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  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #30 - December 06, 2010, 04:59 PM

    Welcome, Nessa. If you absolutely must be in an organized religion, perhaps this would appeal to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalist_Association



    i dont get it lol....its another part of christianity right?...but it doesnt say anything about jesus..and isnt that like the core belief of christanity?? that jesus was crucified??(which is something i dont believe in)

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #31 - December 06, 2010, 05:01 PM

    im 21....and until i can get a job and graduate i have to put up with it...although it can be really hard...for instance right now im at my uni libuary and yes im wearing hijab...do i like it? NO but i have no choice so i gotta put up with it!


    far away hug

    There are many closeted ex-Muslims here too - me included. Come and rant here anytime.  Wink

    "He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife."
    ~ Douglas Adams
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #32 - December 06, 2010, 05:02 PM

    or again if you want to follow something then there's always humanism which would probably be the most popular here, but this one does without God so it might not suit you so well

    http://www.humanism.org.uk/humanism

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  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #33 - December 06, 2010, 05:03 PM

    king tut...still reading about it...but a part of me just wants to give up right now... im getting tired of trying to find "the right religion".... blahh im in a weird mood today mysmilie_977


    Don't worry we have all felt like that, I did this for years, even kept going back to Islam, being a Sufi. Until I realized to I really need magical thinking or truth? and I decided to choose truth.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #34 - December 06, 2010, 05:06 PM

    far away hug

    There are many closeted ex-Muslims here too - me included. Come and rant here anytime.  Wink


    lol i dont think u want me to start ranting cuz then i wont shut up:p

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #35 - December 06, 2010, 05:07 PM

    or again if you want to follow something then there's always humanism which would probably be the most popular here, but this one does without God so it might not suit you so well

    http://www.humanism.org.uk/humanism


    nahh humanism isnt really my thing...i do believe there is some sort of a "higher power" just dont know what that exactly is

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #36 - December 06, 2010, 05:08 PM

    i dont get it lol....its another part of christianity right?...but it doesnt say anything about jesus..and isnt that like the core belief of christanity?? that jesus was crucified??(which is something i dont believe in)


    They started out as Christians who denied the Trinity and believed in universal salvation for all people (keep in mind that the trinity doctrine didn't become standard Christian dogma until the late 4th century), now they are commonly referred to as post-Christian. Basically they believe in the existence of God and believe truths can be found about God in all religion, but that no one religious doctrine has a monopoly on understanding God.

    so its like a different sect of christianity that is more liberal?


    If you'd like to be a liberal Christian, this is probably the most liberal major Christian church in North America--

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ

    fuck you
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #37 - December 06, 2010, 05:08 PM

    king tut...still reading about it...but a part of me just wants to give up right now... im getting tired of trying to find "the right religion".... blahh im in a weird mood today mysmilie_977

    Thats the thing - if there were a right religion then I am sure there wouldnt be so much confusion on this earth about which one it is.  This in itself would lead me to the conclusion that without evidence nobody can possibly know, & agnosticism a more comfortable & honest way forward.  

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  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #38 - December 06, 2010, 05:09 PM

    Don't worry we have all felt like that, I did this for years, even kept going back to Islam, being a Sufi. Until I realized to I really need magical thinking or truth? and I decided to choose truth.


    yaa i tried being a sufi and it had actually worked for a while cuz they focus more on the spiritual part rather than the strict rules u gotta follow...it was more lax but still didnt like it so i quit that too:p

    i guess a lame reason as to why i wanna find a religion i fit into is cuz when someone asks me what are ya i dont wanna say i dont know...i wanna be able to say something proudly like i once did with islam(yes i know thats not a reason for wanting to find a religion but thats what im working with here lol)


    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #39 - December 06, 2010, 05:11 PM

    nahh humanism isnt really my thing...i do believe there is some sort of a "higher power" just dont know what that exactly is

    have you heard of pantheism - god being the force of nature? 

    Does this higher power that you believe in intervene in our affairs i.e. do you believe in a personal God?

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  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #40 - December 06, 2010, 05:12 PM

    Yay, more Somali murtads!

    I'm Isaaq but the taboo regarding apostacy still lies Somali culture, regardless of clan/tribe/subclan. Welcome!
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #41 - December 06, 2010, 05:12 PM

    They started out as Christians who denied the Trinity and believed in universal salvation for all people (keep in mind that the trinity doctrine didn't become standard Christian dogma until the late 4th century), now they are commonly referred to as post-Christian. Basically they believe in the existence of God and believe truths can be found about God in all religion, but that no one religious doctrine has a monopoly on understanding God.

