 AM

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Pretty sure she meant Napoleon III

Yes in fact

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Reply #107 - October 18, 2010, 12:56 AM

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That's what I mean by EU auspices. But the facts remain that despite the EU assembly, each country still has it's own sovereign parliament that helps make EU law and then adopts it in one of two ways: either, if their law-making system is Monistic (eg Holland), EU law is incorporated unchanged OR if their LMS is Dualistic (eg UK), the EU version can be modified before ratification. Sometimes it takes a few years before a new EU directive is ratified by individual dualist states if opposition to it is strong and it has to undergo several rounds of internal consultation and compromise.

Yes absolutely right countries have always the possibilities to opt out certain law and choices (like the UK with the Euro) most EU governments do not make referendum because of the lack of popular support by their people.

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