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Topic: Hamza Yusuf and Hakim Murad type of "intellectual" Islam

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- Logical_Mind44
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Hamza Yusuf and Hakim Murad type of "intellectual" Islam
OP - December 20, 2010, 10:40 PM

If all Muslims were like these gentlemen, I perhaps could respect Islam. But do they in anyway represent what Islam really is like as a religion? Or are they intelligent and good natured men who just happen to follow Islam as their religion as afew isolated individuals?
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Reply #1 - December 20, 2010, 11:04 PM

When I wanted to learn about Islam and shariah law I watched a video of hamza yusuf and was quite surprised. I think they represent the intellectual side of Islam even some 'islamists' I know who despise hamza yusuf's political views like supporting bush after 9/11 but respect him in terms of his works regarding explaining shariah law etc.
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Reply #2 - December 20, 2010, 11:26 PM

Both of them, particularly Timothy Winter, tend towards Sufism, so they can't be the most dry, dogmatic Islamist types. They represent an Islam that's merged with Western values, so I'd say that they both represent mainstream Islam, as well as Westernized Islam. But what do I know. I've heard some pretty crazy things from Hamza Yusuf that you could hear from any dim-wit Islamist.
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Reply #3 - December 21, 2010, 12:01 AM

Who was it on here that said Hamza Yusuf used to make foaming-at-the-mouth speeches about the dajjal and other lunatic shite?

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
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Reply #4 - December 21, 2010, 12:02 AM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 20, 2010, 11:04 PM
but respect him in terms of his works regarding explaining shariah law etc.

Why?

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
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Reply #5 - December 21, 2010, 12:10 AM

Quote from: billy on December 21, 2010, 12:01 AM
Who was it on here that said Hamza Yusuf used to make foaming-at-the-mouth speeches about the dajjal and other lunatic shite?

LOL he did!

He's on to the Secularists!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akf-QqFI7_0

One of his rather verbose lectures on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZm01kQgwI4
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Reply #6 - December 21, 2010, 12:13 AM

All of this is, of course, vaguely ironic given the ideological imperialism that's so inextricable from Islam. Nevermind the fact that it also seeks to supplant all rival systems with theocratic totalitarianism. Hm, universal secularism or universal despotic theocracy, which would I choose?
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Reply #7 - December 21, 2010, 12:22 AM

Another moderate explainer of sharia turns out to be batshit insane lunatic

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
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Reply #8 - December 21, 2010, 12:40 AM

Quote from: billy on December 21, 2010, 12:02 AM
Why?

Why do you think? dawah!!!
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Reply #9 - December 21, 2010, 12:44 AM

I used to like Hamza Yusuf alot when i was a moderate muslim

he wasnt so extreme in his ways and i think thats wat appealed to me so much

井の中の蛙大海を知らず。
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A frog in a well does not know the great sea.
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Reply #10 - December 21, 2010, 12:54 AM

Quote from: XxThaminaxX on December 21, 2010, 12:40 AM
Why do you think? dawah!!!

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
God is Love.
Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.
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