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  • Question: How many people who define themselves as "Muslims" are fully conversant with the "Islamist" ideology and at least tacitly support it?
  • <10% - 12 (40%)
  • 10-20% - 3 (10%)
  • 20-30% - 0 (0%)
  • 30-40% - 2 (6.7%)
  • 40-50% - 1 (3.3%)
  • 50-60% - 1 (3.3%)
  • 60-70% - 2 (6.7%)
  • 70-80% - 1 (3.3%)
  • 80-90% - 1 (3.3%)
  • >90% - 1 (3.3%)
  • Fuck DH - 6 (20%)
  • Total Voters: 30

 Topic: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.

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  • Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     OP - November 18, 2010, 05:03 PM
    Let's see if we can reach a consensus here, among people who have actually interacted with, and continue to interact with, Muslims.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #1 - November 18, 2010, 05:27 PM
    If I select the option 'Fuck DH' I will not be answering the question, but I would really like to click 'Fuck DH'.

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    How many people who define themselves as "Muslims" are fully conversant with the "Islamist" ideology

    Not many at all.  LOL. 

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    and at least tacitly support it?

    I would say those who are "fully conversant" probably fully support it too.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #2 - November 18, 2010, 05:50 PM
    I would say that very few muslims (in comparison with the entire population) are conversant with Islam in its entirety (if at all beyond parroted rhetoric and general knowledge)
    Most likely <10%


    However, the general age range of Muslims I come across are 15-35 lower-class Males  in Mainland England (Leeds, bradford,manchester,leicester etc etc) , I have to say that almost none of these people (that I've met) have a god damn clue on anything, especially about their religion, so in my personal experience entirely on it's own (Even in comparison to all others I meet) , it would be <0.1%
    as the sheer level of ignorance of the people who know little/nothing of their religion engulfs the few that do.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #3 - November 18, 2010, 05:57 PM
    I see a pattern emerging...
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #4 - November 18, 2010, 06:26 PM
    I think it would make more sense, particurly if we different people are going to be assigning %'s, if actually define what you mean by Islamist so we are all talking about the same thing

    e.g. somebody that prays 5 times a day & goes to mosque every week, a male that wants to marry a niqabi/girl that only will marry a beardo, somebody that believes its our duty to perform jihad which is defined as holy war because he doesnt pay lip service to shariah law but really wants it & believes in every zionist conspiracy theory under the sun.
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #5 - November 18, 2010, 07:21 PM
    Ye, I agree, Islame. Location would be a big factor here i.e. people here who live in an area with a heavy Muslim presence may have encountered a fair number of 'Islamists' or who are surrounded by particular ethnic groups which take Islam very seriously. Even though, my parents have a dislike for Jews and homosexuals I still wouldn't categorise them as 'Islamists', and I'm not sure about my brother either as he seems more aware of the Islamic theology (hadiths) which do show how Muhammad didn't trust the Jews hence my brother labels most Jews as 'devilish' who are part of a conspiracy to destroy Islam.

    I wouldn't 'Islamist' label on him because I don't think he supports shari'ah law or at least certain areas concerning Islamic jurisprudence on homosexuality and apostasy and he was ashamed of the islamists who burned poppies on armistice day, but I'm sure there are some here (without mentioning any names) that may classify my brother as at least being part of the silent majority who are behind the 'Islamist' ideology.
    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #6 - November 18, 2010, 07:30 PM
    <10%
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #7 - November 18, 2010, 07:49 PM
    Most muslims I've met might do not support the hardcore, violent factions of Islam (like the Taliban, etc), do generally agree with most of what Islam has to say, and believe that it is for the best. They may not pray 5 times a day, but they maintain that a husband punishing his wife is perfectly acceptable, and that non-muslims are inferior. They would probably respond quite happily with the notion of returning to (what they beleive are) the roots of Islam.
    I wouldn't label them Islamist, though, because I associate that with a relatively obvious militant aspect.
    So yeah, as Islame said, might be a good idea to define what is meant by an 'Islamist'.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #8 - November 18, 2010, 07:53 PM
    <10%
    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #9 - November 18, 2010, 10:14 PM
    I think most support armed resistance and some form of sharia law. But I don't think that many adhere to an ideology where its fine to blow up civilians and stuff.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #10 - November 18, 2010, 10:20 PM
    *me thinks i shoulnt have included a fuck DH option*

    If you voted "fuck DH", kindly unfuck him and vote for one of the other options, k thnx.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #11 - November 18, 2010, 10:22 PM
    Not even a dog would want to "fuck" him  Wink
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #12 - November 18, 2010, 10:25 PM
    4 people seem to want to though...
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #13 - November 18, 2010, 10:27 PM
    If it was just the UK, then I would have clicked <10%, but if its the world then, considering there's so many wahabis in Saudi Arabia and in other underdeveloped countries, I guessed 10%-20%. Assuming there's a higher proportion of Islamists in Saudi Arabia than in UK... which actually I'm not too sure about :/
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #14 - November 18, 2010, 10:28 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 18, 2010, 10:14 PM
    I think most support armed resistance and some form of sharia law.

    Armed resistance to what - democracy?
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #15 - November 18, 2010, 10:30 PM
    Less than 10% in UK.

    That doesn't mean the rest cannot be ruthlessly criticised and shamelessly ridiculed for believing in magic and shit like that.

