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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #150 - November 27, 2010, 06:21 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on November 27, 2010, 05:44 PM
    Yes I do.  


    Fair enough, why so?  Where has forced assimilation and banning worked completely?

    Quote from: HighOctane on November 27, 2010, 05:44 PM

    I think there is a big difference on economic migrants (moving to thiriving and developed part of the world) and the invasion of lands which pose a threat. Out of topic also. But I like "seeing" your perceptive.



    You didn't get my point at all.  You know what Ummah reasoning is like.  How will you get Muslims to be comfortable with a non Muslim government deciding for them what is good Islam, particularly one that also takes part in controversial wars in Islamic countries?
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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #151 - November 27, 2010, 08:35 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on November 27, 2010, 12:04 PM
    If I don’t convince you on a minaret and ISOC ban,


    I can't understand the obsession these damned Mozlems have with erecting giant phalli at their places of worship, so that they may pay homage to them five times daily.
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #152 - November 27, 2010, 11:19 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on November 27, 2010, 06:21 PM
    Fair enough, why so?  Where has forced assimilation and banning worked completely?


    Forced? Well if you want forced assimilation then there is extreme indoctrination techniques such as training kids to be Taliban suicide bombers:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoGJP02CtPA

    If you are referring to assimilation of general people in society, then force would be somewhere like Saudi I guess. It's pretty forceful under it's uber strict laws. If you are referring to those assimilated out of choice to more developed societies - then I guess America is a good example. A key difference between the US and Europe is the lack of welfare in the US which means people have to get on and earn a living. Parts of the US has almost lost the meaning of being a real Muslim, such as Rima Fakih or Zeba Khan.

    Quote from: ras111 on November 27, 2010, 06:21 PM
    How will you get Muslims to be comfortable with a non Muslim government deciding for them what is good Islam, particularly one that also takes part in controversial wars in Islamic countries?


    As mentioned, Muslims in the UK migrated either currently or originally for economic reasons. The majority in their inner hearts just want a decent living and will respect the law of the land, and will find ways to reason with themselves one way or another. I find it funny when a successful relative of mine hates the UK government for the war in the Middle East, hates Tony Blair, thinks all the news off Sky News is sheer propaganda - but then continues to focus his life around the restaurant business selling van loads of alcohol every week. Is he comfortable with Tony Blair? No. Does he get on with his life to pay taxes that benefit society? Yes.

    Let's wait and see what happens in France, spring 2011.
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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #153 - November 27, 2010, 11:46 PM
    Quote from: Pauk on November 27, 2010, 08:35 PM
    I can't understand the obsession these damned Mozlems have with erecting giant phalli at their places of worship, so that they may pay homage to them five times daily.


    Hi Pauk, don't think we've met. Welcome to the forum. If you've not learned much about Islam then you'll find a wealth of information here, especially it's dark side.

    Mosques don't require the minaret. That minaret is a massive sign of intimidation and accomplishment and it is very divisive. With all that is wrong with Islam (especially on integration and it's divisiveness) and without the necessary reforms it needs - no way do I consider it to be something worth promoting. It is a terrible religion as it currently stands, and the less promotion of it, the better. I’m happy for Muslims to find a place of worship – but I don’t consider it right to promote something that requires serious reforms within it’s own people.

    And here is something that might surprise you, oh and BlackDog too, here is a Muslim who agrees with the minaret ban:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ZXLQE00GY

    Btw, the five times a day prayer in itself is mind indoctrinating - if you've ever looked deep into the prayer, it is revealing. In Islam you repeatedly surrender to Allah under fear - in Christanity you seek for emotional strength (see links on bottom of this page).
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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #154 - November 27, 2010, 11:50 PM
    Which would be why Christians often refer to themselves as "God-fearing"...................... whistling2
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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #155 - November 27, 2010, 11:58 PM
    Right thanks for that HighOctane, where I would be without you guiding me on what Islam  and Christianity really means.

    Also, so what if a muslim is against something or for something? You know there is a fallacy for that argument, I'm sure you know which one.

    These people are also Christians;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzkpuztoJiA

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant

    You should stop these people as well, the evil indoctrination of Christianity must stop now.

  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #156 - November 28, 2010, 12:08 AM
    Quote from: HighOctane on November 27, 2010, 11:46 PM
    Hi Pauk, don't think we've met. Welcome to the forum. If you've not learned much about Islam then you'll find a wealth of information here, especially it's dark side.

    Mosques don't require the minaret. That minaret is a massive sign of intimidation and accomplishment and it is very divisive. With all that is wrong with Islam (especially on integration and it's divisiveness) and without the necessary reforms it needs - no way do I consider it to be something worth promoting. It is a terrible religion as it currently stands, and the less promotion of it, the better. I’m happy for Muslims to find a place of worship – but I don’t consider it right to promote something that requires serious reforms within it’s own people.

