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  • Why is there something rather than nothing?
     OP - November 14, 2010, 01:59 AM
    This is really a question for the hardened atheists out there, philosophical & scientific contributions welcome  Afro

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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #1 - November 14, 2010, 02:04 AM
    Why are you assuming 'nothing' is a viable alternative?
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #2 - November 14, 2010, 02:23 AM
    I am not.  But why are you assuming it isnt?  bored0
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #3 - November 14, 2010, 02:50 AM
    Why would I assume it is?
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #4 - November 14, 2010, 02:56 AM
    You should be a little more specific on the something bit the nothing part  is easy to figure out...lol





  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #5 - November 14, 2010, 03:03 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 14, 2010, 01:59 AM
    This is really a question for the hardened atheists out there, philosophical & scientific contributions welcome  Afro



    Just reading this gives me a headache. Is that your way to celebrate your 20k posts milestone?  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #6 - November 14, 2010, 03:28 AM
    Quote from: AB71313 on November 14, 2010, 02:56 AM
    You should be a little more specific on the something bit the nothing part  is easy to figure out...lol



    Hmm, I think the complete opposite. I can appreciate the concept of 'something', but 'nothingness' is alien to all our senses.
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #7 - November 14, 2010, 03:38 AM
    heeres an essay on this topic.......
    * whyanything, why this-parfit.pdf (71.85 KB - downloaded 195 times.)
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #8 - November 14, 2010, 10:10 AM
    Why is there only something instead of everything?

    Or, in other words, why do you think "nothing" is the hypothetical default that requires no explanation?
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #9 - November 14, 2010, 10:15 AM
    In my fictional cosmogony, there was everything in the beginning.
    But everything was just too much for the Cosmic Annihilator to bear, so the Annihilator started eliminating things here and there until the universe became as we know it.
    But eventually the Annihilator will eliminate everything and then erase itself as well.

    Now, you might wonder... Why the hell there was a Cosmic Annihilator to begin with?
    Well, it's simple, EVERYTHING existed by default ^_^
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #10 - November 14, 2010, 10:28 AM
    I concur with Prince Spinoza. The "something" we are in is a brute fact. It's an objective reality. If there was nothing, well we wouldn't be having this discussion.
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #11 - November 14, 2010, 10:40 AM
    why not? Why expect nothing rather than something?

    In order to say that nothing is a default position, you'd have to demonstrate that nothing actually exists.
    Also (in the case that you don't find 'nothing' inside the universe) you would have demonstrate how
    1)something can be outside of everything or
    2) That there is something outside of the universe



  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #12 - November 14, 2010, 10:41 AM
    all answers to 'what / who created the universe' satisfy this question as well.

    cyclic cosmologies in which matter-energy is recycled ad infinitum do not answer this question.

    outside of cosmology, i don't know any other way of even positing an answer to the question.
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #13 - November 14, 2010, 01:53 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on November 14, 2010, 02:50 AM
    Why would I assume it is?

    I cant read your mind, it would be easier if you told us instead?
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #14 - November 14, 2010, 01:55 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on November 14, 2010, 03:28 AM
    Hmm, I think the complete opposite.

    +1 - I was just about to say that, see 'something' as the opposite of 'nothing'
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #15 - November 14, 2010, 01:57 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on November 14, 2010, 10:10 AM
    Why is there only something instead of everything?

    Or, in other words, why do you think "nothing" is the hypothetical default that requires no explanation?

    see my reply to Prince of Spin
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #16 - November 14, 2010, 02:04 PM
    Some folks are interpreting this is a First Cause question.  It's not, its asking why the default position is something rather than nothing.
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #17 - November 14, 2010, 02:22 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PZlknKRUlw&feature=related
    ...
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #18 - November 14, 2010, 02:23 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 14, 2010, 01:59 AM
    This is really a question for the hardened atheists out there, philosophical & scientific contributions welcome  Afro




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96A_warg-co&feature=related
    ...
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #19 - November 14, 2010, 03:47 PM
    Tough question - maybe it's impossible for there to be truly nothing. Read the essay Zoomi linked as an attachment in her post, seems to give an interesting take on the question.

