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  • 18:86 View of Sunset or actual sunset
     OP - December 16, 2010, 02:27 PM
    I have quoted this in muslim social networking website:

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    Sahih International
    Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish or else adopt among them goodness."

    Muhsin Khan
    Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."

    YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

    PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

    SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.


    And the reply those people gave me was it is just a view of sunset from a beach. Can any Arabic speaker tell me if the verse can be viewed as "view of sunset" rather then actual sunset?
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  • Re: 18:86 View of Sunset or actual sunset
     Reply #1 - December 16, 2010, 02:54 PM
    Hadrat Hassan answered this in another thread:

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    The verse says "He reached the setting place of (possessive) the sun" بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ

    Not he reached it at Maghrib!

    On top of that it uses the verb "Taghrubu" = "to set" - and the subject of the verb is "The sun" then the preposition "in" It is clearly saying he reached the place where the sun sets in a muddy spring

    حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ

    The tafseer of Jalalayn says

    "حتى إذا بلغ مغرب الشمس" موضع غروبها "وجدها تغرب في عين حمئة" ذات حمأة وهي الطين الأسود

    "Until he reached the setting place of the sun" means the place it sets -  "He found it setting in a muddy spring" - That means 'having mud' and that means 'black mud'

    The best one can do with this verse is say it is metaphorical.


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    If it meant he reached there at the "time" of of the setting sun then it would have to say something like:

    حتى إذا بلغ ارضا وقت غروب الشمس

    "Until he reached a land at the time of the setting of the sun."

    Or

    حتى إذا بلغ ارضا عند غروب الشمس

    "Until he reached a land at the setting of the sun."


    As the verse actually stands:

    حتى إذا بلغ مغرب الشمس

    "Until he reached the place where the sun sets"

    It simply can't possibly mean he reached there at the time of the setting sun since the verb reached would have to have take another object - like "land" - as in my example and then a qualification showing it meant at the time of such as; time وقت or a preposition like; at عند and it would have to say "setting" غروب and not "The place of setting" مغرب So it would say: عند غروب الشمس


    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9871.0
  • Re: 18:86 View of Sunset or actual sunset
     Reply #2 - December 16, 2010, 03:05 PM
    Thank you Zebede
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