    If you'd like to be a liberal Christian, this is probably the most liberal major Christian church in North America--

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ


    hmmm....ive put it on my tab so will look into it when i get the chance:)

    Thanx for letting me know about them though...when i was looking christianity i didnt know where to start lol cuz there were soo many different "christian faiths"

    funnily enough judaism is the only one i havent considered and not really interested in even though i know nothing about that faith wacko

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #42 - December 06, 2010, 05:14 PM

    have you heard of pantheism - god being the force of nature? 

    Does this higher power that you believe in intervene in our affairs i.e. do you believe in a personal God?


    im not sure....i used to like the idea of praying to god when your troubles are great...and him being there to answer your prayers

    however...life and experience showed me that he in fact doesnt always answer it

    ive never heard of pantheism though lol...i feel like a kid not knowing about all these different religions:p

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #43 - December 06, 2010, 05:15 PM

    Yay, more Somali murtads!

    I'm Isaaq but the taboo regarding apostacy still lies Somali culture, regardless of clan/tribe/subclan. Welcome!


    lol another isaaq on here:p

    im haweiya...although im not really into the whole clan thing...and i think its stupid when parents say you cant marry so and so cuz they aint your qabil...like wtf?

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #44 - December 06, 2010, 05:17 PM


    Hi Nessa, welcome to the abode of apostate traitorous Uncle Tom scumbag kuffars  Afro


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #45 - December 06, 2010, 05:18 PM

    LOOOL.....why thank you for that warm welcome Billy Cheesy

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #46 - December 06, 2010, 05:19 PM

    i've always despised the clan culture, though i've sworn i will never marry a somali muslim woman so it's ok i suppose. generally murtads won't really care about that as to most somalis, being muslim is a PART of being somali. i get called ethiopian all the time for being a kaafir :/
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #47 - December 06, 2010, 05:19 PM

    pantheism is not a religion, its more about your position - see it as next down on the scale from deism i.e. theist,  agnostic, deist, pantheist, atheist

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  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #48 - December 06, 2010, 05:20 PM

    Hello. Smiley

    Can I ask if you accept evolution, and what sort of traits do you think God might have?
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #49 - December 06, 2010, 05:21 PM

    Hey Everyone!

    I was on google searching different topics pertaining to islam and christianity and stumbled upon this forum

    ive been reading some threads and im surprised to know theres so many ex muslims out there!

    Im not sure what i consider myself...ive been seriously struggling with islam for a very long time and dont really consider myself a "muslim"...however i do believe there is a god out there my only struggle is finding a god i believe in which is proving difficult

    recently ive started looking into christanity...but seriously its soo confusing i dont even know where to start:S

    plus theres sooo many different sects within christanity that finding the one that i fit in the most is proving hard

    its all a strange but exciting path im on and will see where i end up lol

    btw family does NOT know...i live in canada in a area that is like 90% muslim and all my friends are muslim...family is strict muslim also...my brother being a quran teacher and coming from a generation of Mu'allims so ya its difficult for me...i dont ever plan on telling them..lol ill take this to my grave cuz if anyone in my family ever found out id be an outcast...disowned and would fear for my life

    btw im somali so ya for all u somali people u know how hard it is wacko




    Welcome Nessa!  You will find MANY kindred souls here, in the same or similar situations
    as you (ex muslims living in a household or country where they have to keep their
    apostasy a secret)  

    I has been a very fundamental christian for many years, and got sick of the hypocrisy
    and floated over to Islam, until ugly truths also reared their ugly heads :(  

    Its a scary feeling to even WONDER if the abrahamic god even exists, and I was
    just having a conversation about that with a friend.  Those who are so sincere,
    seeking and searching for truth to nurture our souls, only to find out, it doesn't
    even exist.  

    Anyway, welcome, and I sincerely hope you find much solace, a place where its
    safe to vent and scream, and A LOT of support from others in your situation.
     far away hug

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #50 - December 06, 2010, 05:22 PM

    i've always despised the clan culture, though i've sworn i will never marry a somali muslim woman so it's ok i suppose. generally murtads won't really care about that as to most somalis, being muslim is a PART of being somali. i get called ethiopian all the time for being a kaafir :/


    lol i always used to say to myself i wouldnt marry a somali guy:p

    partly cuz ive seen wayyy too many scumbags in our culture

    lol @ being called ethiopian.....apperently anyone who doesnt agree with them is an ethiopian trying to mess things up....you cant be a somali christian, homosexual, atheist without being called an ethiopian

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #51 - December 06, 2010, 05:24 PM

    pantheism is not a religion, its more about your position - see it as next down on the scale from deism i.e. theist,  agnostic, deist, pantheist, atheist


    lol im getting confused with all these isms

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #52 - December 06, 2010, 05:26 PM

    Welcome Nessa!  You will find MANY kindred souls here, in the same or similar situations
    as you (ex muslims living in a household or country where they have to keep their
    apostasy a secret)  

    I has been a very fundamental christian for many years, and got sick of the hypocrisy
    and floated over to Islam, until ugly truths also reared their ugly heads :(  

    Its a scary feeling to even WONDER if the abrahamic god even exists, and I was
    just having a conversation about that with a friend.  Those who are so sincere,
    seeking and searching for truth to nurture our souls, only to find out, it doesn't
    even exist.  

