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 Topic: Nutty fatwa of the day

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  • Nutty fatwa of the day
     OP - October 27, 2010, 12:40 AM

    Found this little gem on IslamQA:

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    Doubts about some Islamic teachings, from a female Muslim student

    This is really weird for me because I'm fifteen years old and a girl living in England sometimes things just get so confusing for me. I don't know what to do because slowly I think I'm losing my faith in Islam, but not in God, in Islam. I think the main reason is how sexist the people are. I mean, a boy can do anything and no one will say anything but a girl, if she goes out alone or something, then she's going to hell. I find it so unfair I get so angry just at the thought of it. I mean, why do people say that Islam is the greatest religion on Earth if it's so unfair and cruel?
    I mean, some Muslims seem to think it's okay to marry off a fifteen year old girl to some thirty year old man she's never met before, why is that okay?
    And why is it okay for a boy to go out and get so drunk he can't walk properly and sleep with a million different girls?
    Why is it that when a Muslims girl strikes out on her own and wants to do something with her life she can't because Islam is holding her back?
    Why is it not okay for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man when she's fallen in love with him but it's perfectly fine for a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim lady?
    Why do the men get to chose who they want to marry but sometimes the woman gets to say in it at all?[/left][/center]
    Why is it so unfair?
    I'm so sorry for going on and on for ages, I just really need your help and I don't even know who you are but I don't want to lose my faith and become a non-believer and for me to not lose my faith is for my questions to be answered. I was wondering if you have the time to email me personally and just help through this?
    Please, please, please get back to me.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Firstly:

    There are some preliminaries that we should talk to you about, and we hope that you will pay attention to what we say to you:

    1.

    We recognize that you are living in a country that is permissive in moral terms, in which things are allowed that are forbidden in Islam, and things have reached a state where they -- both males and females -- ride bicycles in the street in front of people when they are virtually naked. People are undoubtedly affected by their environment, hence there is a stern warning against settling among the mushrikeen and those who are morally bankrupt. We think that if you were living in a decent, conservative environment, you would not be feeling this way.

    2.

    We are sorry to see that in your question that you went beyond asking questions in seeking to understand, to the extent of impugning the laws and wisdom of Allah, and differentiating between faith in Allah, may He be exalted, and the laws of Islam. The laws of Islam came from Allah in the first place; they come from Him and from nowhere else. So it is better to phrase such objections in the form of questions that are aimed at removing doubt, and not in this style or form.

    3.

    You have mixed up the rulings of Islam and the actions of Muslims. The laws of Islam are pure and were prescribed by Allah, may He be exalted, to set straight the affairs of people and countries. Whatever the Muslims do that is contrary to the laws of their Lord can only be attributed to them, not to their religion. The religion of Allah does not permit males to drink alcohol or to make friends with non-mahram women or to commit zina (fornication or adultery). How can you attribute these evil deeds and major sins that are committed by the misguided youth to the laws of Allah, and claim that He permits that to them [males] and forbids them to females? You are mistaken and confused. You have made a mistake by attributing their actions to Islam and you are confused in your belief that these actions are permissible for males and not females.
     


    More here.


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  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #1 - October 27, 2010, 12:44 AM

    ohhh dude, just, number 2, c'moon, you want a 15 year old to listen to you with that sort of reasoning Huh? whistling2

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  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #2 - October 27, 2010, 12:47 AM

    Poor girl. Their response is exactly what you would expect a Muslim to give, and exactly what she didn't need or want.

    And it's all because both men and women ride on their bicycles naked! mysmilie_977

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  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #3 - October 27, 2010, 03:31 AM

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    both men and women ride on their bicycles naked!


     Shocked Grin rofl I think we should have a competition for comical fatwas! This one would rank very high on the list of probables to win the 'Fatwa World Championship'.