    I also think there is a real risk of hardline far-right haters and hooligans like the EDL stirring up Muslim youth and driving them into a unified extreme anti-national front. But the numbers are still pretty low at this point, on both sides.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #16 - November 18, 2010, 10:33 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on November 18, 2010, 10:28 PM
    Armed resistance to what - democracy?



    ^No resistance against occupation. As for democracy all I can say is: Karzai wasn't elected democratically. Nor was Hosni Mubarak. Neither was Mahmoud Abbas (the 'terrorists' won there remember) I could go on and on.

    No doubt some people will find my views hard to swallow and will accuse me of supporting 'terrorism' seeing as I can't be bothered to argue, I'll just remain quiet  Smiley
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #17 - November 18, 2010, 10:36 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on November 18, 2010, 10:20 PM
    *me thinks i shoulnt have included a fuck DH option*

    If you voted "fuck DH", kindly unfuck him and vote for one of the other options, k thnx.


    Ok people are removing their votes to fuck DH... but aren't picking another one... sort it please...
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #18 - November 18, 2010, 10:39 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 18, 2010, 10:33 PM

    ^No resistance against occupation.


    Are the people exploding bombs in Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, Islamabad and Rawalpindi resisting occupation? When they blow up worshippers inside mosques, in market places, machine gun people to death?

    They are killing normal everyday Pakistanis. Some of them because they are the wrong sect. Some because they just need to keep the jehad fires burning.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #19 - November 18, 2010, 10:40 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 18, 2010, 10:33 PM

    ^No resistance against occupation. As for democracy all I can say is: Karzai wasn't elected democratically. Nor was Hosni Mubarak. Neither was Mahmoud Abbas (the 'terrorists' won there remember) I could go on and on.

    No doubt some people will find my views hard to swallow and will accuse me of supporting 'terrorism' seeing as I can't be bothered to argue, I'll just remain quiet  Smiley

    You think most British muslims support  an armed uprising against UK government & its troops?
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #20 - November 18, 2010, 10:45 PM
    Its troops in Afghanistan? Yh. British troops and govt. here? Most definitely NOT.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #21 - November 18, 2010, 10:49 PM
    Really, most British Muslims want the Taliban back in Afghanistan?
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #22 - November 18, 2010, 11:00 PM
    I think it's a complex issue, and the extent to which Muslims in the West support Islamism is difficult to quantify.  There a lot of cognitive dissonance in the minds of Muslims about this.  Take Thamina's bf, for instance.  On the one hand, he supports Islamism, but at the same time he has a premarital relationship (which is clearly forbidden in Islam).
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #23 - November 18, 2010, 11:04 PM
    Who said anything about the Taliban? Being pro-afghan resistance doesn't make you pro-taliban you know. I don't think even most taliban fighters want such strict laws and aren't religiously driven as the Mullaocracy that controls them!


    About my bf.......if he was alive during the era of someone like Gamal Abdul Nasser or even Ataturk he'd have been a nationalist secularist opposing foreign influence. But bcoz the 'trend' amongst muslims is an Islamic ideology rather than a nationalist or secularist he follows that.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #24 - November 18, 2010, 11:06 PM
    Has the Israelis been another type of Arab instead of Jews, I suspect the reaction to Israel & its atrocities would have been entirely different.

    For that reason I believe its disproportionate, and is exacerbated by the underbelly of racist resentment against Jews.
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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #25 - November 18, 2010, 11:08 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 18, 2010, 11:04 PM
    Who said anything about the Taliban? Being pro-afghan resistance doesn't make you pro-taliban you know. I don't think even most taliban fighters want such strict laws and aren't religiously driven as the Mullaocracy that controls them!



    Well, if the Western "occupiers" of Afghanistan were to suddenly leave the country, who do you think would take over?
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #26 - November 18, 2010, 11:10 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on November 18, 2010, 11:00 PM
    There a lot of cognitive dissonance in the minds of Muslims about this.  Take Thamina's bf, for instance.  On the one hand, he supports Islamism, but at the same time he has a premarital relationship (which is clearly forbidden in Islam).


    Salad bar Muslims tend to cherry-pick whatever suits whichever way of life they like to live at the time.

    They'll have some explaining to do on the Last Day.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #27 - November 18, 2010, 11:12 PM
    Its BCOZ they're Jews (experienced crimes committed against them for centuries) that makes their actions OUTRAGEOUS especially if you think it was muslims who protected them during clergy ran europe! And btw, those israelis happen to be racist against fellow jews. If you ever have spare time, watch below. The guy speaking is an iraqi jew.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emq94B17zXo
  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #28 - November 18, 2010, 11:15 PM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on November 18, 2010, 11:12 PM
    Its BCOZ they're Jews (experienced crimes committed against them for centuries) that makes their actions OUTRAGEOUS especially if you think it was muslims who protected them during clergy ran europe!

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  • Re: Proportion of Muslims who are Islamists.
     Reply #29 - November 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
    Quote from: Telomeme on November 18, 2010, 11:08 PM
    Well, if the Western "occupiers" of Afghanistan were to suddenly leave the country, who do you think would take over?


    Pashtuns. That's who. The current war is just a continuation of the civil war. You'll find that very little pashtuns are part of the afghan security forces despite being the majority in the country!

    You might find the poll in the article below quite disturbing.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66G0D820100717
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