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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #60 - November 18, 2010, 10:40 PM

    Nah, you're probably too young to know but Muslims have been dsiproportionately harping on about Israel ever since I've been breastfeeding.  In fact they were going on about the Afghanistan, Iran & Iraq conflict & Salman Rushdie's book before all this erupted.


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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #61 - November 18, 2010, 10:40 PM

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    disproportionately? Try saying that when you've had your home destroyed and your human rights thrown out of the window!


    When did they do that to you in Bradford Huh?

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #62 - November 18, 2010, 10:43 PM

    ^lol not in Bradford. He said they'd been protesting disproportionately to the plight of Palestinians. And I meant  he wouldn't see it like that if he was under israeli occupation.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #63 - November 18, 2010, 10:47 PM

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    ^lol not in Bradford. He said they'd been protesting disproportionately to the plight of Palestinians. And I meant  he wouldn't see it like that if he was under israeli occupation.

     

    Yeah I know, I was cracking a joke about the hysteria that 'Political Islam' inculcates in its followers. In a bleak, mundane world, how exciting and (self) righteous to be associated with all that is happening in Israel.

    I remember when those two Pakistani lads, one from Zionist Occupied Derby, the other from Zionist Occupied Hounslow, went to Tel Aviv and blew themselves up outside a nightclub.

    (Well one of them blew himself up, the fat one. The other's bomb failed to go off and he was found floating in the sea a few days later, having been killed by his Hamas handler)

    Strange though how 'Political Islam' Ummah Muslims don't protest against systematic atrocities commited by Muslims against Muslims and against non Muslims.

    Like alot of things in Islam, its all a one way street Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #64 - November 18, 2010, 10:50 PM

    Strange though how 'Political Islam' Ummah Muslims don't protest against systematic atrocities commited by Muslims against Muslims and against non Muslims.

    Like alot of things in Islam, its all a one way street Afro

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #65 - November 18, 2010, 10:51 PM

    The Palestinians and Israelis have more in common that they'd like to admit.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #66 - November 18, 2010, 10:52 PM

    Afro


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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #67 - November 18, 2010, 10:55 PM

    +2 - thats what I meant by disproportionately.  They only seem to become atrocities when they accept fellow muslims, and those are the only ones they harp on about. 

    When was the last time you saw a muslim protest about anything going on in the whole African continent?

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #68 - November 18, 2010, 10:55 PM



    Yeah I know, I was cracking a joke about the hysteria that 'Political Islam' inculcates in its followers. In a bleak, mundane world, how exciting and (self) righteous to be associated with all that is happening in Israel.

    I remember when those two Pakistani lads, one from Zionist Occupied Derby, the other from Zionist Occupied Hounslow, went to Tel Aviv and blew themselves up outside a nightclub.

    (Well one of them blew himself up, the fat one. The other's bomb failed to go off and he was found floating in the sea a few days later, having been killed by his Hamas handler)

    Strange though how 'Political Islam' Ummah Muslims don't protest against systematic atrocities commited by Muslims against Muslims and against non Muslims.

    Like alot of things in Islam, its all a one way street Afro



    I happen to know quite a few 'islamists' on youtube and they bitch more about the torah prison camp in Egypt and the Saudis than they d gitmo or Israel, so maybe there's change in the air lol The crimes against minorities in muslim countries (esp. Pakistan-saw that for myself) is 1 of the reasons why I started to question Islam.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #69 - November 19, 2010, 02:31 AM

    ^I disagree. The war made a lot of muslims more politically aware than ever! There were no protests against Israel during the 1st intifada and even 2nd in Britain (as far as I'm aware of) however there were protests held during the 2006 war, Gaza massacre and the act of piracy. And if you look at pics/vids of these protests you'll see people openly showing their support to hezbollah and hamas with placards and flags. And its bcoz of becoming more politically aware that they showed an interest in political Islam.

    Dear muslims,
    Iraq is 60% Shia (heretics who should be killed), 3% Christians (infidels), and 18% Kurds (non-religious pro-Western non-Arabs). So please stop caring about us. We don't deserve your precious time. Thank you.  Smiley
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #70 - November 19, 2010, 09:26 AM

    ^Not all sunnis believe all shias should be killed nor do they declare all of them as heretics. For fucks sake I don't know of a single sunni muslim leader who controlled Mecca that stopped shias from going to Mecca-a muslim ONLY place!
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #71 - November 19, 2010, 09:31 AM

    The Palestinians and Israelis have more in common that they'd like to admit.


    They're actually of the same genetic stock, this includes most of the ashkenazim or Eastern European Jews

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #72 - November 19, 2010, 09:33 AM

    ^Not all sunnis believe all shias should be killed nor do they declare all of them as heretics. For fucks sake I don't know of a single sunni muslim leader who controlled Mecca that stopped shias from going to Mecca-a muslim ONLY place!


