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 Topic: Calling All Veggies/Vegans

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  • Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     OP - November 11, 2010, 07:07 PM

    Ok, so I know we've had threads about vegetarianism/veganism before, but they just turned into piss-takes.

    Anyhoo, so I want veggies/vegans to give me their reasons for abstaining from consuming animal products, if they'd be so kind. Smiley
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #1 - November 11, 2010, 07:10 PM

    *goes into panic room*
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #2 - November 11, 2010, 07:11 PM

    Well ... damn  lipsrsealed

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #3 - November 11, 2010, 07:11 PM


    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #4 - November 11, 2010, 07:11 PM


     Cheesy

    Holy shit Ishina.
    Sometimes your images just make my day

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #5 - November 11, 2010, 07:12 PM

    You guys arent veggies, go away. I'm just honestly curious.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #6 - November 11, 2010, 07:13 PM

    *goes into panic room*

    +1

    Ok, so I know we've had threads about vegetarianism/veganism before, but they just turned into piss-takes.

    Anyhoo, so I want veggies/vegans to give me their reasons for abstaining from consuming animal products, if they'd be so kind. Smiley

    I had a thought of it, but not happening in this lifetime for me.

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  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #7 - November 11, 2010, 07:15 PM

    I used to be a veggie.  I can't quite remember why, it had something to do with animals being fluffy and cute and also the starving people of the Third World, who were somehow going to benefit from me not eating meat. 

    And also because it annoyed my mother.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #8 - November 11, 2010, 07:16 PM


    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #9 - November 11, 2010, 07:17 PM

    Could those of you who are not or were never veggies/vegans please read the thread title and GTFO? k thnx.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #10 - November 11, 2010, 07:22 PM



    That pic always cracks me up!  Cheesy

     parrot bunny piggy

    DO YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE NO VEGGIE EMOTICONS? HUH?

  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #11 - November 11, 2010, 07:31 PM

    A vegaterian I came into contact with once stated that it was due to the suffering of living beings in the process.

    When I then argued back as to the suffering of the Animals and people (for agriculture processes) in the making of most of their imported foods, the cosmetics,shampoos and medicines they use which were tested on animals and the anti-biotics and pesticides also used by them and their food producers for killing bacteria and insects, he shut up pretty quickly.

    (I could then go far more indepth and argue that if you use these products that were even once tested on defenseless animals to be suitable for humans,  then by using them now, you've pretty much justified the actions of the products history...among 50 other arguments, but let's not bother)

    It's always so easy to draw the lines where comfort ends and begins.

    Not that this is anything against Vegetarians though, we all do it in a variety of ways
    (damn you subjective morality!! finmad)
    Bunch of effing hypocrites! myself included.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #12 - November 11, 2010, 07:38 PM

    parrot bunny piggy

    DO YOU KNOW WHY THERE ARE NO VEGGIE EMOTICONS? HUH?


    But the parrot, bunny and piggy are all alive.  This would be an example of a non-veggie emoticon:


    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #13 - November 11, 2010, 07:42 PM

    A vegaterian I came into contact with once stated that it was due to the suffering of living beings in the process.

    When I then argued back as to the suffering of the Animals and people (for agriculture processes) in the making of most of their imported foods, the cosmetics,shampoos and medicines they use which were tested on animals and the anti-biotics and pesticides also used by them and their food producers for killing bacteria and insects, he shut up pretty quickly.



    Hmm, but I don't see why it has to be an all or nothing thing.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #14 - November 11, 2010, 07:46 PM

    But the parrot, bunny and piggy are all alive.  This would be an example of a non-veggie emoticon:

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    That image shall be burned forever in my mind  Cry


    Ok Prince, I'll shut up now >>>

  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #15 - November 11, 2010, 08:21 PM

    My family are omni and we didn't eat vegetarian meals at all owing to my father being a meat and potatoes type.

    I stopped consuming animals once I recognised that it was a desire rather than a need. If I were faced with a choice to hunt or starve then the choice would probably be different (and I have killed animals in the past). But the fact remains that I don't have to consume animals and I find no compelling argument for placing the whims of my stomach over their lives. I don't know how sentient each animal is, or how much their nervous systems are able to experience pain as we would understand it - but from my experiences and interactions with them I'd rather not subject non-human animals to what could be pain or suffering as much as possible. I also have environmental concerns about the impact of animal agriculture, overfishing, etc. Last but not least I am not comfortable with living beings being classed as property and treated as commodities, especially ones which display a  preference for freedom and in fact show demonstratable signs of distress at being held captive.

