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  • The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     OP - October 29, 2010, 05:33 AM

    This will take me a lot of time to translate but I think it's worth it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nME1bllQBss

    00:05-00:31     In 5 Hijri , the Arabian tribes decided to get rid of Mohammed for his attacks on the trade caravans so they sent an army of 10,000 men to Medina to fight, but Mohammed knew and dug up a trench around the city, sources say that Bany Qurayza helped in diging it up.

    00:32-00:50     And they had a fortification at the edge of the city, and because Bany Qurayza were Mohammeds allies this fortification was a barrier against the Allies (Arabian tribes). And they didn't succeed in penetrating those defenses and entering the city.

    00:51-01:15     So they laid siege for around 30 days, but never made it in.
    Hay ben Akhtab leader of Bany El Nadeer clan (which was earlier deported from Madina) came with the Allies, he tried to persuade Bany Qurayza to open their fortifications , so he sneaked to Medina and begged the leader of Bany Quryaza.

    01:16-01:59     Trying to persuade him to open up and told him that they can't trust Mohammed and he will betray them one day, and their fate will be the same to those other tribes that once lived in Medina and was thrown out.
    From Ibn Isshaq "Hay was Heard from and allowed to enter and say his mind |citation needed| ,that if Quraish (One of Arab Allies) returned and didn't strike Mohammed after granting entrance, I will join your fort and let what happens to you happen to me too".
    So Ka'ab Ebn Assad(head of Bany Qurayza clan) betrayed the agreement with Mohammed
    .

    02:00-02:28     The story reached Mohammed, so the Muslims were trying to destroy this agreement (bet the Allies and Ka'ab) , so they created a Fitna between them and the plan worked , so Ka'ab decided not to open his doors to the Allies .
    So they withdrew, and couldn't enter the Medina.

    02:28-03:25     Upon the return of Mohammed to Aisha's house, someone came to him.
    lets see who this was !!!
    In Sirat Ibn Hashim "When it was noon Gabriel came to the prophet (One a white horse) |citation needed|
    He said = Did you lay down your weapons?
    Prophet said = Yes
    Gabriel said = The Angels haven't laid their weapons yet"

    And I another version,  Allah's messenger came by some of his followers on his way to Bany Qurayza and said did anyone pass by you ?
    They said Duhaya Al Kalby on a white horse.
    Allah's messenger said that is Gabriel, allah sent him to Bany Qurayza to shake their fort and let fear into their hearts.


    03:26 So Gabriel is Duhaya !!!

    03:31-04:47       Listen to this Imam confirming that Gabriel used to descend as Duhaya.
    {Vedio}
    Translation=
    They are sometimes visualized as known people, Gabriel used to take Duhaya's form, As Aisha said when the prophet (PBUH) from the battle of the trench and when the Muslims remained at
    the trench for more than 20 nights , the prophet (PBUH) entered my house and a caller called from outside the house and said "O Apostle of Allah come out to me, come out to me".
    So the prophet did and I was looking from the door's hole , and saw Duhaya El Kalby riding a horse and the prophet standing near him, Duhaya was saying "Did you lay down your weapon?
    the angels didn't lay down their weapons, I followed Qurash till outside the borders so that they won't think of returning back and now I am heading for Bany Qurayza.
    A messenger should never put down his Armour until Allah ends the struggle between him and his enemy.
    So the Prophet entered, wore his Armour and wanted to leave, I said (Aisha) = to where?
    He said this was Gabriel, came to tell me to go out to Bany Qurayza. {End}