    Take his larger point on board Thamina.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #73 - November 19, 2010, 09:34 AM

    ^I disagree. The war made a lot of muslims more politically aware than ever! There were no protests against Israel during the 1st intifada and even 2nd in Britain (as far as I'm aware of) however there were protests held during the 2006 war, Gaza massacre and the act of piracy. And if you look at pics/vids of these protests you'll see people openly showing their support to hezbollah and hamas with placards and flags. And its bcoz of becoming more politically aware that they showed an interest in political Islam.


    Yes funny how they don't seem to be aware of the fact that Hezbollah continued to massacre other Lebanese after Israel left and they are in fact not fighting for their country's independence from Israel but to be part of an oppressive regime.  Also tell me why conflicts like those in W.Sahara and the blockade in Yemen went unnoticed..

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #74 - November 19, 2010, 09:44 AM

    ^Why are you asking me? I don't support the regimes in Morocco or Yemen and I don't think most muslims do either.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #75 - November 19, 2010, 09:46 AM

    ^Why are you asking me? I don't support the regimes in Morocco or Yemen and I don't think most muslims do either.


    I'm not talking about you.  You were saying that the war made people aware of things.  Clearly the awareness is selective.  I've never heard anyone bitch about Western Sahara which is as much of an occupation.

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #76 - November 19, 2010, 10:14 AM

    This isn't about Remembrance Day anymore is it?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #77 - November 19, 2010, 10:45 AM

    The what now?
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #78 - November 19, 2010, 02:39 PM

    This isn't about Remembrance Day anymore is it?


    It was good while it lasted.

    But on the now continuing discussion.
    I do disagree with Islame. The wars did in part radicalise and politicise many young Muslims. I got interested in Islam as a default after 9/11 when I became politically active. I was a Muslim-once-a-year-at-Eid before that

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #79 - November 19, 2010, 02:45 PM

    Well there definitely was a rush to the barricades after 9/11


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #80 - November 19, 2010, 02:46 PM

    Quote from: XxThaminaxX link=topic=13077.msg368841#msg368841date=1290158775
    ^Not all sunnis believe all shias should be killed nor do they declare all of them as heretics. For fucks sake I don't know of a single sunni muslim leader who controlled Mecca that stopped shias from going to Mecca-a muslim ONLY place!

    But there has been Wahabi invasions in the 18th and 19th century against Karbala and Najaf which resulted in massacres of Shiites.
    The government textbooks in Saudi Arabia disparages Shias and commends the Wahabi invasion.

    From my personal experience which includes living in 2 Arab countries for considerable amounts of time, I found out that an overwhelming majority of Sunnis (and by proxy Arabs) HATE Shias.
    The minute I landed in Egypt, my friends who were there before me advised me to lie and claim I was  Sunni. The non-official student forum of the uni I went to there had a whole subforum titled (The Shias, Bahais, and the errors of their ways).
    In Jordan they were a little straightforward. To my shock and disgust, the immigration officer asked me "Are you Shia or Sunni?"
    This is the reason why pan-Arabism to Iraqi Shias (and many Iraqi Sunnis) is as Nazism is to Jews.


    I could (and will if you want to) provide you with tens of youtube comments pages where the highest rated comments call for deportation of Shias from Saudi or applauds the 2005 Al-Qaeda bombing of a vaccination centre in the majority-Shiite south of Iraq that resulted in the death of more than a 100 mothers and their children, among other things.

    Most importantly, the majority of the terrorist activities in Iraq that target civilians are carried out by foreign Arab nationals.  (Baathists and Saddam loyalists only target coalition forces).
    All the leaders of Al-Qaeda in Iraq have been foreign Arabs (as well as the majority of combatants and suicide bombers) [see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaeda_in_iraq#Selected_key_members]
    The 5 belligerents of the recent attack on Christians in Iraq were all foreign Arabs. Before the 2003 war Christians were about 5%, now they are only 3% thanks to those Muslims you think "are sympathizing with Iraqis".

  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #81 - November 19, 2010, 02:52 PM


    IA, this reminds me of a story from the other day I meant to post as a topic:

    ++++++


    Sectarian hostility lies beneath hajj spirit, pilgrims say

    Despite display of unity, visits to holy sites in Medina can be fraught, with some Shia Muslims from UK reporting victimisation


    As more than a billion Muslims around the world celebrated Eid today, the millions who had made the trip to Saudi Arabia continued with their hajj rituals, throwing pebbles at vast pillars, shaving their heads and sacrificing animals. But the festival's display of unity masks divisions in Islam, including hostility to the Shia Muslim minority who undertake the pilgrimage to Mecca.

