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Reply #30 - November 30, 2010, 01:08 AM

No offense to you ras, but you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously-- no offense but you don't.

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Reply #31 - November 30, 2010, 01:08 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on November 30, 2010, 01:00 AM
Whatever-- when I see a protest or picket line or a boycott I don't think of what every single person there is thinking of, I concentrate on what the goals of the action are. I support the goals of this protest, and this is only one group among many (including secularists, Christians and Jews) performing one action among many in the broader Israeli divestment campaign. The tactical effectiveness of this particular protest is debatable, but it doesn't immediately strike me as stupid as it seems to for you and others here.

What I see is a bunch of people needlessly getting their panties in a bunch over a video of a few hijabis non-violently protesting Israel.

I'm neither pleased nor displeased, more astonished as to how many people here seem to have a stick up their fuckin asses about it.

Wow it's like you didn't read anything I just wrote. Why bother to quote my post?

It's not that I do not support the action, to be quite honest with you however I see fault on both the Palestinian and Israeli sides, of course I want peace there and either 2 states or a good pluralist state where both can coexist peacefully without making mince-meat of each other. I think they could go a better way about it however, by all means have your say, I have no problem in them doing so, the method however I do not think the best.
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Reply #32 - November 30, 2010, 01:11 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on November 30, 2010, 01:08 AM
No offense to you ras, but you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously-- no offense but you don't.

Why don't I know what I'm talking about? Would you have liked to see organisations such as the KKK (using an exaggerated example) publicly showing support for a cause that you favoured for one? It wouldn't be good publicity to say the least. Would you have believed their stated intentions and reasons for their opinions?

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Reply #33 - November 30, 2010, 01:17 AM

Quote from: ras111 on November 30, 2010, 01:01 AM
Yes my mistake USB flash drives are the Israeli invention

Did you forget a "not" in the above sentence?

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Reply #34 - November 30, 2010, 01:18 AM

Quote from: HighOctane on November 30, 2010, 01:17 AM
Did you forget a "not" in the above sentence?

No I forgot to put a comma after mistake

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Reply #35 - November 30, 2010, 01:20 AM

Quote from: ras111 on November 30, 2010, 01:11 AM
Why don't I know what I'm talking about? Would you have liked to see organisations such as the KKK (using an exaggerated example) publicly showing support for a cause that you favoured for one? It wouldn't be good publicity to say the least. Would you have believed their stated intentions and reasons for their opinions?

Look, organizing boycotts is one of the many functions of my job. Not the particular one, but I'm familiar enough with it. The Israeli divestment campaign is driven by a very broad and diverse coalition of organizations and individuals, having political litmus test for anyone involved is extremely impractical in such a situation. As far as inconveniencing people is concerned, well if that were the standard by which political protests and direct action were set, there'd be almost none at all. And in this particular case causing inconvenience to the store will serve their aims-- they can likely get more done by annoying the hell out of Tescos and causing some level of disruption to their operations, than hoping for a majority of disparate and unorganized consumers to uphold the boycott.

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Reply #36 - November 30, 2010, 01:22 AM

Quote from: ras111 on November 30, 2010, 01:18 AM
No I forgot to put a comma after mistake

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Reply #37 - November 30, 2010, 01:23 AM

Fair enough but I think a better way to do that would be to go round the store and get all they can find and then go to the middle say and start a loud speech about it, or standing outside the doors being noisy.
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Reply #38 - November 30, 2010, 01:23 AM

Quote from: HighOctane on November 30, 2010, 01:17 AM
Did you forget a "not" in the above sentence?

flash drives are different than USB though one does use the other often.

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Reply #39 - November 30, 2010, 01:25 AM

USB is the connecting interface; flash is the memory type. The two can co-exist in the same device.

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Reply #40 - November 30, 2010, 01:26 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on November 30, 2010, 01:20 AM
Look, organizing boycotts is one of the many functions of my job. Not the particular one, but I'm familiar enough with it. The Israeli divestment campaign is driven by a very broad and diverse coalition of organizations and individuals, having political litmus test for anyone involved is extremely impractical in such a situation. As far as inconveniencing people is concerned, well if that were the standard by which political protests and direct action were set, there'd be almost none at all. And in this particular case causing inconvenience to the store will serve their aims-- they can likely get more done by annoying the hell out of Tescos and causing some level of disruption to their operations, than hoping for a majority of disparate and unorganized consumers to uphold the boycott.