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  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #4 - October 27, 2010, 03:38 AM

    Jesus Christ, do some of these imams have to exaggerate to the extreme? For fucks sake, when was the last time any one of you guys saw a cyclist fully naked? Unbelievable how so many Muslims consider the sheikhs on Islam QA as people of "knowledge"

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  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #5 - October 27, 2010, 03:59 AM

    Jesus Christ, do some of these imams have to exaggerate to the extreme? For fucks sake, when was the last time any one of you guys saw a cyclist fully naked? Unbelievable how so many Muslims consider the sheikhs on Islam QA as people of "knowledge"


    That's a standard trick of their trade! The great Quran dishes confusing metaphors,these people handle the hyperboles. The poor follower is zapped and in the bewilderment dawns compliance of the rulings!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #6 - October 27, 2010, 04:15 AM

    Why do these guys have a dirty creativity that I can't even imagine having?  When I see a woman cyclist I think " Wow she is hauling, she must be getting ready for a meet!" I would have never thought, " Wow that woman is almost naked!" When I watch a triathlon I see a sporting event not an orgy. 


    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #7 - October 27, 2010, 11:22 AM

    So in essence it was like talking to a fucking brick wall.
    Is it at all possible that he intentionally used that tone so that people will think he was all righteous? I mean even though I doubt that anyone will be mislead to believe that was appropriate, there is a target audiance who'll  cheer him for being ...stupid strict?
    *What kind of basket case brings up chopping hands in a letter to a normal teenager?!

    Any bets on when the girl in question registers here?
  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #8 - October 27, 2010, 11:35 AM

    Why do these guys have a dirty creativity that I can't even imagine having?


    It reminds me of something Stephen Fry said about the Catholic Church:

    “It’s the strange thing about this church, it’s obsessed with sex. Absolutely obsessed. Now they will say: ‘We with our permissive society and rude jokes are obsessed.’ No. We have a healthy attitude to it. We like it, its fun, its jolly. Because it’s a primary impulse, it can be dangerous and dark and difficult - it’s a bit like food in that respect, only even more exciting. The only people who are obsessed with food are anorexics and the morbidly obese. And that, in erotic terms, is the Catholic Church in a nutshell.”

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    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #9 - October 27, 2010, 12:07 PM

    Stephen Fry is a beautiful, beautiful man.

    The only argument that held water was this:

    Quote
    3.

    You have mixed up the rulings of Islam and the actions of Muslims. The laws of Islam are pure and were prescribed by Allah, may He be exalted, to set straight the affairs of people and countries. Whatever the Muslims do that is contrary to the laws of their Lord can only be attributed to them, not to their religion. The religion of Allah does not permit males to drink alcohol or to make friends with non-mahram women or to commit zina (fornication or adultery). How can you attribute these evil deeds and major sins that are committed by the misguided youth to the laws of Allah, and claim that He permits that to them [males] and forbids them to females? You are mistaken and confused. You have made a mistake by attributing their actions to Islam and you are confused in your belief that these actions are permissible for males and not females.


    But why word it like that? The girl is obviously frustrated and she is 15, that tone won't help.

    And lol at the second answer, yeah, ask your questions so they remove doubts and not increase them. Yeah buddy I tried that for many years it just became an impossible juggling act in the end.
  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #10 - October 27, 2010, 01:17 PM

    the fatwa-mullah is a fucking chutya

    'I will not serve that in which I no longer believe, whether it call itself my home, my fatherland, or my church: and I will try to express myself in some mode of life or art as freely and as wholly as I can, using for my defence the only arms I allow myself to use: silence, exile and cunning.'
  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #11 - October 27, 2010, 01:58 PM

    I don't know if i should laugh or cry from the answers they gave....

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #12 - October 27, 2010, 06:20 PM

    the fatwa-mullah is a fucking chutya

     Cheesy lol the translation is

    the fatwa mullah is a fucking fucker.

    but yea i agree a total Harami

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #13 - October 27, 2010, 06:24 PM

    Ahhh, the good times. There was always a readymade answer for everything.
  • Re: Nutty fatwa of the day
     Reply #14 - October 29, 2010, 03:59 PM

    she's probably worse now , since doubting islam at first kinda lead to a shame spiral
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