    Shia Muslims number 200 million and are the second largest denomination in the faith. Many perform the hajj, and they also travel to Iran, Iraq and beyond to visit holy sites.

    In Mina, Saudi Arabia, hundreds of Shias have travelled from Britain to perform the hajj. Among them is Mohammed al-Hilli, who says he has "been called a heretic and a nonbeliever" and thinks some of the attitudes stem from Saudi preachers advocating hostility towards Shia Muslims.

    He said there have been many incidents where the religious police, the mutaween, have victimised Shias, and said they had disrupted the group's prayer meetings in the Grand Mosque in Mecca.

    Another member of his group, Riaz Esmail, is on his ninth hajj. "I would say that attitudes in Mecca towards Shias are better than they are in Medina," he said. "There are a large concentration of Shias in the east of the country and that is a source of tension for the Saudis."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/16/sectarian-hostility-hajj-spirit-pilgrims


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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #82 - November 19, 2010, 03:14 PM

    I fear the sectarian tension is only going to increase now that Iraq is no longer under 'Sunni' rule and Iran is trying to gain more influence by trying to use the Shiia sectors of Arab populations.  The Sunni governments are also quite unkind to people they are suspicious of.   We will probably be seeing more 'Lebanon' scenarios. 

    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

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  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #83 - November 19, 2010, 07:12 PM

    I'm not talking about you.  You were saying that the war made people aware of things.  Clearly the awareness is selective.  I've never heard anyone bitch about Western Sahara which is as much of an occupation.


    Maybe bcoz the media is selective? I mean people did recently protest in spain against the situation in western sahara but did anyone hear about it? did anyone hear about the hundreds of political activists being rounded up in egypt? Do you think it has summat to do with the fact that the regimes in Egypt and Morocco are pro-western so their disgraceful human rights records aren't really highlighted? No? If the ayatollahs were pro-US I bet you the protests in Iran wouldn't have been in the spotlight-rightly so but well you get what I'm saying.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #84 - November 19, 2010, 07:19 PM

    1st of all ANYONE who blows up ANYONE else that is a civilian I don't support them or think of them in a positive light. So fuck jordanian, syrian and saudi jihadis crossing the border to cause more violence (an 'excuse' for the american occupation to continue!) And yes I know about the invasions in karbala and najaf apparently they cut open the stomachs of pregnant women  Cry I think the only way forward for Iraq is a non-sectarian govt. As for Iran lol the americans (not known for being clever) remove the taliban and saddam and now bitch about Iranian influence in the region. What dumb bastards.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #85 - November 19, 2010, 07:21 PM

    Maybe bcoz the media is selective? I mean people did recently protest in spain against the situation in western sahara but did anyone hear about it? did anyone hear about the hundreds of political activists being rounded up in egypt? Do you think it has summat to do with the fact that the regimes in Egypt and Morocco are pro-western so their disgraceful human rights records aren't really highlighted? No? If the ayatollahs were pro-US I bet you the protests in Iran wouldn't have been in the spotlight-rightly so but well you get what I'm saying.


    What about you? I haven't seen you protest as loudly about such issues as you have about the occupation(s)? Don't you think people wouldn't take as much issue with what you say about that if you were more vocal about the other things?
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #86 - November 19, 2010, 07:22 PM

    1st of all ANYONE who blows up ANYONE else that is a civilian I don't support them or think of them in a positive light. So fuck jordanian, syrian and saudi jihadis crossing the border to cause more violence (an 'excuse' for the american occupation to continue!)


    Lol ok, ignore my last post Tongue Just try to be neutral at times other than when people call you up on it.  Smiley
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #87 - November 19, 2010, 09:08 PM

    I fear the sectarian tension is only going to increase now that Iraq is no longer under 'Sunni' rule and Iran is trying to gain more influence by trying to use the Shiia sectors of Arab populations.  The Sunni governments are also quite unkind to people they are suspicious of.   We will probably be seeing more 'Lebanon' scenarios. 

    The problem is not that Iraqi Shiites are loyal to Iran. This is the biggest lie ever. Even Shiite theocratic parties are not loyal to Iran. This is like saying the Australian socialist party was loyal to the Soviet Union, or like saying Neo-Nazis in the UK would like to be part of Germany.
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #88 - November 19, 2010, 10:11 PM

    So those mahdi obsessed sadrist fanatics don't have a soft spot for the ayatollahs next door??
  • Re: Remembrance Day
     Reply #89 - November 19, 2010, 10:26 PM

    They might share an ideology but they wouldn't want an Iranian ayatollah to rule Iraq or control its government.
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