I take it that you don't simply join forces with every political group out there, even if they happen to have the same opinions as you do as regards certain issues. How is pissing off Tescos and customers who want just want to shop in peace going to help the Palestinians? People are quite aware of what's happening there. If they become too much of an inconvenience than security can always be called in.

Do you think it is right that people going about their daily lives have to go through these inconveniences because of things that have no control over and nothing to do with?

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Reply #41 - November 30, 2010, 01:31 AM

Hmm ... I thought flash memory was mostly a US invention? Damn sacred stuff ... processes out there, needing memory ... numbers to crunch ... data to process ... messages to send ... information to flow ... decisions to make ... economic development for all ... alright I’ll get my coat. Night.

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Reply #42 - November 30, 2010, 01:34 AM

Quote from: Lilyesque on November 30, 2010, 01:23 AM
Fair enough but I think a better way to do that would be to go round the store and get all they can find and then go to the middle say and start a loud speech about it, or standing outside the doors being noisy.

Then the cops get called, the protest likely ends unless preparations for arrest have already been made, then it's harder for them to get in another time. Whereas this way they jam up things for hours-- the shelves have to be restocked, could lead to overtime costs for the company-- and the likelihood of confrontation with police reduced.

Trust me, I know how this shit works.

Quote from: ras111 on November 30, 2010, 01:26 AM
I take it that you don't simply join forces with every political group out there, even if they happen to have the same opinions as you do as regards certain issues.

No, but come on, let's be fucking realistic-- how the fuck are you going to hope to pull off a successful divestment campaign on Israel without the involvement of Muslim organizations?

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How is pissing off Tescos and customers who want just want to shop in peace going to help the Palestinians? People are quite aware of what's happening there. If they become too much of an inconvenience than security can always be called in.

I already explained the general mechanics of how a protest like this fits in with an overall boycott, and I explained a bit more about this particular tactic to Lilyesque above.

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Do you think it is right that people going about their daily lives have to go through these inconveniences because of things that have no control over and nothing to do with?

Direct action can often be inconveniencing. Strikes inconvenience consumers and other parties that aren't directly tied to the dispute, political protests can inconvenience drivers, pedestrians, and put an additional burden of taxpayers. Lots of things we do in life cause inconvenience to people directly or indirectly. That's life. I don't consider it an injustice to the shoppers.

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Reply #43 - November 30, 2010, 01:48 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on November 30, 2010, 01:34 AM
Then the cops get called, the protest likely ends unless preparations for arrest have already been made, then it's harder for them to get in another time. Whereas this way they jam up things for hours-- the shelves have to be restocked, could lead to overtime costs for the company-- and the likelihood of confrontation with police reduced.

Trust me, I know how this shit works.

And I suppose the owner does have the right to take the protesters to court and sue them for losses, and technology for IDing people exists too.

Quote from: Q-Man on November 30, 2010, 01:34 AM

No, but come on, let's be fucking realistic-- how the fuck are you going to hope to pull off a successful divestment campaign on Israel without the involvement of Muslim organizations?

Depends on what sort of organisations they are and what links they have.

Quote from: Q-Man on November 30, 2010, 01:34 AM

Direct action can often be inconveniencing. Strikes inconvenience consumers and other parties that aren't directly tied to the dispute, political protests can inconvenience drivers, pedestrians, and put an additional burden of taxpayers. Lots of things we do in life cause inconvenience to people directly or indirectly. That's life. I don't consider it an injustice to the shoppers.

So what if it happens in life? Do I have to be inconvenienced every time some fucker has an issue? Is that supposed to make me sympthatise with the cause? Tactics like those only hurt the common people not the perpetrators and in the long run they are also counter productive to those they are intended to support, if it happens for a long time on a mass scale. I hope you don't consider it an injustice if someone gets pissed off and gives the trouble makers in the shop a good shoeing.

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Reply #44 - November 30, 2010, 01:53 AM

Oh Jesus Christ, I give up.

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Reply #45 - November 30, 2010, 02:09 AM

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Reply #46 - November 30, 2010, 05:49 AM

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Not me. I don't have a problem with non-violent political activism, protests, and boycotts, especially if I agree with the aims, and I do agree with the aims of the Israeli divestment campaign.

So what ARE the aims of the Israeli divestment campaign? BTW, would you support a similar campaign against Pakistan, Egypt and other countries that fail to adequately protect the human rights of their native non-Muslim inhabitants?

