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  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #60 - November 12, 2010, 10:04 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on November 12, 2010, 09:32 AM
    People like DH and arthur1 make me want to call myself a secular/cultural muslim just to spite them. There'll be gnashing of teeth and wailing on that day.


    So why don't these secular muslims step up to the line and be counted then. look at Tower Hamlets, voting fraud and intimidation to get a brother to be major, backed by the extremist IFA in the east London mosque, where is the protest, I don't see any.
    I actually want them to join the fight back, the country needs to see them.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #61 - November 12, 2010, 10:10 AM
    i like how arthur decides to completely ignore me when i present the fundamental basis for the progression of religious philosophy, but then sits there like 'well if my solution is wrong then gimme another' when someone else responds to him. they do respond, they do fight back but people like you refuse to see their efforts, people like you refuse to acknowledge them, people like YOU hinder them in the fight against radical islam.

    people like you see them the same way that radical extremists see you, which is the saddest part of this all.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #62 - November 12, 2010, 10:14 AM
    I wouldn't expect much from Arthur, to be honest. He isn't the sharpest knife in the draw. He's a simple chap who thinks the best way to fix something is to hit it repeatedly with a blunt instrument.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #63 - November 12, 2010, 10:21 AM
    well if he's dumb enough to think kicking in the doors of resturants owned by non-muslims with diners who are asian will solve all our problems then i'm inclined to agree
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #64 - November 12, 2010, 11:09 AM
    What happened to Charles? He was cool. He would just come into the middle of a thread with something completely unrelated. He would never read the posts. And he would often mention that he was Jewish. Charles is Allah.
    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #65 - November 12, 2010, 11:39 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 11, 2010, 01:29 PM
    According to Muslim sources, Islam is losing 6 million Muslims in Africa to Christianity every year

    I'm not sure about that statistic.  I believe it comes from an interview given on a Memri clip by some Muslim exhorting his fellow Muslims to give more money for proselytising in Africa - i.e. he made it up.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #66 - November 12, 2010, 01:20 PM
    Quote from: serrated_colon on November 12, 2010, 10:10 AM
    i like how arthur decides to completely ignore me when i present the fundamental basis for the progression of religious philosophy, but then sits there like 'well if my solution is wrong then gimme another' when someone else responds to him. they do respond, they do fight back but people like you refuse to see their efforts, people like you refuse to acknowledge them, people like YOU hinder them in the fight against radical islam.

    people like you see them the same way that radical extremists see you, which is the saddest part of this all.


    I'm sorry if you think I ignored you, it wasn't my intention. In fact, mostly, I agree with you.
    I think that the muslim population will grow but I don't think anyone can predict it's growth for the reasons you state.
    My point would be however that even now on 3% it is dangerous, unless changes come about and I don't see how that can happen quickly enough.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #67 - November 12, 2010, 01:24 PM
    How would you suggest we reduce the Muslim population in Britain down to zero? Is there a way?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #68 - November 12, 2010, 01:25 PM
    Quote from: serrated_colon on November 12, 2010, 10:21 AM
    well if he's dumb enough to think kicking in the doors of resturants owned by non-muslims with diners who are asian will solve all our problems then i'm inclined to agree


    I have never used violence or smashed any windows and there is no proof it was EDL, police are reviewing cctv footage and who ever is responsible will be prosecuted and rightly so.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #69 - November 12, 2010, 01:28 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on November 12, 2010, 01:24 PM
    How would you suggest we reduce the Muslim population in Britain down to zero? Is there a way?


    I wouldn't suggest it, I don't want to throw them out.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #70 - November 12, 2010, 01:31 PM
    What would your ideal number be? How would you reduce it from the 3% dangerous level down to something more managable? And how would you contain the population once you got it there?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #71 - November 12, 2010, 01:32 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 11, 2010, 08:01 PM
    broken records have substance too


    Yes, especially when played on the ELP laser turntable.

    And wouldn't it be cool to have this Technics 1200 MK4. Can you see it has an extra button for 78s?



    I remember back in Malaysia my parents bought me a talking book pressed on a 16 rpm 7".

