@KT,
I'm SO SO SO SORRY I didn't even notice your reply and so I didn't reply. :( I'm sorry.
Also, I hope your nose is better.
So his whole argument is, just forget about it without explaining, I am really not convinced.
No, read it again. His argument is that there are various explanations, but if one is in doubt one should not be hasty in assigning one 'certain' explanation. Rather, a person goes through all of them, understands that there is doubt within them, but judges based on reason. Like with most ambiguous things.
It's part of Qur'anic interpretation. :/ Like, a major part, haha.
Allah makes it pretty clear, he says to: "What you measure" this is taking about time, he applies the seem concept to himself, i.e. that human measurement and gods measurements are different something on the scale of 1000 years that makes no sense if Allah claims to be transcendent.
I think if it was an idiom, he would not specifically mention 1000 years.
I disagree. I think it gets the point across that what is to a human a long time is to God nothing (or next to nothing).
Because Allah created them, they are insignificant compared to him, he takes an oath on something that he created. It would be like me taking an oath on this post. It makes no sense, he is not required to make oaths.
He's not required to reveal revelation either. :/ I don't get what you're saying. If you made a very grandiose claim, like: "I swear to God that I've quit cocaine!" then yeah, an oath would be relevant.
And the stuff He created is the stuff we can see. That's the point..
Yes, I am aware of that, it just makes no-sense for a supernatrual entity who is all powerful and all knowing to take oaths on matter.
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Yeah but the value of those things mean nothing to God. I personally just don't get it, it seems illogical.
1. Value in which terms? He would probably value them as His creation, not as a necessity (i.e. the sun is necessary for my continued existence, so I value it as such, but He wouldn't obviously)
2. Maybe you don't get it cuz you're reading it like a straightforward science textbook or recording of history or something instead of a book that is meant to move hearts and minds. Rhetoric is part of persuasion. And it isn't just rhetoric, it causes the reader to study and consider the things that are sworn upon. I don't think it's illogical in the slightest.
3. And lastly, he's speaking to us, so the value of the things to Him is irrelevant. We're the audience.
Yeah that's the whole point its disingenuous or silly at most.
No, it's not. It's inspiring and causes wonderment. (At least it does to me and presumably other readers
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They are not absolute points on the earth, the earth is spherical. There is no absolute, east or wast. How can he be the lord of something that's does not even exist. Lord of the world makes more sense.
Pretty sure "Lord of the worlds" is in the Qur'an, but other than that, I don't know how to answer the absolute East/West thing. But I think that the room for interpretation is such that this can't be a good point 'against' the Qur'an. At most a person could say, "I don't understand it." Rather than saying, "It is unintelligible." (You didn't say either of those, I'm just giving an example haha
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Yes he is great, also read Kant.
I tried...my head hurt :/
Exactly, most Islamic scholars refuse to talk about souls, and matter of such nature.
Yes, cuz they say it's beyond human understanding and it would confuse rather than elucidate if a person started speculating on it.
Even if we consider it a test, it is illogical for Allah to test when he knows the answers. He knows how much faith everyone has even more they are created. That takes away free-will in all instances.
Only if faith exists in definite quantities and proportions.
And I don't think foreknowledge has anything to do with free will, but I've had this convo with Allat and Ishina and they couldn't convince me, so I doubt you can
Yeah but, like I said, if I stole something form you, to feed my family, and then on judgment say, Allah forgives me, then justice has not been served to you. So it is impossible for him to be the most just.
I don't know. I think you're wrong but I can't explain it. I don't think you can treat complex things like 'justice' as mathematical equations, like: Chepea lost a piece of bread, justice = punish the thief. I think it's more complex than that. But I can't explain it :/ Probably some Islamic scholar can, so maybe try reading their books if you haven't already
It's simple, Allah is everlasting, this he has not beginning and no end. That is infinite.
In time... :/ He doesn't exist in time...
SORRY AGAIN :(
Topic: What book are you reading?