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OP - November 26, 2010, 09:59 AM

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Reply #1 - November 26, 2010, 11:07 AM

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they should enforce on these rogues..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332746/Asian-gang-raped-girls-young-12-picking-streets-sex.html

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they start with criminal activities and after few years they grow beard preach Islam or join taliban or start their own Taliban Islamic organization ...

Idiots...

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Reply #2 - November 26, 2010, 11:11 AM

Arresting somebody for burning the Qur'an(which I find to be ridiculous) is far from enforcing Shari'a. It's just a load of bollocks, through and through.

If somebody burns Principia Mathematica, I expect SHIT TO GO DOWN now.
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Reply #3 - November 26, 2010, 11:11 AM

oshit godel already did that, KILL THAT GERMAN FUCKERRRRRRRR

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Reply #4 - November 26, 2010, 11:33 AM

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Reply #5 - November 26, 2010, 12:00 PM

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And that lady

Catherine Heseltine
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The Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPACUK) is proud to announce that our new Chief Executive Officer is Catherine Heseltine. Since joining MPACUK in 2003, Catherine has made a consistently outstanding contribution to the work of the organisation. Her various roles have included working as the head of our campaigns team, appearing on television documentaries including Channel 4's 'Women Only Jihad', as a media spokesperson and mentoring new members.

She says
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'Sacred thing'

Catherine Heseltine, chief executive officer of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, said burning the Koran was one of the most offensive acts to Muslims that she could imagine.

She said: "The Koran is the most sacred thing to over a billion Muslims worldwide."

"You can see that in the way Muslims treat the Koran, washing before touching it and in many Muslim homes you will find it on the top shelf above all other books and we will never destroy the Koranic texts."

"We believe it is the word of God. God's guidance for us in this life," she added.

What that silly lady doesn't know is this
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"Quran is NOT 'Sacred thing' but it is Scary thing"

and if one follows it word to word then It is horror thing., horror in their lives and horror in other lives around them..

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Reply #6 - November 26, 2010, 05:33 PM

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What that silly lady doesn't know is this

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"Quran is NOT 'Sacred thing' but it is Scary thing"

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and if one follows it word to word then It is horror thing., horror in their lives and horror in other lives around them..

There seem to be quite a few of her ilk around!

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Reply #7 - November 26, 2010, 05:48 PM

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Catherine Heseltine, chief executive officer of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, said burning the Koran was one of the most offensive acts to Muslims that she could imagine.

She said: "The Koran is the most sacred thing to over a billion Muslims worldwide."

"You can see that in the way Muslims treat the Koran, washing before touching it and in many Muslim homes you will find it on the top shelf above all other books and we will never destroy the Koranic texts."

Well maybe someone should ask her how old Qurans that have fallen apart are disposed of? The preferred method is actually burning them. One would think she should know this as the head of a Mozlem group.

Sometimes I wish these Mozlimahs would wear their obligatory face veils as well.

As an afterthought, i thought good Mozlimahs were forbidden to leave their house, and also expressly forbidden from leadership positions?
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Reply #8 - November 26, 2010, 06:09 PM

Finally the penny has dropped. Given the propensity of girls for absolute jerks these days[tentatively, I feel it's an exclusive western phenomenon] it's no wonder that when it comes to religion[which is thought of as a BASIC NEED{RIDICULOUS}] they choose Islam of all the religions! With their half baked understanding and distorted views they conceive something that really doesn't exist

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Reply #9 - November 26, 2010, 07:07 PM

Quote from: Pauk on November 26, 2010, 05:48 PM

As an afterthought, i thought good Mozlimahs were forbidden to leave their house, and also expressly forbidden from leadership positions?

This one is useful, white lady convert, kept her English name, good for propaganda purposes

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Reply #10 - November 26, 2010, 10:25 PM

The Police arrest the girl because it either a) suggests there is deep hatred towards Muslims or b) it offends Muslims and may cause social disharmony

Neither of which I find remotely valid I think. Any other plausible reasons?

It's far from Sharia DH, it's more about the confusion with the impact of burning the quran.

I was thinking, there are valid offences; then there are invalid feelings of offence. A valid one would be for example urinating over the graveyards of WWII veterans who died for you. An invalid offence would be one like the quran, Allah or Mohammed: memeplexes which have engineered false sacredness in things that don't by principle should not have any sacredness for what they stand and represent.