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  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #72 - November 12, 2010, 04:12 PM
    Quote from: DH on November 12, 2010, 06:20 AM
    So when roughly do you expect Islam to become "moderate" like Christianity?


    I haven't a clue. Maybe never. After all, in the Americas and Africa, there are still strong and numerous radical right-wing Christian elements. My point was arthur1's utterly retarded statement that less than 6 years is "plenty of time" for an entire religious community to moderate.

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    Such people existed in the "Muslim" population at the time of Muhammad. The Koran calls them "hypocrites" and threatens them with hell forever.

    To repeat, the problem is that the Koran defines such "moderate" Muslims as "hypocrites" (surah 63) and advocates ruthless jihad against them (66:09). There will always be TRUE BELIEVERS willing to carry out these orders and ensure that any "moderated" Islam (a contradiction in terms) never permanently triumphs. And the fact of the matter is the majority of Afghan Muslims did not want the "godless commies" allowing their women not to wear Burkhas - which were not an innovation of the Taliban - and supported the jihad against the USSR supporters of the PDPA government.


    NONE of this contradicts a fuckin thing I said. The moderate and secularist Muslims exist, and by your own admission, have always existed, and have been fighting and dying at the hands of the radicals while assholes like you and arthur1 tap away at your keyboards.
    fuck you
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #73 - November 12, 2010, 05:05 PM
    How did i guess DH was responsible for starting this topic?
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #74 - November 12, 2010, 05:11 PM
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    What a lame brain  Roll Eyes.   Sounds like a headline straight out of The Sun.
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  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #75 - November 12, 2010, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: Ferrero on November 12, 2010, 05:05 PM
    How did i guess DH was responsible for starting this topic?


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  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #76 - November 12, 2010, 06:03 PM
    Quote from: DH on November 12, 2010, 05:59 AM
    It will limit the pool of potentially "radicalizable". The greater the relative number of Muslims in a geographical area the greater the problems Islam causes non-Muslims. Remember Yathrib at the time of Muhammad? The people of that city had allowed the "Prophet of Allah" to come and settle there on the basis of a faulty understanding of what they were letting into their midst. Not long after their arrival there the hitherto "moderate" "persecuted" Muslims were "radicalized", took over the town as a base for terrorist attacks on Meccan merchant caravans, enforced sharia and ruthlessly crushed all opposition to their takeover. This set the pattern for the Islamic modus operandi wherever the cult sets up shop ever since.


    I think you are neglecting a few things here, namely that most Muslims are not trying to come here to take over our country while there may be a minority who actually are actively involved in promoting terrorism and have expressed radical sentiments, i'd contest the majority of Muslims who come here want a life of more freedom, and independency, and are not part of a covert mission to 'Islamise' the UK.

    No one is oblivious to the reality that moderates are being radicalised in Britain, but do you really think the media (especially the express) is going to report the less dramatic headlines of moderates and liberals assimilating and integrating into western norms a.k.a Muslims getting on with their day to day lives, not harming or bothering anybody and trying to do something positive for society.

    Most of them don't want shari'ah law here. These newspapers are just regurgitating the same fear-mongering 'Islam is taking over' bullshit.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #77 - November 15, 2010, 05:48 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on November 12, 2010, 01:24 PM
    How would you suggest we reduce the Muslim population in Britain down to zero? Is there a way?


    Shutting the door on further Muslim mass immigration (or, if you like, ALL mass immigration if you think that would be "picking on" Muslims) should - along with other measures I have advocated - ensure the problem is kept at a manageable level. Over time, hopefully, Muslims will gradually drift away from this cult until it withers away in countries like the UK.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #78 - November 15, 2010, 06:06 AM
    Quote from: Heyjustlooking
    I think you are neglecting a few things here, namely that most Muslims are not trying to come here to take over our country while there may be a minority who actually are actively involved in promoting terrorism and have expressed radical sentiments, i'd contest the majority of Muslims who come here want a life of more freedom, and independency, and are not part of a covert mission to 'Islamise' the UK.