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Reply #47 - November 30, 2010, 06:10 AM

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Reply #48 - November 30, 2010, 04:07 PM

DH, would you support a divestment campaign against Israel or other countries like Israel that abuse the human rights of muslims?

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Reply #49 - November 30, 2010, 04:22 PM

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DH, would you support a divestment campaign against Israel or other countries like Israel that abuse the human rights of muslims?

How is Israel doing that exactly?

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Reply #50 - November 30, 2010, 11:03 PM

Quote from: ras111 on November 30, 2010, 12:28 AM
"Palestinian child gets shot every 5 minutes... "

The war would have ended a long time ago if that were true..

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Reply #51 - December 01, 2010, 04:50 AM

Why did those muslim girls even bother? Seriously, its a waste of time, arguing over stupid little shit. Who the fuck cares if some fruit is from Israel? Palestinians are not being shot every 5 minutes, and I'm not pro-Israeli by the way, I think both Israel and Palestine are just as guilty and just as fucking stupid.

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Reply #52 - December 01, 2010, 04:52 AM

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I'm not pro-Israeli by the way, I think both Israel and Palestine are just as guilty and just as fucking stupid.

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Reply #53 - December 01, 2010, 05:35 AM

That was the stupidest PR stunt I have ever seen! As if the staff at Tesco or the customers really care about Palestine, which they probably don't. If these people have a problem with Tesco selling Israeli products they should take it up with the corporate HQ, not take it out on some hapless employees and people who just want to do their shopping.

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Reply #54 - December 01, 2010, 05:52 AM

I'm not holding my breath to see them protest for the rights of Kurds in Turkey and Iran

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Reply #55 - December 01, 2010, 10:51 AM

Quote from: Cool Canadian on December 01, 2010, 04:50 AM
Why did those muslim girls even bother? Seriously, its a waste of time, arguing over stupid little shit. Who the fuck cares if some fruit is from Israel? Palestinians are not being shot every 5 minutes, and I'm not pro-Israeli by the way, I think both Israel and Palestine are just as guilty and just as fucking stupid.

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I think both Israel and Palestine are just as guilty and just as fucking stupid.

FAIR ENOUGH! But I get pissed off when someone's heart starts bleeding so easily without seeing the whole picture.

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Reply #56 - December 01, 2010, 12:31 PM

Quote from: Lilyesque on November 30, 2010, 12:19 AM
It's almost as bad as if they went round looking for stuff containing pork and alcohol in it and saying this is HARAM, this is offending our sensibilities. Political shopping is the act of NOT buying stuff which you do not like, use it silly people! This was just stupidity to the N'th degree.

Not quite. This is not that much to do with about offending Muslims as it is to do with the actual fact these goods tesco sells are providing finance to a government which is continuing to allow settlements to be built in palestinian territory. As someone else mentioned, I question their intentions, I mean they would never raise such a protest if Tesco were selling fruits imported from Sri Lanka weher the government has been reportedly involved in genocide of Tamils.

It was more them trying to create a scene than anything else imo.

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Reply #57 - December 01, 2010, 12:38 PM

Quote from: ras111 on December 01, 2010, 05:52 AM
I'm not holding my breath to see them protest for the rights of Kurds in Turkey and Iran

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Add the end of the day - it's the fact these are Muslim lives which is the reason they are protesting. I have no problem but please show some fucking consistency. The Israeli government and the Palestinian authorities are both at fault. I wouldn't buy fruits from either personally lol.

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Reply #58 - December 01, 2010, 08:27 PM

Quote from: Heyjustlooking on December 01, 2010, 12:38 PM
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Add the end of the day - it's the fact these are Muslim lives which is the reason they are protesting. I have no problem but please show some fucking consistency.

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Reply #59 - December 01, 2010, 08:55 PM

Quote from: Shahid Raza on November 29, 2010, 11:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMAJHZARtlI

So supermarkets sell Israeli goods. This is nothing new.

Fun-fact: A lot of Palestinian goods (tomatoes for example) get re-branded as Israeli goods. Why? Because afaik all Palestinian goods get shipped out thorough Israel and Israeli customs discriminate against Palestinian exporters by delaying shipment of their goods. Tomatoes labelled "Israel" go straight to EU but "Gaza" labelled ones don't - often until they are spoiled.
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