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Reply #11 - November 26, 2010, 11:53 PM

It is retarded " multiculturalism" in which groups get to claim the right not to be offended by other groups in the interest. Of course those who have the least stringent claims get the short end of the stick to those who demand the most respect. Britain needs to drop the act of trying to get everyone not to offend anyone and let everyone offend everyone. In the end the ones who still stick to being offended will get seen as the emotional children they are while the rest will just shrug it off.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #12 - November 27, 2010, 12:05 AM

WTF is 'inciting religious hatred'. Islam already hates me.
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Reply #13 - November 27, 2010, 10:54 AM

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It is interesting to ponder what would happen if all the anit-kafir passages of the Koran were published in a book with the words "kafir, jew, christian etc" replaced with "Muslim" eg

His likeness is that of a DOG....That is the likeness of the Kafirs (Koran 7:176)

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Reply #14 - November 27, 2010, 11:14 AM

Catherine Heseltine, chief executive officer of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, said burning the Koran was one of the most offensive acts to Muslims that she could imagine.

She said: "The Koran is the most sacred thing to over a billion Muslims worldwide."

"You can see that in the way Muslims treat the Koran, washing before touching it and in many Muslim homes you will find it on the top shelf above all other books and we will never destroy the Koranic texts."

Well BOO HOO Cathy! The Koran is chock full of passages which are intentionally offensive to the persons and beliefs of anybody and everybody that doesn't believe it was sent down from heaven. If you want to implicitly endorse the "kafir"-demonizing contents of that piece of crap by calling yourself a Muslim and proudly wearing the uniform of hizbullah:

you got no moral grounds to complain if those your "holy book" disrespects repays that in kind.

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Reply #15 - November 27, 2010, 11:16 AM

Quote from: DH on November 27, 2010, 10:54 AM
It is interesting to ponder what would happen if all the anit-kafir passages of the Koran were published in a book with the words "kafir, jew, christian etc" replaced with "Muslim" eg

His likeness is that of a DOG....That is the likeness of the Kafirs (Koran 7:176)

Let me give you the full version of that 7:176, so that people do not misunderstand with few clipped words Mr. DH..

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YUSUFALI: If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth, and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog: if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs; So relate the story; perchance they may reflect.

PICKTHAL: And had We willed We could have raised him by their means, but he clung to the earth and followed his own lust. Therefor his likeness is as the likeness of a dog: if thou attackest him he panteth with his tongue out, and if thou leavest him he panteth with his tongue out. Such is the likeness of the people who deny Our revelations. Narrate unto them the history (of the men of old), that haply they may take thought.

SHAKIR: And if We had pleased, We would certainly have exalted him thereby; but he clung to the earth and followed his low desire, so his parable is as the parable of the dog; if you attack him he lolls out his tongue; and if you leave him alone he lolls out his tongue; this is the parable of the people who reject Our communications; therefore relate the narrative that they may reflect.

it is clear from that verse Muhammad and his followers hated those who questioned him., so they compare such person with "DOG" . Not only that verse there are many verses that spill hate on those who question Muhammad/Islam/Quran.

in other words., It is not a special verse for kafirs.

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Reply #16 - November 27, 2010, 11:28 AM

Yezevee. My "few clipped words" adequately capture the essence of those verses. "Those who reject our communications/signs" is just another way of saying "kafirs" ie the verse IS likening Kafirs to DOGS. Leaving in the words "if you attack him he lolls out his tongue; and if you leave him alone he lolls out his tongue" would be inaccurate with regard to the Muslim and would have to be altered to ""if you attack him he bites you; and if you leave him alone he bites you".

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it is clear from that verse Muhammad and his followers hated those who questioned him., so they compare such person with "DOG" .

And it is equally clear that such persons fall into the ranks of the Kafirs.

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Reply #17 - November 27, 2010, 11:36 AM

How is that enforcing sharia? its against the law to insight hatred, it is to keep public order. plus one of them was giving threats, which are also illegal. Personally I am completely opposed to any kind of 'book' burnings even if that book is stupid and full of nonsense.

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Reply #18 - November 27, 2010, 09:45 PM

Quote from: DH on November 27, 2010, 10:54 AM
It is interesting to ponder what would happen if all the anit-kafir passages of the Koran were published in a book with the words "kafir, jew, christian etc" replaced with "Muslim" eg

His likeness is that of a DOG....That is the likeness of the Kafirs (Koran 7:176)

Y'know, I actually like that idea. It would be an interesting publication.