    I don't think there is a reason for why it's there, it just is.
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #20 - November 14, 2010, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on November 14, 2010, 10:28 AM
    I concur with Prince Spinoza. The "something" we are in is a brute fact. It's an objective reality. If there was nothing, well we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #21 - November 14, 2010, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 14, 2010, 01:53 PM
    I cant read your mind, it would be easier if you told us instead?


    But I'm not making any assumptions. I know of the existence of something (and can easily prove it), but as far as I know I have never come across nothingness, or ever seen anything to suggest it's existence is possible. You are making the assumption that nothingness is a possible state. For me to answer the question, you'd have to first show how it could be so.
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #22 - November 14, 2010, 07:39 PM
    If it exist or not, why do I have to loose my sleep over it?
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #23 - November 14, 2010, 07:45 PM
    Nothingness can't exist for the simple fact that it can not be observed or demonstrated by beings that live in a 3 +1 dimensional state. For the nothingness to exist there has to be an observer that proves it's existence, but such a being can't exist in nothingness... so in the end there can't be a nothingness.
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    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #24 - November 14, 2010, 07:50 PM
    Coincidence?
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #25 - November 14, 2010, 07:59 PM
    Something will not exist without nothing.

    From the very basic laws of physics, to quantum quantities, we can now start to understand why we have something; instead of nothing.

    Truly hard question, but I simply think, we won't know. Probably not for now though.  Wink 
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #26 - November 14, 2010, 09:34 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on November 14, 2010, 07:19 PM
    But I'm not making any assumptions. I know of the existence of something (and can easily prove it), but as far as I know I have never come across nothingness, or ever seen anything to suggest it's existence is possible. You are making the assumption that nothingness is a possible state. For me to answer the question, you'd have to first show how it could be so.

    Some speculate that outside of this universe we have nothing, are they automatically wrong because they cant show it to you?  Some pantheists Wink speculate that consciousness is in everything, including rocks & stones.  Are they automatically wrong because they cant show how it could be so. If there is something, then I can imagine that its possible for their to be nothing

    If you can have something, then we can surely understand nothing i.e. something - something = nothing.  Or take my earlier example in this case for non-pantheists, when a being dies its consciousness level changes to 0.

    I am not wondering if something can turn into nothing in any case.  I personally dont think it can, and we have proved this with energy in closed systems.  I am only wondering why the default state isnt nothng to begin with, in which case we would still have nothing now.
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #27 - November 14, 2010, 09:47 PM
    Quote from: muddy on November 14, 2010, 07:39 PM
    If it exist or not, why do I have to loose my sleep over it?

    Dont lose any sleep over it, I'm just curious & wonder sometimes.  And you never know, it might teach us something extra about ourselves & the universe. 

    After all, having 'something' is great otherwise there'd be nothing  Cry

    So lets all at least pay homage to 'something' (even if you dont wonder why we have it)
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  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #28 - November 14, 2010, 09:48 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 14, 2010, 09:34 PM
    Some speculate that outside of this universe we have nothing, are they automatically wrong because they cant show it to you?  Some pantheists Wink speculate that consciousness is in everything, including rocks & stones.  Are they automatically wrong because they cant show how it could be so. If there is something, then I can imagine that its possible for their to be nothing

    If you can have something, then we can surely understand nothing i.e. something - something = nothing.  Or take my earlier example in this case for non-pantheists, when a being dies its consciousness level changes to 0.

    I am not wondering if something can turn into nothing in any case.  I personally dont think it can, and we have proved this with energy in closed systems.  I am only wondering why the default state isnt nothng to begin with, in which case we would still have nothing now.


    But the point still stands, you are assuming that 'nothing' is a possible state. And while you can imagine the possibility, I can't. Maybe it isn't a possible state, maybe there exists 'something' because there's no alternative.
  • Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?
     Reply #29 - November 14, 2010, 09:53 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 14, 2010, 09:47 PM
    Dont lose any sleep over it, I'm just curious & wonder sometimes.  And you never know, it might teach us something extra about ourselves & the universe. 

    After all, having 'something' is great otherwise there'd be nothing  Cry

    So lets all at least pay homage to 'something' (even if you dont wonder why we have it)

    Only if scientists ever invent a time machine, we would know. But it is absolutely impossible to go 13.8 billion years ago.
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