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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #30 - October 28, 2010, 06:53 PM

    Moh had long hairs. Although the male members of his ummat are not allowed to have long hairs, but my Islamiaat teacher gave me the explanation that he used to take care of his hairs well.

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
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     Reply #32 - October 28, 2010, 07:04 PM

    lol.. Good one..

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #33 - October 28, 2010, 07:12 PM

     Cheesy

    I remember back in College, the head of the ISOC was doing the khutba and was describing how beautiful the prophet was. The guy sounded like he was creaming his pants. It was really uncomfortable to listen to, reaching levels of homoeroticism that I didn't know brothers were capable of.


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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #34 - October 28, 2010, 07:28 PM

    grin12


    Here we can have our own Mo-Smiley! IsLame just for you! With the teeth gap grin12

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #35 - October 28, 2010, 07:31 PM

    Cheesy

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #36 - October 28, 2010, 07:38 PM

     Cheesy

    That's awesome RIBS!

  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #37 - October 28, 2010, 07:44 PM

    yep, he's got a creative mind

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #38 - October 28, 2010, 08:56 PM

    Quote
    Osherow reports the following story, written by Jeannie Mills, in which Jim
    Jones performs the miracle of multiplying the food:

    There were more people than usual at the Sunday service, and for some reason
    the church members hadn‘t brought enough food to feed everyone. It became
    apparent that the last fifty people in line weren‘t going to get any meat. Jim
    announced, ‗Even though there isn‘t enough food to feed this multitude, I am
    blessing the food that we have and multiplying it just as Jesus did in Biblical times.‘
    Sure enough, a few minutes after he made this startling announcement, Eva Pugh
    came out of the kitchen beaming, carrying two platters filled with fried chicken. A
    big cheer came from the people assembled in the room, especially from the people
    who were at the end of the line.

    The blessed chicken was extraordinarily delicious, and several of the people
    mentioned that Jim had produced the best-tasting chicken they had ever eaten.
    One of the men, Chuck Beikman, jokingly mentioned to a few people standing near
    him that he had seen Eva drive up a few moments earlier with buckets from the
    Kentucky Fried Chicken stand. He smiled as he said, ―The person that blessed this
    chicken was Colonel Sanders.‖

    During the evening meeting Jim mentioned the fact that Chuck had made fun of his
    gift. ―He lied to some of the members here, telling them that the chicken had come
    from a local shop,‖ Jim stormed. ―But the Spirit of Justice has prevailed. Because
    of his lie Chuck is in the men‘s room right now, wishing that he was dead. He is
    vomiting and has diarrhea so bad he can‘t talk!‖
    An hour later a pale and shaken Chuck Beikman walked out of the men‘s room and
    up to the front, being supported by one of the guards. Jim asked him, ―Do you have
    anything you‘d like to say?‖
    Chuck looked up weakly and answered, ―Jim, I apologize for what I said. Please
    forgive me.

    As we looked at Chuck, we vowed in our hearts that we would never question any
    of Jims ―miracles,‖ at least not out loud. Years later, we learned that Jim had put a
    mild poison in a piece of cake and given it to Chuck.

     

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #39 - October 28, 2010, 09:03 PM

    wha...?!  mysmilie_977

  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #40 - October 28, 2010, 09:20 PM

    This is what happened to them at the end

    Quote
    Jim Jones convinced normal decent people that he was the Messiah (of
    socialism of all things). He persuaded them to leave their families and follow him
    to his ―Medina‖ in the middle of the jungle.

    He charmed the Government of Guyana to give him 300 acres of land for free. He convinced his followers that
    they should let him sleep with their wives. He encouraged his men to carry guns
    and to kill anyone who dissented. These men became so blinded by their faith in
    him that they shot and killed a senator and his bodyguards.

    Then Jim Jones persuaded, without any resistance, his followers to drink a cyanide potion and
    commit mass suicide. Nine hundred and eleven people willingly did what he told
    them to do and died.

    They even made their children drink the poison.


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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #41 - October 28, 2010, 09:26 PM

    The stuff that you posted before sounded hilarious... like someone deliberately wrote a cheesy spoof.... I can't believe over 900 people actually fell for that.... but then, I guess most people fall for anything *face palm*

  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #42 - October 28, 2010, 09:29 PM

    Sina goes on to demonstrate how many similarities it has with Islam

    This is an excerpt from a tape recording in the book, a shocking insight into the world of religious cults & their potential..

    Excerpts from a tape, recorded as the final ritual was being enacted, reveal
    the believers, with few exceptions, voluntarily drank the poison and fed it to their
    children. The talks and assurances of Jim Jones are eerily recognizable to those
    who are familiar with the Qur‘an. A woman protests, but the crowd silences her
    and everyone expresses their readiness to die.

    The following is the transcript of the tape recording (available on Youtube).
    It is shocking, while it reveals the nature of blind faith.