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Reply #19 - November 27, 2010, 09:56 PM

I thought about doing something that. Write a book that has a storyline with a hero that goes along and helps people, but intermittently have random passages bashing Muslims subtly based off Quranic passages. If anyone complained just say they were taken out of context and when they continue to complain take a Quran and show the similarities between the passages.

Also point out how much of the book has good things in it like the hero helping out people in need, giving his things to the poor etc. Also point out that this book was written in a fairy tail land where those passages are relevant but emphatically explain that they don't apply to the here and now.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #20 - November 27, 2010, 11:58 PM

Well you could do it that way but I think the more direct approach would be more effective, as well as requiring a lot less work. Just take the actual suras and/or ahadith and do a bit of basic word substitution. It would demonstrate the point very clearly.

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Reply #21 - November 28, 2010, 01:35 AM

Quote from: DH on November 27, 2010, 11:14 AM
"You can see that in the way Muslims treat the Koran, washing before touching it and in many Muslim homes you will find it on the top shelf above all other books...[/b]

I noticed that in my university's bookshop the Qur'an was on the top shelf. Wonder if a Muslim had anythin' to do with that?
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Reply #22 - November 28, 2010, 09:56 AM

Instead of being on the top shelf, you should have dumped it on the floor & used it as a doorstop

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Reply #23 - November 28, 2010, 10:23 AM

This happened near my city. It was only a matter of time this happened. There's so much faith and different religions surrounding us here; that often tensions rise high.

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Reply #24 - November 29, 2010, 05:25 AM

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How is that enforcing sharia?

Desecrating the Koran would get you picked up by what passes for the police in Islamic states - if an angry Muslim mob didn't get to you first.

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its against the law to insight hatred,

Well burning the Koran is bound to incite hatred in Muslims towards the burner. That in itself is not a good reason to arrest someone.

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it is to keep public order.

How does burning the Koran lead to public disorder except among Muslims who riot in response?

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Reply #25 - December 02, 2010, 06:33 AM

Wondering how Catherine Heseltine came to be dressed as shown above I found her "reversion" story HERE

From above-linked article:

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“Growing up in North London, we never practised religion at home; I always thought it was slightly old-fashioned and irrelevant. But when I met my future husband, Syed, in the sixth form, he challenged all my preconceptions. He was young, Muslim, believed in God – and yet he was normal. The only difference was that, unlike most teenage boys, he never drank.

This and the other female "reversion" stories in the same article are very common. Their decision to become Muslim is typically taken on the basis of very superficial considerations like being sexually attracted to a particular Muslim man: usually their "understanding" of Islam is gleaned from Muslim-written books/internet articles ABOUT the religion which challenge their "misconceptions" and they generally have already taken the decision to become Muslim before even reading a page of the Koran - which is now a mere formality.

This is why "nice" interpretations of Islam must be taken issue with wherever they arise - even if those propagating those "interpretations" actually believe them or have deluded themselves of those "interpretations'" Qur'anic validity.

This statement of Heseltine stands out:

“A year later, we were head over heels in love, but we quickly realised: how could we be together if he was a Muslim and I wasn’t?

Obviously her husband-to-be made their marriage incumbent on her becoming Muslim - obeying the Koranic injunction against Muslims marrying disbelievers. Such a person cannot by any stretch of the imagination be regarded as a "moderate".

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Reply #26 - December 02, 2010, 07:12 AM

Islam allows Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women. However it does not allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. So, the answer to "how could we be together if he was a Muslim and I wasn’t?" is "Very easily. Just have a standard Islamic wedding."

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Reply #27 - December 02, 2010, 08:19 AM

Osmanthus. The Koran permits Muslim men to marry the "virtuous" women of the "People of the Book". This does not encompass ANY non-Muslim woman - even if she calls herself a Christian or a Jew. See Koran 2:222 in this regard.

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Reply #28 - December 02, 2010, 12:36 PM

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See Koran 2:222 in this regard

Sorry. That should have been 2:221:

Do not marry idolatresses until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an idolatress, even though she allures you.

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Reply #29 - December 02, 2010, 12:41 PM

Idolatoresses refers to the Pagans and polytheists, however, Xtian and Jewish women of good moral character can be married.

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