You mean it's rightfully theirs cause their ancestors fled thousands of years ago? Um, no.
Dito.
I wasn't defending a particular pov, merely stating it.
However is that particular claim in principle that much different from the claim Palestinians are making. That the land is theirs because they were driven out by an invading army 40-60 years ago? Again I am not defending anything merely stating that the principal division here is time.
Furthermore, Palestinians aren't exactly pure Arabs. Many (if not most) of them had ancestors that occupied the Levant at the same time the Jews did-- hell, some of the ancestors of modern-day Palestinians were likely Israelites/Jews themselves.
I do know that. Quite ironic don't you think.
Many did convert to Christianity then later to Islam. Why should the descendants of those who didn't convert and fled get precedence over the land from the descendants of those who converted and stayed?
They shouldn't. See above.
But this "who came first" stuff doesn't cut much with me. It's much more relevant to discuss an injustice that's a little over 60 years old and ongoing than one that happened many, many centuries ago.
Dito.
However if you employ a universal outlook on the very creation of the state of Israel you will notice that pretty much all nation-states that ever existed came into their very existence employing the same means Israel did. Illegitimately by the means of a founding crime on which their state power is based. This founding crimes are usually obfuscated by heroic narratives that are sold to the people in an attempt to hide their illegitimate origins.
If there is something I respect when it comes to Israel its the lack of this bullshit narrative(until relatively recent Israeli attempts at self-legitimization that is).
Check out this speech by Moshe Dayan(Eulogy for Roi Rutenberg) on April 19, 1956:
Early yesterday morning Roi was murdered. The quiet of the spring morning dazzled him and he did not see those waiting in ambush for him, at the edge of the furrow.
Let us not cast the blame on the murderers today. Why should we declare their burning hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we have been transforming the lands and the villages, where they and their fathers dwelt, into our estate.
It is not among the Arabs in Gaza, but in our own midst that we must seek Roi's blood. How did we shut our eyes and refuse to look squarely at our fate, and see, in all its brutality, the destiny of our generation? Have we forgotten that this group of young people dwelling at Nahal Oz is bearing the heavy gates of Gaza on its shoulders?
He openly admits (and so did Ben Gurion) that they have no right to the land of Palestine, that it was just a matter of their brute force against the force of Palestinians; there is no principles or justice here - just like what happened with most nation states throughout the history.
Topic: When you were a Muslim did you hate the Jews ???