    Jim Jones: I‘ve tried my best to give you a good life. In spite of all I‘ve tried, a handful
    of people, with their lies, have made our life impossible. If we can‘t live in peace then
    let‘s die in peace. (Applause) We have been so terribly betrayed What‘s going to
    happen here in the matter of a few minutes is that one of the people on that plane is
    going to shoot the pilot - I know that. I didn‘t plan it, but I know its going to happen So
    my opinion is that you used to in ancient Greece, and step over quietly, because we are
    not committing suicide-it‘s a revolutionary act We can‘t go back
    First Woman: I feel like that as there‘s life; there‘s hope.
    Jones: Well, someday everybody dies.
    Crowd: That‘s right, that‘s right!

    Jones: What those people gone and done, and what they get through will make our
    lives worse than hell... But to me, death is not a fearful thing. It‘s living that‘s cursed. Not
    worth living like this.
    First Woman: But I‘m afraid to die.
    Jones: I don‘t think you are. I don‘t think you are.
    First Woman: I think there were too few who left for 1,200 people to give them their
    lives for those people who left... I look at all the babies and I think they deserve to live.
    Jones: But don‘t they deserve much more? They deserve peace. The best testimony
    we can give is to leave this goddam world. (Applause)
    First Man: It‘s over, sister... We‘ve made a beautiful day. (Applause)
    Second Man: If
    you tell us we have to give our lives now, we‘re ready. (Applause) [Baltimore Sun, 1979]

    Above the cries of babies wailing, the tape continues, with Jones insisting
    upon the need for suicide and urging the people to complete the act:

    Jones: Please get some medication. Simple! It‘s simple There‘s no convulsions with it...
    Don‘t be afraid to die. You‘ll see people land out here. They‘ll torture our people...
    Second Woman: There‘s nothing to worry about. Everybody keep calm and try to keep
    your children calm... They‘re not crying from pain; it‘s just a little bitter tasting...
    Third Woman: This is nothing to cry about. This is something we could all rejoice
    about. (Applause)
    Jones: Please, for God‘s sake, let‘s get on with it... This is a revolutionary suicide. This
    is not a self-destructive suicide. (Voices praising, "Dad." Applause)
    Third Man: Dad has brought us this far. My vote is to go with Dad...
    Jones: We must die with dignity. Hurry, hurry, hurry! We must hurry... Stop this
    hysterics. Death is a million times more preferable to spending more days in this life... If
    you knew what was ahead, you‘d be glad to be stepping over tonight...
    Fourth Woman: It‘s been a pleasure walking with all of you in this revolutionary
    struggle... No other way I would rather go than to give my life for socialism,
    Communism, and I thank Dad very much.
    Jones: Take our life from us... We didn‘t commit suicide. We committed an act of
    revolutionary suicide protesting against the conditions of an inhuman world.

    THE END

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #43 - October 28, 2010, 09:31 PM

    I cant believe the tape is availble on youtube - and no, I am not going to listen to it  Chicken

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #44 - October 28, 2010, 09:32 PM

    I used to respect Ali Sina.

    *starts self-flagellation*
  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #45 - October 28, 2010, 09:35 PM

    Here we can have our own Mo-Smiley! IsLame just for you! With the teeth gap grin12

    Mods, any chance of including Ribs toothless Mo smiley icon to our list of smileys?

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #46 - October 28, 2010, 09:36 PM

     Cry

  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #47 - October 29, 2010, 12:58 AM

    I bought and read sinas book i was both impressed and unimpressed because he diagnoses muhammad with alot of different things, and alot of it just seems like hes stretching. There is evidence for epilepsy, it is just interesting that alot of important people in history can also be diagnosed with it. I can't help but draw a parallel picture with the bible and ezekiel.


    :1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

    1:2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity,

    1:3 The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.

    1:4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

    1:5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

    1:6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

    1:7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

    1:8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

    1:9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

    1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

    1:11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

    1:12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.

    1:13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

    1:14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

    1:15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

    1:16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

    1:17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

    1:18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

    1:19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

    1:20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

    1:21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

    1:22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

    1:23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.

    1:24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

    1:25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

    1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

    1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

    1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.




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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #48 - October 29, 2010, 06:36 AM

    Mods, any chance of including Ribs toothless Mo smiley icon to our list of smileys?


      Cheesy Can you think of a scenario where you will be using a Mo-Smiley?

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #49 - October 29, 2010, 09:18 AM

    yep. we could replace the paedo bear icon with the Mo emoticon.

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #50 - October 29, 2010, 09:34 AM

    yep. we could replace the paedo bear icon with the Mo emoticon.


    Yeah that can do, then!

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #51 - October 29, 2010, 12:10 PM

    Mods, any chance of including Ribs toothless Mo smiley icon to our list of smileys?


    here i made the background transparent...


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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #52 - October 29, 2010, 12:15 PM

    here i made the background transparent...


    I'll PM this to Os and Aziz, I think adding a smiley needs an Admin!  Afro

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #53 - October 29, 2010, 01:12 PM

    Quote
    A story is told of Abu Hudhaifa a young Meccan believer who participated
    in the battle of Badr while his father was on the opposite side, in the ranks of the
    Quraish.