    Anyway, welcome, and I sincerely hope you find much solace, a place where its
    safe to vent and scream, and A LOT of support from others in your situation.
     far away hug



    i guess thats one of my fears...that im searching for nothing? i dont wanna waste my life away searching for something that might or might not be there

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #53 - December 06, 2010, 05:28 PM

    Hello. Smiley

    Can I ask if you accept evolution, and what sort of traits do you think God might have?

    Does he, or does he not, listen to prayers - thats a big one.

    Let me bias the question, by asking you whether you believe the vast majority of non-believers in Denmark have as much chance of fortune than somebody in Somalia, Pakistan & Bangladesh (where prayer is rife - belief in God currently stands at 99%!)


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  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #54 - December 06, 2010, 05:28 PM

    Hello. Smiley

    Can I ask if you accept evolution, and what sort of traits do you think God might have?


    hmmm...i was just discussing with others in chat about evolution...its a hard concept for me to grasp..i dont beleive in it although there were good points made by a user on chat(sorry forgot the name!)

    ive always believed god is the super power...he created us all for us to worship him

    but that faith in god is slowly diminishing unfortunately and now im not sure what exactly it is i beleive

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #55 - December 06, 2010, 05:30 PM

    Does he, or does he not, listen to prayers - thats a big one.

    Let me bias the question, by asking you whether you believe the vast majority of non-believers in Denmark have as much chance of fortune than somebody in Somalia, Pakistan & Bangladesh (where prayer is rife - belief in God currently stands at 99%!)




    i remember in islamic school i asked one of my teachers why when we make dua to god he doesnt answer our prayers..and she told me that he has answered it in other ways...i remember being totally confused by her and thinking to myself what a load of crap...were told to ask for prayers... dua is the weapon of the beleivers is a quote used alot in islam...but whats the point in making dua when it doesnt get answered?

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #56 - December 06, 2010, 05:36 PM

    The muslim will respond: "its a test" or "subhanallah, stay faithful" or some nonsense
    as such.  The christian will also respond: "Its a test" or "praise god, stay faithful"

    that is the best you are going to get from people who lead you to believe they
    know more about their religion, but in their hearts, they don't have a clue, either.

    yes, it is scary, but you have made the first step, a brave one I might add, to
    honestly ask these questions without fear of repercussions.  So again, you have
    come to the right place Smiley  I suppose right now I fit between "pantheism and
    atheism" but I hate labels.  Im just out there right now, taking a "break" from
    ALL religion LOL.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #57 - December 06, 2010, 05:38 PM

    hmmm...i was just discussing with others in chat about evolution...its a hard concept for me to grasp..i dont beleive in it although there were good points made by a user on chat(sorry forgot the name!)

    ive always believed god is the super power...he created us all for us to worship him

    but that faith in god is slowly diminishing unfortunately and now im not sure what exactly it is i beleive

    Then why dont you just call yourself an agnostic?  Its sounds to me like you are looking for certainty, and if i am being honest then thats something you will probably never realise.  

    Whats wrong with just simply being a good person without a religion, and if God & heaven exist, then believing you will get there?  btw thats pretty much how I see things.

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  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #58 - December 06, 2010, 05:40 PM

    Jinn and Tonic(interesting name btw lol) im really glad i found this forum, all these questions ive always wanted to ask but never knew how or where...i even thought of once just walking into a church and demanding to talk to someone lol but i chickened out of course

    井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
    (I no naka no kawazu taikai wo shirazu)
    A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
  • Re: Hi:)
     Reply #59 - December 06, 2010, 05:42 PM

    hmmm...i was just discussing with others in chat about evolution...its a hard concept for me to grasp..i dont beleive in it although there were good points made by a user on chat(sorry forgot the name!)

    ive always believed god is the super power...he created us all for us to worship him

    but that faith in god is slowly diminishing unfortunately and now im not sure what exactly it is i beleive


    I think once you undersatnd and accept evolution, you'll see that a lot of the traits you think God would have, cannot be, or at least are very probably not, a part of him. Smiley
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