    04:48- 8:00        So when Mohammed consulted Duhaya, he then decided to get rid of Bany Qurayza.
    And Ibn Hashim continues by "And the Prophet besieged them for 25 nights until the wore off"
    And here is another Imam he will tell us what happened
    {Vedio} Translation=
    The Muslim Armies reigned on Bany Qurayza's fort , the legions , individuals all armed surrounding their fort .
    The women were watching the men were anticipating they closed down their fort and stayed in, but they were afraid , Allah threw fear into their hearts.
    3000 warrior only now came out from a battle now surrounding Bany Qurayza's fort whom betrayed Islam and Muslims, when the army was complete Bany Qurayza was afraid.
    What should we do , what should we make ?
    Ka'ab said to his people you only have 3 choices
    1-Enter Islam and be released from this
    2-Kill your own children and women with your own hand and fight to win or to lose
    they said what about the third , he said
    Fight him on sabbath day, as they won't be expecting.
    They said we won't comply to any of these three choices, so they sent a messenger to the Prophet (PBUH) to get them someone from their allies (Aws clan)
    {BREIF HISTORY FLASH = Medina before Islam had two major tribes, Aws (they allied with Bany Qurayza )and Khazrage (they allied with Bany Quyneka) , they were in constant battles until Mohammed came to Medina with Islam, they became brethren }
    They said we want Aba Lobaba (from Aws clan), send him to us let us talk and see .
    So the Prophet sent him and told him what is his judgment towards them.
    So when Abu Lobaba came close to the fort, they sent out the children and the women crying and showed him fear and sorrow.
    Imagine how a man can come to see children and women crying and he knows what Allah and his Apostle Judgment is.
    So when he reached them they said what are your thoughts Abu Lobaba, he said you should submit to Allah's Apostle judgment, they said what is Allah Apostle judgment?
    "HE MOVED HIS THUMB TRANSVERSELY ALONG HIS NECK" i.e Death , but never orally said it.
    As if he almost spelled a secret, and when Abu Lobaba realized that he said something that he shouldn't have said, he didn't return to Allah'a Apostle.
    He was sad and regretted it dearly.

    08:01-08:45            Ibn Hashim said "that Abu Lobaba said , I knew that i betrayed Allah and his apostle |citation needed|"

    From his incredible fear from punishment he tied himself inside the mosque for days.
    {contd Video}
    Now what to do?
    The Jews sent to Allah'a Apostle what is your judgment and he said kill women |citation needed|.
    They said we need a man from our Allies, to decide our fate . And the Aws came to Allah's Apostle and said Bany Quayneka you did what you did with them and they are Khazrage allies but Bany Qurayza are our allies.

    08:46-08:50           Ebn Salool (from Khazrage clan) saved his allies (Bany Quayneka) from a real massacre in a previous occasion.

    08:51-09:11           {contd Video} So will you agree that some one from your own will pass judgment on you?
    Bany Qurayza said yes ,so he said the judgment will be to Sa'ad Ebn Moaz (from Aws clan).
    Both Aws and the Jews agreed, they said he is our ally.

    9:12-9:49                 Yes, little did they know that Sa'ad Ebn Moaz their ally that should save them from the massacre,{Contd Vedio} (so they got out of their fort in chains one after the other, Ibn Isshaq said "So they came out and Allah's Apostle imprisoned them in the house of bent Harrees a woman from Bany el nagar from Khazrage clan their enemies). Was injured severely during the to and fro confrontations and he wanted revenge for their act of thinking to ally with the Arabian Allies.

    9:50-10:25               {Contd Vedio} So Sa'ad looked and said now is the time for Sa'ad Ibn Moaz to not be blamed for his judgment , when the Aws heard that they went to their homes eulogizing Bany Qurayza for its their doom. {End}

    10:28-10:42               Ibn Hashim says "Allah's Apostle then took them to the trench and seavered their heads in the trench"              

    10:43-12:17               And they were 600-700 some say between 900-800, and here Sirah books (books that talk about Mohammed's life) about another ugly crime, that every adolescence  who grew pubic hair was killed.
    The boys were examined by Mohammed himself, then their heads were struck off , i.e they were children of 12-13 years of age!!!
    After they killed anyone with a sprouted pubic hair ,  they shared the women amongst them as slaves and Mohammed took Rehana Ben Zead to himself.
    Asked her to be one of his women, she refused to have such a butcher as a husband and remained a slave till she dyed.
    And the reminder of children and women were sold in Hijaz market.

    12:18-12:49                And so Mohammed didn't stop at punishing those whom betrayed him , he punished them all.
    He has committed a hideous crime rarely anything similar in history, and here comes a Question that begs to be answered they never entered a war with the Muslims, and they didn't rush to open the gates for the Arabian allies, why kill a human for an idea that went through his mind?