    Let us suppose there is a request for an imposing mosque in some UK town. Let us suppose that all those Muslims making this request, the prospective congregation and the imam who preaches there genuinely reject sharia to a man and woman as an outdated system that has no place in ANY PART of today's world. A difficult thing to believe, sure, but let us suppose it is true. In building this mosque these sharia rejecting "Muslims" are STILL helping to set up the infrastructure of an Islamic state - of which mosques are an inherent component. There is no reason to believe that this mosque would forever remain a place of sharia-rejecting Islam. As it is a mosque congregation composed mostly or largely of principled sharia rejectors takes a great deal of suspension of disbelief!

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    No one is oblivious to the reality that moderates are being radicalised in Britain, but do you really think the media (especially the express) is going to report the less dramatic headlines of moderates and liberals assimilating and integrating into western norms a.k.a Muslims getting on with their day to day lives, not harming or bothering anybody and trying to do something positive for society.


    Why should they report that any more than report that the Guardian or Independent should report that the "vast majority" of British National Party members do not engage in racist attacks on ethnic minorities or carry placards loudly advertising their racist views and ideals and expect the reader to conclude that most BNP members are anti-racists?

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    Most of them don't want shari'ah law here.


    According to THIS article 40% of Muslims asked expressed a desire for sharia. And that's just the HONEST ones. Now imagine if the number of people who call themselves "Muslims" in the UK amounted to 5X the current level.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #79 - November 15, 2010, 06:14 AM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 11, 2010, 10:36 PM
    DH what do you think about non-muslim english people who convert to Islam?


    I think they generally do so with a very superficial understanding of what they are getting eg a vaguely "spiritual"experience while visiting a Muslim country and hearing the eerie sound of the Muezzin wafting over the air. Women "reverts" often do so after being bamboozled or emotionally coerced into it by some Muslim male they have taken up with.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #80 - November 15, 2010, 06:23 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah
    How do you think stopping muslim immigration is going to stop radicalisation of British muslims?


    Well if it does not we will at least have a manageable terrorist problem and insufficient "radicals" to make a serious attempt to overthrow the prevailing system based on "man-made" laws and replace it with sharia.

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    Are you planning to ban the Internet too?  This isn't the 1950s, you can't stop an ideology by barring its adherents from setting foot in your country.  You need to tackle the problem, not take a pointless NIMBY approach.


    So what does CEMB advocate doing to "tackle the problem" so that it INDEFINITELY ceases to be a problem?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #81 - November 15, 2010, 06:26 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 11, 2010, 08:01 PM
    broken records have substance too


    So how do YOU suppose we combat the Islam threat Islame?
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #82 - November 15, 2010, 07:32 AM
    So basically, according to DH, nobody in their right mind would accept Islam. Forget the fact, he will be the first to congratuate you for using your logical mind and leaving the religion, but dare you come to it following the same logical abstractions? All hell breaks loose. Stop insulting our intelligence and the intelligence of Muslims in this country who just want to live peacefully, who don't hate their non-Muslim neighbours, who do not force their beliefs down anybody elses' throat.

  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #83 - November 15, 2010, 10:49 AM
    Quote from: DH on November 15, 2010, 05:48 AM
    Shutting the door on further Muslim mass immigration (or, if you like, ALL mass immigration if you think that would be "picking on" Muslims) should - along with other measures I have advocated - ensure the problem is kept at a manageable level. Over time, hopefully, Muslims will gradually drift away from this cult until it withers away in countries like the UK.


    If I wanted your opinion, I'd slap the banana out of your mouth.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #84 - November 15, 2010, 01:16 PM
    Quote from: DH on November 15, 2010, 06:06 AM
    Let us suppose there is a request for an imposing mosque in some UK town. Let us suppose that all those Muslims making this request, the prospective congregation and the imam who preaches there genuinely reject sharia to a man and woman as an outdated system that has no place in ANY PART of today's world. A difficult thing to believe, sure, but let us suppose it is true. In building this mosque these sharia rejecting "Muslims" are STILL helping to set up the infrastructure of an Islamic state - of which mosques are an inherent component. There is no reason to believe that this mosque would forever remain a place of sharia-rejecting Islam. As it is a mosque congregation composed mostly or largely of principled sharia rejectors takes a great deal of suspension of disbelief!