    And here is something that might surprise you, oh and BlackDog too, here is a Muslim who agrees with the minaret ban:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ZXLQE00GY

    Btw, the five times a day prayer in itself is mind indoctrinating - if you've ever looked deep into the prayer, it is revealing. In Islam you repeatedly surrender to Allah under fear - in Christanity you seek for emotional strength (see links on bottom of this page).


    It was more of a socratic question in regards to Phallic symbols within Islam.

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    The Latin word phallus (from the Greek phallos) and its derived adjective phallic, adopted in English and in many modern languages, refers to the penis. Any object that visually resembles a penis or acts as a symbol for it may also be referred to as a "phallus"; however, such objects are more correctly referred to as being "phallic". Such symbols often represent the fertility and cultural implications that are associated with the male sexual organ.

  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #157 - November 28, 2010, 12:13 AM
    I think most people here know what "phallic" means. It's hardly an esoteric term.
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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #158 - November 28, 2010, 12:14 AM
    lol ... my bad Pauk.
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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #159 - November 28, 2010, 12:17 AM
    Quote from: BlackDog on November 27, 2010, 11:58 PM
    Also, so what if a muslim is against something or for something? You know there is a fallacy for that argument, I'm sure you know which one.


    I'll start a new thread on it all in fact. I am very interested.

    Quote from: BlackDog on November 27, 2010, 11:58 PM
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant
    You should stop these people as well, the evil indoctrination of Christianity must stop now.


    Hmmm ..... yeah, there's a lot of wrong things with Christianity, I'm not denying that, but from what I've seen with the more reformed strands, it is progress as far as religions go I think.
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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #160 - November 28, 2010, 12:18 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 28, 2010, 12:13 AM
    I think most people here know what "phallic" means. It's hardly an esoteric term.


    Yes. Thats what I thought.
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #161 - November 28, 2010, 04:47 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on November 27, 2010, 11:19 PM

    If you are referring to assimilation of general people in society, then force would be somewhere like Saudi I guess. It's pretty forceful under it's uber strict laws. If you are referring to those assimilated out of choice to more developed societies - then I guess America is a good example. A key difference between the US and Europe is the lack of welfare in the US which means people have to get on and earn a living. Parts of the US has almost lost the meaning of being a real Muslim, such as Rima Fakih or Zeba Khan.




    As far as I'm aware the US government does not interfere in religious affairs and ban things that do not directly incite violence or terrorism.  It definitely did not take Ataturk's approach or try to protect adults from bad memes.  The US is also a big country, it is a nation of immigrants and it is a new country.  Europe is different and has a bigger Muslim population.

    Quote from: HighOctane on November 27, 2010, 11:19 PM

    As mentioned, Muslims in the UK migrated either currently or originally for economic reasons. The majority in their inner hearts just want a decent living and will respect the law of the land, and will find ways to reason with themselves one way or another. I find it funny when a successful relative of mine hates the UK government for the war in the Middle East, hates Tony Blair, thinks all the news off Sky News is sheer propaganda - but then continues to focus his life around the restaurant business selling van loads of alcohol every week. Is he comfortable with Tony Blair? No. Does he get on with his life to pay taxes that benefit society? Yes.


    Did I deny that most didn't have those intentions?  What would your relative's reaction be to an Islam revised by that same government being preached at his masjid ?  Would he also not see that as corrupted?
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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #162 - November 28, 2010, 11:09 PM
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    As far as I'm aware the US government does not interfere in religious affairs and ban things that do not directly incite violence or terrorism.  It definitely did not take Ataturk's approach or try to protect adults from bad memes. 


    The USA certainly did not permit polygamy to continue amongst Mormons. It was quite unequivocal about that particular issue. Religious 'freedom' is bounded in that respect.

    Frankly speaking, I wish Britain would take the same zero tolerance stance when it comes to polygamy amongst Muslims in the UK.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #163 - November 28, 2010, 11:17 PM
    Quote from: billy on November 28, 2010, 11:09 PM
    The USA certainly did not permit polygamy to continue amongst Mormons. It was quite unequivocal about that particular issue. Religious 'freedom' is bounded in that respect.


    That was, and continues to be, unjust.

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    Frankly speaking, I wish Britain would take the same zero tolerance stance when it comes to polygamy amongst Muslims in the UK.


    Assuming multiple benefits, and other practical issues vis-a-vis the state, were not an issue, how would the state be justified in prohibiting polygamy? Seems like a violation of the right of free association to me.
    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #164 - November 28, 2010, 11:28 PM

    Its bigamy, thats why it ought to be cracked down on. For a start.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #165 - November 28, 2010, 11:32 PM
    Quote from: billy on November 28, 2010, 11:09 PM
    The USA certainly did not permit polygamy to continue amongst Mormons. It was quite unequivocal about that particular issue. Religious 'freedom' is bounded in that respect.

    Frankly speaking, I wish Britain would take the same zero tolerance stance when it comes to polygamy amongst Muslims in the UK.