    That's as short as I can make it.  Smiley


    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #16 - November 11, 2010, 08:24 PM

    I'm still practicing ovo-lacto-vegetarianism. The only reason why I stopped eating meat is just culinary.. and eating a shrimp in some role is making me reconsider. I still haven't tried non-halal beef, chicken and lamb.

    I should've researched a lot about vegetarianism and criticism given to the idea (which I haven't). I haven't researched much about the bioethics related to this... just to sum it up, I'm not really buying the idea because I am a Layman and I won't commit myself to vegetarianism until I have a better understanding.

    "I measured the skies, now the shadows I measure,
    Sky-bound was the mind, earth-bound the body rests."
    [Kepler's epitaph]
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #17 - November 11, 2010, 08:32 PM

    My family are omni and we didn't eat vegetarian meals at all owing to my father being a meat and potatoes type.

    I stopped consuming animals once I recognised I was a pussy, owing to my Britishness. If I were faced with a choice to hunt or starve then the choice would probably be different (and I have killed animals in the past). But the fact remains that I don't have to consume animals and I find no compelling argument for placing the whims of my stomach over their lives. I don't know how sentient each animal is, or how much their nervous systems are able to experience pain as we would understand it - but from my experiences and interactions with them I'd rather not subject non-human animals to what could be pain or suffering as much as possible. I also have environmental concerns about the impact of animal agriculture, overfishing, etc. Last but not least I am not comfortable with living beings being classed as property and treated as commodities, especially ones which display a  preference for freedom and in fact show demonstratable signs of distress at being held captive.

    That's as short as I can make it.  Smiley


    Hmmm, interesting.

    fuck you
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #18 - November 11, 2010, 08:34 PM

     Cheesy

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #19 - November 11, 2010, 08:36 PM

    My family are omni and we didn't eat vegetarian meals at all owing to my father being a meat and potatoes type.

    I stopped consuming animals once I recognised that it was a desire rather than a need. If I were faced with a choice to hunt or starve then the choice would probably be different (and I have killed animals in the past). But the fact remains that I don't have to consume animals and I find no compelling argument for placing the whims of my stomach over their lives. I don't know how sentient each animal is, or how much their nervous systems are able to experience pain as we would understand it - but from my experiences and interactions with them I'd rather not subject non-human animals to what could be pain or suffering as much as possible. I also have environmental concerns about the impact of animal agriculture, overfishing, etc. Last but not least I am not comfortable with living beings being classed as property and treated as commodities, especially ones which display a  preference for freedom and in fact show demonstratable signs of distress at being held captive.

    That's as short as I can make it.  Smiley


    Thanks  Smiley

    So what sort of animals have you interacted with and in what way? I think I need to raise my empathy levels.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #20 - November 11, 2010, 09:03 PM

    I was a vegitarean 2 summers ago for 3 months.
    Its very difficult to become a vegitarean, esp wen ur whole family and ur friends eat meat.
    So thats why I stopped.
    I'm thinking about becoming a vegitarean again. This is for several reasons.

    The first off is the way that animals are treated before they are killed.
    They are stuffed in cages, starved, fed substances to make the chicken grow faster.
    The second reason is that, even though its good, I feel guilty when I eat it.
    If you were to watch how the meat gets to ur table, you would be disgusted.
    I was.

    There a million more other reasons, but those are the main ones.
    If you get into details there are more pros to it.
    Heres a video I like about meat:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIjanhKqVC4
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #21 - November 12, 2010, 01:29 PM

    I tried being vegetarian, but it was too hard. :\

    I am amazed at how many vegetarians there are in India... I swear every second Indian I meet (I work with a lot) haven't eaten meat their entire lives... Dedication.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #22 - November 12, 2010, 01:49 PM

    I tried being vegetarian, but it was too hard. :\

    I am amazed at how many vegetarians there are in India... I swear every second Indian I meet (I work with a lot) haven't eaten meat their entire lives... Dedication.