    Why should they report that any more than report that the Guardian or Independent should report that the "vast majority" of British National Party members do not engage in racist attacks on ethnic minorities or carry placards loudly advertising their racist views and ideals and expect the reader to conclude that most BNP members are anti-racists?

    According to THIS article 40% of Muslims asked expressed a desire for sharia. And that's just the HONEST ones. Now imagine if the number of people who call themselves "Muslims" in the UK amounted to 5X the current level.


    An opinion poll composed of 500 people is in what world considered to be accurate? If you're going to make generalising statements, at least put some effort in getting a decent sample size.

    Again, people who know fuck all about statistics talking like they're an authority on it. I have a good book for you DH that isn't too hard to digest; The Tiger that Isn't. You might then make the effort to make sure your statistics are representative of a population.
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #85 - November 15, 2010, 01:22 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on November 15, 2010, 10:49 AM
    If I wanted your opinion, I'd slap the banana out of your mouth.


     Cheesy
    fuck you
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #86 - November 16, 2010, 06:00 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on November 15, 2010, 10:49 AM
    If I wanted your opinion, I'd slap the banana out of your mouth.


    I like monkeys as much as pigs so don't mind being likened to the fine creatures. In fact I am, like Richard Dawkins, proud to call myself an "African Ape". Nor will I pretend that I am so intellectually superior to my fellow apes as you believe yourself to be.

    Call me anything you like. Money, dog, insect, virus. Just don't call me a MUSLIM! Then I WILL be offended.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #87 - November 16, 2010, 06:07 AM
    Quote from: Ferrero on November 15, 2010, 07:32 AM
    So basically, according to DH, nobody in their right mind would accept Islam. Forget the fact, he will be the first to congratuate you for using your logical mind and leaving the religion, but dare you come to it following the same logical abstractions? All hell breaks loose. Stop insulting our intelligence and the intelligence of Muslims in this country who just want to live peacefully, who don't hate their non-Muslim neighbours, who do not force their beliefs down anybody elses' throat.


    Ferrero. What percentage of each of the following among those who define themselves as "Muslim" would you say make up the total?:

    Out and out jihadists/shariaists and their active, tacit and moral supporters.

    Devout Muslims ignorant of much of Islam's teachings on jihad and sharia

    Self-deluding Muslims who have convinced themselves that Islam advocates peace and harmony with non-Muslims on the basis of true equality

    Muslims who reject sharia and jihad on principle ie those whom the Koran calls "hypocrites"
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #88 - November 16, 2010, 07:00 AM
    Quote from: Q-man
    I haven't a clue. Maybe never.


    Indeed.

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    My point was arthur1's utterly retarded statement that less than 6 years is "plenty of time" for an entire religious community to moderate.


    So we can't rely on "self-moderation" by Muslims any time soon to bring about a "reformed Islam" - any more than we can rely on self-regulation by the financial sector to avoid future economic meltdowns.

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    NONE of this contradicts a fuckin thing I said. The moderate and secularist Muslims exist, and by your own admission, have always existed, and have been fighting and dying at the hands of the radicals while assholes like you and arthur1 tap away at your keyboards.


    What the Koran calls "hypocrites" - and you insist as labelling "moderate"/"secular" Muslims - have indeed existed as long as Islam. In 1400 years they have failed to bring about what can be regarded as a permanently deshariaized dejihadized Islam which is no longer a serious threat to the lives and liberties of non-Muslims and there is no reason at all to hope that the mere existence of such people will do so in the future.
    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: HOW THE (UK) TAXPAYER IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR MILITANT ISLAM
     Reply #89 - November 16, 2010, 08:09 AM
    I think DH is showing typical Muslim shoe bomber mentality. He’s gonna go in hard, take every motherfucker out indiscriminately including himself.

    But things don’t go according to plan. He completely misjudges the situation, doesn’t think things through properly, ends up setting fire to himself instead, some Scottish security guard punches him in the face while he’s still burning, and then everybody laughs and gloats at his misfortune.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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