    12:50-14:58                 They didn't attack Mohammed, and they surrendered and became captives , why then would you kill captives ?
    What makes you sure that everyone who sprouted pubic hair was guilty?
    If the leader (Ka'ab) decided to betray, why punish the women?
    Why does 12 year olds have to pay for their master's treachery?
    What happened to taking with this verse sins are not transfered from a person to the other unless committed by both |Citation needed| {Can't remember the verse's numbers}
    Or was this verse thrown in the garbage?
    He threw it like he threw many of the verses that had no use to him.
    And so the person that was pretending to be merciful, revealed his true nature through these tests.

    14:59-                        The truth is that Sirah books contains murders, butchers and rape.
    But the priests of Islam through out history, tried to spray flowers on it to hide it's stink.
    And they found that the best way to do so it to put a divine halo around Mohammed's head.
    By repeating Mohammed is the best human , best creation , better than my mom and dad , My adored one Allah's apostle |Citation needed|.
    And so implementing divinity of him in the hearts of people. |Citation needed|
    Affecting your mind by learning it to you.   |Citation needed|
    They are misguiding their followers via emotions and speech.   |Citation needed|
    So that you substitute your logic for your emotions, worshiping a butcher and drum rolling over the massacres.  |Citation needed|

                                            IT IS BRAIN WASHING
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    This took me hours to accomplish I hope someone would have the time to read all that.

    N.B= Some words might not be exactly translated no deception is intended , but the message itself and the translation isn't tampered with .
     
     
     


    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     Reply #1 - October 29, 2010, 05:54 AM

    i read it, i appreciate you translating it. Who exactly is the video from?

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  • Re: The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     Reply #2 - October 29, 2010, 09:26 AM

    Tabun, have you read "The life of Muhammad" by Ibn Ishaq?  It has all of this stuff in in great detail.

    I am not sure if I recall it incorrectly but I remember the plot was a Muslim one to end their siege.  One of the Muslims with Muhammad was a member of one of the tribes who was holding the Muslims under siege.  He went to his people and said that their allies could not be trusted and were going to betray them in some way, and for security they should request some important hostages from them.  I think he then went to the allies and requested the hostages but advised them that he suspected a trap, so they refused.  With the break in trust the allies all went home.

    Not sure if I have recalled it incorrectly, it was over a year ago I read it.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     Reply #3 - October 29, 2010, 02:31 PM

    i read it, i appreciate you translating it. Who exactly is the video from?


    The video was uploaded on youtube by nabel1971, he is an Arab atheist/Agnostic and he Fucking PWNS !!!

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     Reply #4 - October 29, 2010, 02:36 PM

    Tabun, have you read "The life of Muhammad" by Ibn Ishaq?  It has all of this stuff in in great detail.

    I am not sure if I recall it incorrectly but I remember the plot was a Muslim one to end their siege.  One of the Muslims with Muhammad was a member of one of the tribes who was holding the Muslims under siege.  He went to his people and said that their allies could not be trusted and were going to betray them in some way, and for security they should request some important hostages from them.  I think he then went to the allies and requested the hostages but advised them that he suspected a trap, so they refused.  With the break in trust the allies all went home.

    Not sure if I have recalled it incorrectly, it was over a year ago I read it.


    Actually, as a Muslim I never read any sirah books, Ibn Ishaq or otherwise and I can't bet you all my money that 90% of people living in Egypt haven't read any either.
    When I first viewed this guys video , during the days of Islam, It was one of the biggest shocks in my life.

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     Reply #5 - October 29, 2010, 05:38 PM

    such books are banned in here , but it was worst in the late king time , people were imprisoned for owning them
  • Re: The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     Reply #6 - October 29, 2010, 06:15 PM

    such books are banned in here , but it was worst in the late king time , people were imprisoned for owning them


    In Morocco?  Where they let tourists drink alcohol because it brings in lots of cash?

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     Reply #7 - October 29, 2010, 07:06 PM

    er the sira is official muslims stuff. its like banning people for owning the sahih collection

    where do you live? iran? Tongue

    (jokes i'm not sure what the rule is for sunni stuff in iran but i would hope its allowed, for the general public i mean)
  • Re: The Tale of a Jewish tribe
     Reply #8 - October 29, 2010, 09:35 PM

    ^ no , just books that openly talk about religion , stuff from iran rarely ends up here anyway , i live in morocco by the way

    now i kinda better since people don't get imprisoned for having them , but if yo talk openly about religion you may get a different treatment



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