    Really? That's bizarre coz I didn't always meet 'pure' vegetarians in India Grin

    Most of the men are quite happy to chomp away on chicken or egg (away from the prying eyes of their parents or wives tho Grin). Those from coastal regions might also indulge in fish... very few will partake in mutton and only the highly irreligious will have beef. The women tend to be more religious and strict vegetarians, though a few might still eat chicken now and again. I have never understood why eating chicken is considered more 'acceptable' to a non-fervant hindu, compared to say.. mutton or fish.

    Then again, meat and fish is considered a 'luxury' in many developing countries and most people 'splash out' on non-veg now and again. The richer you are, the more often you can afford to eat meat. Only in the UK have I found meat to be cheaper than veg! The price tags on some of the veg and vegan stuff here... eeks.. it's almost like you have to be posh to be a veggie lol Back home, a lot of people do it because they don't have a choice - apart from the usual religious angle.
    Animal welfare and ethics is also practically zero in countries like India - so much for being vegetarian  wacko

  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #23 - November 12, 2010, 02:51 PM

    I have a question for thinkfree or anyone else who agree's with the view that animals' should not be treated as a commodity, and the question is this: if you are inclined to give to charities, would you only give to vegan/vegetarian ones? Would you refuse to give to say Oxfam or Cancer Research UK?  Smiley
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #24 - November 12, 2010, 02:57 PM

    I've never been vegetarian really but I once didn't masturbate for 6 months. Back in 2005 when I read the Bhagavad Gita. I still looked at porn though. Man when I gushed....

    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #25 - November 12, 2010, 03:01 PM

    I have a question for thinkfree or anyone else who agree's with the view that animals' should not be treated as a commodity, and the question is this: if you are inclined to give to charities, would you only give to vegan/vegetarian ones? Would you refuse to give to say Oxfam or Cancer Research UK?  Smiley


    lol ferrero, you're even dumber than me. agrees not agree's and animals not animals', hehe (i always wanted to do that to someone else)

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #26 - November 12, 2010, 03:02 PM

    If i had read it back I would have picked up on it  Tongue lipsrsealed
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #27 - November 13, 2010, 09:15 PM

    Bump.

    Where have all the veggies goooone
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #28 - November 13, 2010, 09:20 PM

    I find it unethical to eat meat and I'm just doing the least I can to limit the suffering of animals.


    'The greatest glory of living lies not in never falling but in rising everytime you fall'
  • Re: Calling All Veggies/Vegans
     Reply #29 - November 13, 2010, 09:46 PM

    Slippery slope -- is killing bacteria/bugs/cancerous cells evil too?
    What about plants, uprooting carrots and such?
    I believe we have a duty to our fellow humans to eat (at least) less meat, as the point was made above that producing beef  takes away farmland that could be used to produce sustenance crops for local communities. (and kills rainforests = our oxygen supply).
    As for what our responsibility to animals is, I am not sure. I believe we have at least a duty to prevent animals from being in harm while they are living (as in, opposing factory farms and animal cruelty). I am not sure however how animals react to being killed or their attitudes towards death. One might want to err on the side of caution here, though I am not sure that a chicken or a chicken's family has any specific existential attitudes towards death. If they had a sudden, instant and humane death following a humane life I am not sure there would be any negative effect on the animal.
    That being said, I used to be a vegetarian (and a vegan). I was not opposed to eating animal products per se, simply that the means of extracting such products is often inhumane. I am not totally convinced eating meat (even free-range) is humane simply in terms of the animal.
    Though I see no problem whatsoever with eating a naturally dead animal, of course.
    It's hard to judge the attitudes of animals without being anthrocentric.



    Well here's what I said before, though now I've turned back to vegetarianism. I have some further thoughts though:

    1) If there is some sort of "hierarchy of killing" (i.e. it is more OK to kill some living beings than others), I think that we are concerned about the wrong animals. If anyone has watched chickens, they seem like there is not much going on in their brains. However, if you watch mice, rats, etc. and even Bugs they seem a lot more 'sentient.' This is the problem -- is it OK then to kill bugs?

    2) I am still not convinced that plants don't have consciousness and aversion to being harvested -- however, it is obvious that animals are in pain and hence the reason to not eat them or harm them.

    3) Eating factory-farmed eggs and cheese and milk is just as bad as eating factory-farmed meat.

    4) I am not entirely sure I have a problem with eating wild, hunted meat, particularly from less sentient animals. But the jury is out. On this point, I would be interested to hear other's thoughts on why this is wrong?
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