    It is reported that when Muhammad instructed his followers to spare
    Abbas, his own uncle, who was also among the Quraish, Hudhaifa raised his
    voice, ―What? Are we to slay our fathers, brothers, uncles, etc., and to spare
    Abbas? No, verily, but I will slay him if I find him.‖ Upon hearing this
    impertinent remark, Omar, in his usual sycophantic gesture of loyalty, unshielded
    his sword and looked at the Prophet for his signal to behead the ill-mannered
    youth at once.

    This threat had an immediate effect. A dramatic change happened in the
    behavior of Hudhaifa and we see him after the battle, a completely subdued and
    different person. When he saw his father slain and his corpse unceremoniously
    dragged to be dumped into a well, he was overwhelmed and started crying.
    ―What?‖ asked Muhammad, ―Are you saddened for the death of your father?‖
    ―Not so, O Allâh‘s Prophet!‖ responded Hudhaifa, ―I do not doubt the justice of
    my father's fate; but I knew well his wise and generous heart, and I had trusted
    that the Lord would lead him to the faith.

    But now that I see him slain, and my hope destroyed! ---- it is for that I grieve.‖ This time Muhammad was pleased
    with his response, comforted Abu Hudhaifa, blessed him; and said, ―It is well.‖


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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #54 - October 29, 2010, 01:25 PM

    Quote
    On Feb. 13, 2007, the CBC published the results of an Environics poll.
    According to this poll, fully 12% of Canadian Muslims said the aborted terrorist
    plot – that included kidnapping and beheading the Canadian prime minister and
    blowing up the Parliament and the CBC – was justified. 12% of 700,000 Muslims
    living in Canada means 84,000 Canadian Muslims support terrorism.

    On February 25, 2007, the UK Telegraph reported that Eliza Manningham-Buller, the
    director general of MI5, warned there were more than 1,600 "identified
    individuals" actively engaged in plotting terrorist attacks.


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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #55 - October 29, 2010, 01:37 PM

    Finished the book.  In summary I found it an enteratining read but would not recommend it. 

    His conclusions tend to justify his facts, rather than the other way around.

    Its fluffed up with too much of the usual Sina rhetoric which ignores the vast majority of decent Muslims that abhor everything Sina is talking about & assumes their complicity in everything bad to do with Islam. 

    However and he has included lots of interesting facts, that could argue his position well - I have copy & pasted the best bits of the book into this thread.

    Here's the final snippet, lols @ the end bit

    Quote

    When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable'
    Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components
    under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact
    Book (2007)).

    As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they
    will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In
    fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful
    uniqueness:
    United States --1.0%; Australia --1.5%; Canada --1.9%; China --1%-2%; Italy --
    1.5%; Norway --1.8%

    At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
    disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
    Denmark --2%; Germany --3.7%; United Kingdom --2.7%; Spain --4%; Thailand -
    -4.6%

    From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
    percentage of the population.
    They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food,
    thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure
    on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves --along with threats for
    failure to comply.
    France --8%; Philippines --5%; Sweden --5%; Switzerland --4.3%; The
    Netherlands --5.5%; Trinidad &Tobago --5.8%
    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule
    themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to
    convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a
    means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-
    Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam
    -Mohammed cartoons).
    Guyana --10%; India --13.4%; Israel --16%; Kenya --10%; Russia --10-15%

    After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic
    killings and church and synagogue burning:
    Ethiopia --Muslim 32.8%

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing
    militia warfare:
    Bosnia --40%; Chad --53.1%; Lebanon --59.7%

    From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other
    religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon
    and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
    Albania --70%; Malaysia --60.4%; Qatar --77.5%; Sudan --70%

    After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

    Bangladesh --83%; Egypt --90%; Gaza --98.7%; Indonesia --86.1%; Iran --98%;
    Iraq --97%; Jordan --92%; Morocco --98.7%; Pakistan -97%; Palestine --99%;
    Syria --90%; Tajikistan --90%; Turkey --99.8% United Arab Emirates --96%
    100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' --the Islamic House of Peace --
    there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

    Afghanistan --100%; Saudi Arabia --100%; Somalia --100%; Yemen --99.9%
    Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start
    killing each other for a variety of reasons.


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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #56 - October 29, 2010, 04:15 PM

    Lol at the last bit. So true. I once saw this comic strip from a newspaper about the first war in Afghanistan, way before 9/11 and the American invaders. Two muslim mujahideens were talking, then one of them said to the other while pointing his Klashinkof AK47 at the other's chest and was about to shoot: "Now that the war has ended, I have to tell you this: Mohamed, I don't like your hat". Cheesy

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #57 - April 04, 2011, 02:15 PM

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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #58 - April 08, 2011, 02:48 PM

    I just need someone to turn him white, give him rosey cheeks & a fist length beard.

    The picture seems to have disappeared, I found our depiction of Prophet Muhammed based on hadith again so here it is anyway



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  • Re: Ali Sina's new book, 'Understanding Muhammed'
     Reply #59 - April 08, 2011, 03:06 PM

    Dear Islame, in regards to Sinas statistics I would like to differ on the Bosnian percentages. He does not include the reality of the Yugoslavian War. Bosnian Jihadis hardly exist, and Bosnia is a Secular Progressive Country. We all know Bosnian militia used Jihadis to get what they wanted.
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