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OP - December 01, 2010, 11:21 AM

As much as i hate any topic on death, being an ex-muslim there was often talk by people around me on how death cannot be anticipated and they give examples of young children passing away. yet all those deaths were due to some sort of illness. I still hear the ocassional story of some youth in perfectly good health dying and of course assosiating that to god/religion.

As far as science goes, can a perfectly healthy person die?

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Reply #1 - December 01, 2010, 11:33 AM

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Reply #2 - December 01, 2010, 11:35 AM

You mean a 'seemingly perfect healthy human'. They may seem healthy, but that doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with them that we aren't able to see. Sometimes an illness an be symptomless. At times, our medical knowledge just isn't good enough to get to the bottom of the cause of death. That doesn't mean there isn't a perfectly reasonable explanation. Saying 'god did it' doesn't make it so.

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Reply #3 - December 01, 2010, 02:23 PM

I guess he is asking if a healthy person can die a natural death. For natural death, usually there is some scientific reason, but I have seen a Grey's Anatomy episode where a person survived many surgeries but couldn't survive a small very regular procedure, and her autopsy was also found clueless.
Again, that doesn't mean there is no scientific reason. It just mean the cause can not be diagnosed.

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Reply #4 - December 01, 2010, 04:53 PM

There must be a scientific reason.
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Reply #5 - December 01, 2010, 05:30 PM

A person could easily die if "healthy" from say a snake bite quite rapidly.
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Reply #6 - December 01, 2010, 07:03 PM

No one dies perfectly healthy per-se , there is often an underlying issue that no one is aware of.

Heart Attacks through excessive exercise is a common occurrence.
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Reply #7 - December 01, 2010, 09:26 PM

Quote from: mighty_cats on December 01, 2010, 07:03 PM

Heart Attacks through excessive exercise is a common occurrence.

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Reply #8 - December 02, 2010, 01:26 PM

Quote from: muddy on December 01, 2010, 02:23 PM
I guess he is asking if a healthy person can die a natural death. For natural death, usually there is some scientific reason, but I have seen a Grey's Anatomy episode where a person survived many surgeries but couldn't survive a small very regular procedure, and her autopsy was also found clueless.
Again, that doesn't mean there is no scientific reason. It just mean the cause can not be diagnosed.

if i were a muslim at the mo i would have merely said" subhanallah" to justify my lack of understanding, its just not that simple anymore!

I also understand the complexity of the human body, but seeing science use the term "natural death" for something (an illness) it couldnt diagnose (prove), kinda makes me think of "religion" used to claim "gods" with no proof!

so since science has not yet reached the level required to provide flawless diagnosis of a humans health, we will have to consider the term "perfectly healthy" being nothing more than "good, with room for things to go wrong"

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Reply #9 - December 02, 2010, 03:11 PM

Just want to give you definitions:
Natural death: Occurs when a person dies on its own for its own biology.
Unnatural death: Occurs when a person is killed by someone else or commits suicide.

For natural death, there are always scientific reasons. Some rare occurrences might not have been discovered yet, but again, there is NO GOD WILL involve in it.

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Reply #10 - December 02, 2010, 03:20 PM

Quote from: muddy on December 02, 2010, 03:11 PM
Some rear occurrences might not have been discovered yet, but again, there is NO GOD WILL involve in it.

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Reply #11 - December 02, 2010, 03:25 PM

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