    Bigamy in and of itself isn't bad if practiced completely voluntarily ( well bigamy is wrong in the sense that it should be polygamy that should be allowed) . Unfortunately or fortunately it is the practices around polygamy that fuck it up.  For Islam it is the inequality in marriage and the lack of the wife's say so in the husband taking a second wife and unequal divorce equality that fucks it up and for Mormons it is underage woman getting coerced to marry older men and the older men threatening younger men to leave so that they can have more young women.    
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #166 - November 28, 2010, 11:35 PM

    Not to mention the attendant dysfunction and exploitation, sexual abuse, tendency to coerced marriage and other issues that flourish under polygamous societies.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #167 - November 28, 2010, 11:38 PM
    You and HO should have consequentialist babies, billy. Hopefully they get the brains from your side.
    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #168 - November 28, 2010, 11:42 PM

    Q-Man, you know that I concur with you on enough issues for us to have consequentialist babies ourselves Afro

    (whatever that means)
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #169 - November 28, 2010, 11:57 PM
    billy, if we ever have babies, they will not be consequentialist babies. They will be but pure butt babies, born not of ideology or love, but solely of blistering, mind-blowing anal sex.
    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #170 - November 29, 2010, 12:00 AM
     Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #171 - November 29, 2010, 12:02 AM
    blistering anal sex  vomit
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #172 - November 29, 2010, 12:03 AM
    Quote from: Q-Man on November 28, 2010, 11:57 PM
    billy, if we ever have babies, they will not be consequentialist babies. They will be but pure butt babies, born not of ideology or love, but solely of blistering, mind-blowing anal sex.

    no wonder you wanted him to post photos, not that it matters judging by your plans for him on the reverse side
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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #173 - November 29, 2010, 05:36 AM
    Quote from: DH
    Could you please clarify Q-man: do you accept that non-Muslim parents have morally legitimate grounds for objection to halal meat being surreptitiously sneaked into their kids' school meals? A simple YES or NO will suffice.


    You see, what I want to clarify Q-man is if your advice HERE aimed at non-Muslims objectors to being fed halal meat by supermarkets to "shut the fuck up" also applies to non-Muslim parents who object to having political authorities sneaking halal meat into their kids' school meals. Should such parents "shut the fuck up" in your opinion? A simple YES or NO is all I require.
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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #174 - November 29, 2010, 05:40 AM
    Quote from: Q-Man
    Assuming multiple benefits, and other practical issues vis-a-vis the state, were not an issue, how would the state be justified in prohibiting polygamy? Seems like a violation of the right of free association to me.


    There is another aspect when it comes to Muslims. Permitting them to practice polygamy will result in an increase in the Muslim/"Islamist" population considerably more rapid than at present. It's commonly called "demographic jihad".
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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #175 - November 29, 2010, 11:07 AM
    I'm going to take the Q-Manist approach and tell you to 'shut the fuck up', as I've addressed this perceived notion of 'demographic jihad' and spoken about why it's total and utter nonsense based on paranoia and to an extent, bigotry. You have failed to address me multiple times, demanding I provide statistical evidence for the contrary to claims you make WITHOUT evidence. Stop using statistics, you have no fucking clue how to analyse them. I've even gone as far as to recommend you a book to read(which isn't too mathematical tbh, written for the laymen) yet you've constantly ignored my refutations.

    I'm not generally an asshole but jesus fucking christ.
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #176 - November 29, 2010, 11:19 AM
    Shut up, we see through your your lies you Taqiyya tactician.  Tell us how many Al Shabab militants you have in your cellar waiting for the right time to come out and claim Europe for the Caliphate
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  • Re: UK university hosts ?anti-West? week under ?justice' guise
     Reply #177 - November 29, 2010, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on November 28, 2010, 11:38 PM
    You and HO should have consequentialist babies, billy. Hopefully they get the brains from your side.


    Crossfire ... you're done for billy, any shred of similar opinion to me now and it's all Us vs Them as perception!  Gotta love human instincts.
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  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #178 - November 29, 2010, 10:47 PM
     Roll Eyes

    fuck you
  • Re: UK university hosts ‘anti-West’ week under ‘justice' guise
     Reply #179 - November 30, 2010, 05:35 AM
    Quote from: "serrated_colon
    I'm going to take the Q-Manist approach and tell you to 'shut the fuck up', as I've addressed this perceived notion of 'demographic jihad' and spoken about why it's total and utter nonsense....


    Unfortunately there are people who call themselves "Muslims" who think otherwise:

    Quote
    Procreation (Children)

    One of the most important purposes of marriage is to continue and increase the population of the Muslims. Clearly, this goal could be achieved without marriage, but when actions are undertaken in disobedience to Allah, they do not receive the blessing of Allah and the whole society is corrupted. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:

    "Marry, for I will outnumber the other nations by you on Qiyama." [Ibn Majah - Sahih]

    SOURCE. Want some more examples?

    It is precisely these sort of Muslims (the true believers) who will be most likely to take advantage of polygamy legalization in the west and will make up any "shortfall" in available Muslim women to marry by seeking out non-Muslim women to convert to Islam - thereby simultaneously acquiring more "wombs for Allah" and depriving the kuffar of female "breeding units".
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